War arc Guy and kakashi vs Kisame and itachi

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Kakashi and guy medium difficulty. Kisame gets stomped by the 6'th gate. Then helps kakashi with itachi if necessary.
Gai needed the 6th Gate to defeat a 30 percent Kisame clone :|

Gai also needed to go straight to the 7th Gate to defeat Kisame after he fought Killer Bee and Gai also had Naruto, Killer Bee, and Yamato there to assist him. Not to mention Kisame was already highly drained both in the stamina and chakra department and tanked a Hirudora (highest seventh gate technique) and could still talk and move with ease. A fully prime Kisame isn't being beat by anything short of the Death Gate, which happens to be restricted.

We all know how Itachi and Kakashi's fight goes down.

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Gai needed the 6th Gate to defeat a 30 percent Kisame clone :|

Gai also needed to go straight to the 7th Gate to defeat Kisame after he fought Killer Bee and Gai also had Naruto, Killer Bee, and Yamato there to assist him. Not to mention Kisame was already highly drained both in the stamina and chakra department and tanked a Hirudora (highest seventh gate technique) and could still talk and move with ease. A fully prime Kisame isn't being beat by anything short of the Death Gate, which happens to be restricted.

We all know how Itachi and Kakashi's fight goes down.

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False. Guy didn't need to use the sixth gate. He simply wanted to end it quickly. Kisame didn't fight naruto he ran from him. Kisame didn't fight bee he absorbed his chakra and again ran from him. The only reason kisame was living after hirudora was guy's orders. Capture, not kill. Kisame couldn't (still can't)react to asakujaku and since it's not ninjutsu he can't absorb it.

And we already know how kakashi one shots itachi.
 

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Gai needed the 6th Gate to defeat a 30 percent Kisame clone :|

Gai also needed to go straight to the 7th Gate to defeat Kisame after he fought Killer Bee and Gai also had Naruto, Killer Bee, and Yamato there to assist him. Not to mention Kisame was already highly drained both in the stamina and chakra department and tanked a Hirudora (highest seventh gate technique) and could still talk and move with ease. A fully prime Kisame isn't being beat by anything short of the Death Gate, which happens to be restricted.

We all know how Itachi and Kakashi's fight goes down.

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i must agree, and its not set in stone that the match is Gai vs Kisame & Kakashi vs. Itachi it could easily be: Kakashi vs. Kisame & Gai vs. Itachi
 

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False. Guy didn't need to use the sixth gate. He simply wanted to end it quickly. Kisame didn't fight naruto he ran from him. Kisame didn't fight bee he absorbed his chakra and again ran from him. The only reason kisame was living after hirudora was guy's orders. Capture, not kill. Kisame couldn't (still can't)react to asakujaku and since it's not ninjutsu he can't absorb it.

And we already know how kakashi one shots itachi.
Kakashi one-shots Itachi? Lel, give me what you're smoking.

Gai was DROWNING and all of his students were DYING. Did you even read the chapter? He was forced to use the Sixth Gate in that scenario.

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"He simply wanted to end it quickly," bullshit.

That's Gai using the Sixth Gate against a 30 percent Kisame clone. After this, Gai awakened the Seventh Gate because he knew that since this was the real Kisame and he needed to awaken the Sixth Gate just to (barely) beat Kisame at 30 percent in the past, he would stand no chance using the same gate then. Even though Kisame was visibly weakened, Gai had to use the Seventh Gate's strongest technique just to "end the battle quickly," as you like to say. If his strongest 7th Gated technique barely worked against a highly already-weakened Kisame, nothing else he tries in the 7th Gate is going to work against a fully replenished Kisame.
 
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Kakashi one-shots Itachi? Lel, give me what you're smoking.

Gai was DROWNING and all of his students were DYING. Did you even read the chapter? He was forced to use the Sixth Gate in that scenario.

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"He simply wanted to end it quickly," bullshit.

That's Gai using the Sixth Gate against a 30 percent Kisame clone. After this, Gai awakened the Seventh Gate because he knew that since this was the real Kisame and he needed to awaken the Sixth Gate just to (barely) beat Kisame at 30 percent in the past, he would stand no chance using the same gate then. Even though Kisame was visibly weakened, Gai had to use the Seventh Gate's strongest technique just to "end the battle quickly," as you like to say. If his strongest 7th Gated technique barely worked against a highly already-weakened Kisame, nothing else he tries in the 7th Gate is going to work against a fully replenished Kisame.
Lmao you're assuming things here my friend
-Since when does having less chakra improve your reactions? Kisame couldn't react to Gai in the 6th gate. He was too fast.
-@ bold What????? Gai never ever opened the 7th gate because of what you said. That's an assumption read this. He had to widen his scope with hirudora. Not to mention his aim was to get the scroll and get Kisame for intel. Gai could have killed him here easily. Gai already beat him with the 6th gate.

Prove Kisame was weakened? No he wasn't

Kisame even had the advantage if anything
 

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Kakashi one-shots Itachi? Lel, give me what you're smoking.

Gai was DROWNING and all of his students were DYING. Did you even read the chapter? He was forced to use the Sixth Gate in that scenario.

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"He simply wanted to end it quickly," bullshit.

That's Gai using the Sixth Gate against a 30 percent Kisame clone. After this, Gai awakened the Seventh Gate because he knew that since this was the real Kisame and he needed to awaken the Sixth Gate just to (barely) beat Kisame at 30 percent in the past, he would stand no chance using the same gate then. Even though Kisame was visibly weakened, Gai had to use the Seventh Gate's strongest technique just to "end the battle quickly," as you like to say. If his strongest 7th Gated technique barely worked against a highly already-weakened Kisame, nothing else he tries in the 7th Gate is going to work against a fully replenished Kisame.
Stop talking out your ass the moment the sixth gate came out everyone knew it was over. Guy wasn't drowning and neji broke everyone out of the water prison.

Guy had 0 knowledge on how strong the clone was. So comparisons like

"After this, Gai awakened the Seventh Gate because he knew that since this was the real Kisame and he needed to awaken the Sixth Gate just to (barely) beat Kisame at 30 percent in the past, he would stand no chance using the same gate then"

can't be made. All this talk doesn't change the fact that kisame gets murdered by asakujaku, since the durability and reaction time remained the same, and the only thing effected during that special clone tech is chakra levels.


Yes kamui 1 shots itachi.
 

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Lmao you're assuming things here my friend
-Since when does having less chakra improve your reactions? Kisame couldn't react to Gai in the 6th gate. He was too fast.
-@ bold What????? Gai never ever opened the 7th gate because of what you said. That's an assumption read this. He had to widen his scope with hirudora. Not to mention his aim was to get the scroll and get Kisame for intel. Gai could have killed him here easily. Gai already beat him with the 6th gate.

Prove Kisame was weakened? No he wasn't

Kisame even had the advantage if anything
- Doesn't matter. Kisame was only there to delay him not kill.
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In this situation he's going for the kill, so how he battles is going to be completely different. He'll actually be trying and therefore his reaction speed will be much different.
- Sure, maybe it is, but the fact that Gai unleashed his strongest 7th Gate tech that was tanked by a weakened Kisame allows us to infer that a fully healed Kisame should be able to tank whatever Gai throws at him.
- He had the advantage in terms of terrain, not chakra, stamina, or health; he just got out of a fight with the Hachibi and its Jinchuuriki. You all seem to forget that his stamina is HIGHLY INCREASED when he merges with Samehada. Gai's strongest techniques (excluding the 8th Gate, which is already restricted) wouldn't even put a dent at him when he merges into Samehada. If an-already weakened Kisame could tank Hirudora, just imagine what a fully-healed, Samehada-merged Kisame could tank from Gai. Taijutsu attacks won't even work on him at this point.

Besides, who says Kisame is going to be fighting Gai? He can easily be fighting Kakashi, and all Kakashi has is Kamui, which is easily misfired when Kisame can easily create an ocean in a second and overwhelm Kakashi, not to mention Kakashi rarely uses Kamui in the beginning of a fight, whereas Kisame almost always uses large-scale Suitons as fast as possible.
 

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Stop the argument... gai opens the 8th gate and solos Itachi and Kisame both.... And Kakashi remains alive to claim the win.
8th Gate is restricted. I just don't think Gai can beat Kisame when he already tanked his strongest 7th Gate technique while already weakened. Here Kisame will be fully healed and prepared, and once Kisame merges with Samehada, there's no way Gai's attacks are doing anything. I'm pretty willing to change my mind, though. Not really debating for either side, but since everyone jumped on team one, I'm going to team two to point out things some people might be missing. That's all. People need to calm down. Yes, I'm looking at you Benjamin <_<
Stop talking out your ass
 
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Kakashi and Gai high diff. There would be so many clone feints in this match it's not even funny Lol. Kisame actually seems like he's restricted when he's given a partner, his arsenal could potentially hurt Itachi as well depending on how he fights.
 

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8th Gate is restricted. I just don't think Gai can beat Kisame when he already tanked his strongest 7th Gate technique while already weakened. Here Kisame will be fully healed and prepared, and once Kisame merges with Samehada, there's no way Gai's attacks are doing anything. I'm pretty willing to change my mind, though. Not really debating for either side, but since everyone jumped on team one, I'm going to team two to point out things some people might be missing. That's all. People need to calm down. Yes, I'm looking at you Benjamin <_<
Either way hirudora takes out kisame... He can't dodge it or stop it and if he's still alive after guy just goes by him and takes him out.. And itachi clearly won't catch kakashi in tsukuyomi as I doubt he'll fall for the same thing twice and was arc kakashi has at least about 5-8 kamui before naruto gave him chakra. so he can stop a lot of itachis arsenal..

And actually I think sixth gate guy might be able to take kisame down... Kisame has no water advantage like he had in previous fights so it would be harder for him to make his suiton techniques and guy knows how's strong kisame is so what's stopping him from going six gates from the get go and just blitz him
 

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- Doesn't matter. Kisame was only there to delay him not kill.
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In this situation he's going for the kill, so how he battles is going to be completely different. He'll actually be trying and therefore his reaction speed will be much different.
So he was there to get killed? Lol because Itachi says delay means Kisame didn't want to kill him? That's false. Here Obito says Jiraiya managed to delay Pain. Does that mean Jiraiya didn't want to kill him?

- Sure, maybe it is, but the fact that Gai unleashed his strongest 7th Gate tech that was tanked by a weakened Kisame allows us to infer that a fully healed Kisame should be able to tank whatever Gai throws at him.
-Didn't want to kill him but get him for intel.
- Unleashed it underwater and it went through GSB. Mind you Kisame even said Hirudora deflated. The thing is whether it deflated or not, it was able to put Kisame down and Gai could have killed him easily after that.
-Wasn't fully healed? there's no proof. I showed you a scan of him absorbing chakra and converting it into stamina for himself.

- He had the advantage in terms of terrain, not chakra, stamina, or health; he just got out of a fight with the Hachibi and its Jinchuuriki. You all seem to forget that his stamina is HIGHLY INCREASED when he merges with Samehada. Gai's strongest techniques (excluding the 8th Gate, which is already restricted) wouldn't even put a dent at him when he merges into Samehada. If an-already weakened Kisame could tank Hirudora, just imagine what a fully-healed, Samehada-merged Kisame could tank from Gai. Taijutsu attacks won't even work on him at this point.
Kisame fought Hachibi days before that. Not to mention Zetsu took over and Kisame already had the stamina and chakra he stole before Gai.
Kisame had the advantage. That's all. Gai was at disadvantage. Kisame had enough chakra as seen where he stole from B and Aoba(or the other ninja) Nothing suggest he didn't have enough chakra. Not when he was using large scale justsu like feeding sharks and GSB. Nothing would change tbh.
Lol No. Samehada won't change anything. Look Samehada steals chakra and then transforms it into stamina. There's no chakra to steal from Gai as he's just a bad matchup. What surrounds him is sweat not chakra unlike B. Kisame wouldn't have any chakra to absorb from his techniques or he himself unless Kisame can touch Gai like here . That won't happen anyways as Gai would destroy him in a CQC fight and the Gates would make up for that as it forcibly releases restraints on chakra as seen with Lee when he had nothing at all.
Hirudora would knock him down. If he doesn't die, Gai would kill him like he could after that.
Besides, who says Kisame is going to be fighting Gai? He can easily be fighting Kakashi, and all Kakashi has is Kamui, which is easily misfired when Kisame can easily create an ocean in a second and overwhelm Kakashi, not to mention Kakashi rarely uses Kamui in the beginning of a fight, whereas Kisame almost always uses large-scale Suitons as fast as possible.
Well Kisame and Kakashi would be a different story. I don't know that goes down.
 

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So he was there to get killed? Lol because Itachi says delay means Kisame didn't want to kill him? That's false. Here Obito says Jiraiya managed to delay Pain. Does that mean Jiraiya didn't want to kill him?


-Didn't want to kill him but get him for intel.
- Unleashed it underwater and it went through GSB. Mind you Kisame even said Hirudora deflated. The thing is whether it deflated or not, it was able to put Kisame down and Gai could have killed him easily after that.
-Wasn't fully healed? there's no proof. I showed you a scan of him absorbing chakra and converting it into stamina for himself.


Kisame fought Hachibi days before that. Not to mention Zetsu took over and Kisame already had the stamina and chakra he stole before Gai.
Kisame had the advantage. That's all. Gai was at disadvantage. Kisame had enough chakra as seen where he stole from B and Aoba(or the other ninja) Nothing suggest he didn't have enough chakra. Not when he was using large scale justsu like feeding sharks and GSB. Nothing would change tbh.
Lol No. Samehada won't change anything. Look Samehada steals chakra and then transforms it into stamina. There's no chakra to steal from Gai as he's just a bad matchup. What surrounds him is sweat not chakra unlike B. Kisame wouldn't have any chakra to absorb from his techniques or he himself unless Kisame can touch Gai like here . That won't happen anyways as Gai would destroy him in a CQC fight and the Gates would make up for that as it forcibly releases restraints on chakra as seen with Lee when he had nothing at all.
Hirudora would knock him down. If he doesn't die, Gai would kill him like he could after that.


Well Kisame and Kakashi would be a different story. I don't know that goes down.
- Kisame didn't die. It was a clone.
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- Still doesn't change the fact that he tanked his strongest 7th Gated attack.

- No where does it say the unleashes Hirudora dehabilitates its power. It being fired underwater changes nothing. Hirudora didn't kill him, which is quite sad, seeing as how Kisame was already at the weakest point of his life prior to making impact with Hirudora. He'll suffer from no such restraints in this battle.

- His chakra is stated to be around three times the likes of Naruto.
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Absorbing a feeble amount of chakra from Bee (who has less chakra than Naruto) isn't going to replenish someone who has over triple the amount of chakra.

- He left the battle that occurred days before in a condition where he possessed low chakra reserves and remained that way. I addressed his chakra concerns above.

- Samehada can change alot in this battle. Kisame possessing thirty percent of his original chakra was stated to be equal to Naruto (who houses Kurama). Kisame can have Samehada take 1/3 of his chakra and convert it to stamina to consistently heal Kisame whenever the need arises. When he does this, not only will he be healed, but he'll still have Bijuu-level chakra reserves to fight with. Btw, just because Gai doesn't use Ninjutsu doesn't mean he doesn't possess chakra; Samehada can still steal Gai's chakra if need be.

- You just said Kisame won't be able to touch Gai with Samehada to steal chakra but show me a scan of Samehada hitting him in the same sentence. What?

- Hirudora would knock him down? Well, yes, obviously, lol. But seeing as how a weakened Kisame was able to talk and move after being hit by Hirudora, I'm sure a fully-healed, fully-Samehada-merged Kisame would be able to move away from him after he's hit. Besides, this is when Samehada's skill comes into play. When merged, he'll, like I said above, take Kisame's own chakra and heal him by converting it to stamina. Hirudora can't do shit at that point.

- I think it would be an interesting fight.
 

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Guy and Kakashi win quite handily. Nothing in the Akatsuki pair's arsenal is as fast as Kamui, not even Amaterasu. This means Kakashi can potentially use it to take the flames off himself or Guy if either of them happened to be hit in an area within Kakashi's field of vision. Which is unlikely in Guy's case, as he proved to be faster than truth-seeking balls (which are faster than Kamui) in the 5th Gate. 6th Gate and up he becomes too fast to track for the pair. Thus, he takes out Kisame with Asa Kujaku (seeing that Kisame is not juiced up on Bee's chakra and fighting on a lake, which means his large scale Suitons will take more time to come out) and helps Kakashi take out Itachi, in the event Itachi hasn't fallen to Kamui yet.
Pretty sure that Itachi's Amaterasu is faster than , that was slower than a Kunai throw, Gaara's Sabaku Taisō (started forming it mid-way and worked) and Madara's Taijutsu that not did only beat Minato, but also cost his arm. So unless you believe that while Itachi shoots his Amaterasu, this all can happen before it even lands, I won't bother further. Not to mention... , lml. Kakashi can't also use it from short-range, so it only may work if he's at short, but Itachi can always kill him with a simple Shunshin or place them both in Genjutsu...​
 

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Pretty sure that Itachi's Amaterasu is faster than , that was slower than a Kunai throw, Gaara's Sabaku Taisō (started forming it mid-way and worked) and Madara's Taijutsu that not did only beat Minato, but also cost his arm. So unless you believe that while Itachi shoots his Amaterasu, this all can happen before it even lands, I won't bother further. Not to mention... , lml. Kakashi can't also use it from short-range, so it only may work if he's at short, but Itachi can always kill him with a simple Shunshin or place them both in Genjutsu...
Kakashi clearly slowed his Kamui down. If he acted before Gaara or Minato, then the plan would be screwed. We've already seen the height of its speed, where the Gedo Mazo lost an arm despite it being instantaneously transported the moment the barrier appeared on it. [ ] [X]

So no, Kamui is much faster than Amaterasu. Not surprised considering its a Space Time injutsu.

Lol? Itachi kill Kakashi with a simple Shunshin? What are you smoking? Not only is Itachi not fast enough to blitz Kakashi, the latter can teleport via Kamui. He isn't getting blitzed here, not now, not ever. And Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi isn't going to work on Kakashi, as per manga canon, and Gai's fighting style allows him to evade Sharingan Genjutsu.

If Itachi ends up fighting the two of them by himself, he gets stomped low difficulty.
 

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Kakashi clearly slowed his Kamui down. If he acted before Gaara or Minato, then the plan would be screwed. We've already seen the height of its speed, where the Gedo Mazo lost an arm despite it being instantaneously transported the moment the barrier appeared on it. [ ] [X]

So no, Kamui is much faster than Amaterasu. Not surprised considering its a Space Time injutsu.

Lol? Itachi kill Kakashi with a simple Shunshin? What are you smoking? Not only is Itachi not fast enough to blitz Kakashi, the latter can teleport via Kamui. He isn't getting blitzed here, not now, not ever. And Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi isn't going to work on Kakashi, as per manga canon, and Gai's fighting style allows him to evade Sharingan Genjutsu.

If Itachi ends up fighting the two of them by himself, he gets stomped low difficulty.
Instantaneously? Very. Minato even managed to question it and instruct Kakashi on the matter, while there was nothing to compare to when Kakashi was warping it... heightening speed? Can you show scans of Kakashi being able to do so, because firstly, I don't see why the plan would be screwed, and secondly, I can hardly imagine Kakashi being able to manipulate the execution speed of the Kamui. But if you can prove that with scans, I might shut up.

Surprisingly, Shunshin is an extremely well method to end the fight before it even starts... people still doubt it, for what reason? I wonder.

Not only Kakashi has been trapped in Genjutsu before, he also has no counter to Finger Genjutsu.​
 

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8th Gate is restricted. I just don't think Gai can beat Kisame when he already tanked his strongest 7th Gate technique while already weakened. Here Kisame will be fully healed and prepared, and once Kisame merges with Samehada, there's no way Gai's attacks are doing anything. I'm pretty willing to change my mind, though. Not really debating for either side, but since everyone jumped on team one, I'm going to team two to point out things some people might be missing. That's all. People need to calm down. Yes, I'm looking at you Benjamin <_<
Holy eyes. When you say things like:

"Sure, maybe it is, but the fact that Gai unleashed his strongest 7th Gate tech that was tanked by a weakened Kisame allows us to infer that a fully healed Kisame should be able to tank whatever Gai throws at him. "
Despite:
A) guy was ordered to kill not capture
B)hirudora was shot from underwater
C)hirudora had to go through gsb before hitting kisame
D)kisame recovered completely prior to his final fight with guy

You're talking out your ass.
 
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