War Arc Gaara vs Itachi

[genii96]

Nagato's paths weren't connected to his optical nerve as he was only controlling them via chakra rods, so that's irrelevant. You're missing the point. "When Genjutsu can affect sand", how about no. Gaara shouldn't be able to possess the ability of vision through the utilization of sand and yet he does. Your thinking is limited. The eye is connected to his optic nerve which is why he is able to see and he is able to see with a Santon eye that's connected to his own eye and therefore brain so Genjutsu can affect him.​

nagato sees what his paths see,meaning there is a connection with his sense of sight and theirs,he controls them with chakra,chakra rods are just a medium,gaara connects the eye to his nerve with chakra too.
Lol @ bolded,he shouldnt be able to make a perfect replica of onoki down to his skin tone yet he can,this is a fictional manga where supernatural things occur lmao. It dosent matter what the eye is connected to,the eye is a fake copy made of sand,the medium through which sharingan genjutsu occurs is through the actual eye,hence direct eye contact is needed.
The medium through which itachi makes eye contact with gaara is through an eye made of sand,itachi cant genjutsu a sand eye,therefore he cant genjutsu gaara. If gaara actually plucked out his own eye and used it,then you would have a point.

 

[MickNerks]

That's actually not a counter to Amaterasu.

How isnt it? Amaterasu is not affecting gaara.

 

[Akasuna]

That's actually not a counter to Amaterasu.

Yes, it actually is.

 

[Apêx1]

Only because the Amatertasu's direct effects are countered, doesn't mean it can't make a neutral situation, become highly advantageous for Itachi.

 

[blazekev90]

That doesn't prove anything. Itachi has stated that anyone with Mangekyō can control the Kyūbi 1.​

Surrounding Itachi with sand is pointless. He would always break out with his Susano'O, and land a sneak hit with Amaterasu after he's gotten out. You also have forgotten that Itachi can monitor the entire battle the flow of his sand with Sharingan, and if he creates more and more. He'll be more cautious, and wouldn't be surprised.

The third eye is still susceptible to genjutsu; whether it's far away or very close doesn't matter as Itachi will track it down with Sharingan and Gaara is caught in genjutsu. And genjutsu is not close range, as it's never been stated so.

...

Why wouldn't he distinguish the clones?​

No, that wouldnt be an effective counter. Susnaoo would only weigh Itachi down. So, while it'll be good against being crush by sand coffin, he'd be vulnerable to this

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

In the process of trying to prevent being crushed, Susnaoo would sink. Even if Itachi tried to deactivate it to flee, he'd still be surrounded by sand.

Garra naturally counters Amaterasu. As we've witnessed, Garra causally covers his body with a small layer of sand

You must be registered for see links

Here we see Garra not only shield himself, but siblings as well. This strategy is more effective than sand dome because it requires less prep and could react faster to Amaterasu by simply expanding. Similarly to this

You must be registered for see links

but not as think. Sand being disposable allows Garra to do this continuously.

Correct, Itachi can monitor the sand by seeing the chakra Garra uses to wield the sand. However, this also gives Garra the advantage to perform shadow clones.

You must be registered for see links

Here Itachi wasn't able to 1) distinguish clone because 2) Kakashi concealed his location. Garra having his chakra spread around the entire battlefield would make it difficult for Itachi to trace whether or not Garra created a clone, by spotting the original. Ultimately possibly being fooled by a clone once again.

Third eye would literally be too far from the battlefield for Itachi to reach before Garra reached him.

 

[wael reda]

gara wins if he is aware to itachi’s genjutsu ,other than that, he can technically counter all itachi’s other techs

 

[Rιver]

No, that wouldnt be an effective counter. Susnaoo would only weigh Itachi down. So, while it'll be good against being crush by sand coffin, he'd be vulnerable to this

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

In the process of trying to prevent being crushed, Susnaoo would sink. Even if Itachi tried to deactivate it to flee, he'd still be surrounded by sand.

Garra naturally counters Amaterasu. As we've witnessed, Garra causally covers his body with a small layer of sand

You must be registered for see links

Here we see Garra not only shield himself, but siblings as well. This strategy is more effective than sand dome because it requires less prep and could react faster to Amaterasu by simply expanding. Similarly to this

You must be registered for see links

but not as think. Sand being disposable allows Garra to do this continuously.

Correct, Itachi can monitor the sand by seeing the chakra Garra uses to wield the sand. However, this also gives Garra the advantage to perform shadow clones.

You must be registered for see links

Here Itachi wasn't able to 1) distinguish clone because 2) Kakashi concealed his location. Garra having his chakra spread around the entire battlefield would make it difficult for Itachi to trace whether or not Garra created a clone, by spotting the original. Ultimately possibly being fooled by a clone once again.

Third eye would literally be too far from the battlefield for Itachi to reach before Garra reached him.

It doesn't actually sink the enemy that fast. The upper body of Susano'O would still be free and Itachi would be able to grab the ground with it's four arms and get out of it, if Sawarabi no Mae did. His sand is not strong enough to hold down Susano'O

You must be registered for see links

.

The thing is here: once he's hit with the Amaterasu, no matter what he must get rid of the sand. We all know that Itachi is exceptionally good with Shunshin, so what stops him from attacking him with speed and sealing him with his Totsuka no Tsurugi? Even if he can't do that, Itachi can replace himself with Kage Bunshin which Gaara will never differentiate from the original.

I can agree with this. But I think you mean sand clones, as Gaara can't do shadow clones. His village isn't specialized in Konohagakure's techniques, and he only uses sand based techniques.
​

 

[LustyLover]

Yes, it actually is.

How isnt it? Amaterasu is not affecting gaara.

No, it actually isn't. I'll requote myself.

Heavenly Illumination will easily break through Gaara's armor and go straight to his flesh. The black flames already tore through this amount of Gaara's sand almost instantly

You must be registered for see links

. This is more of an amount of sand that resides on his flesh, so if Amaterasu burned through that much it should have no problem burning through less. Itachi, using

You must be registered for see links

amount, one of a quantity even larger than Sasuke's, will instantly render his armor useless. Gaara's armor was already broken

You must be registered for see links

. Itachi penetrates his armor with utmost ease.​

 

[blazekev90]

It doesn't actually sink the enemy that fast. The upper body of Susano'O would still be free and Itachi would be able to grab the ground with it's four arms and get out of it, if Sawarabi no Mae did. His sand is not strong enough to hold down Susano'O

You must be registered for see links

.

The thing is here: once he's hit with the Amaterasu, no matter what he must get rid of the sand. We all know that Itachi is exceptionally good with Shunshin, so what stops him from attacking him with speed and sealing him with his Totsuka no Tsurugi? Even if he can't do that, Itachi can replace himself with Kage Bunshin which Gaara will never differentiate from the original.

I can agree with this. But I think you mean sand clones, as Gaara can't do shadow clones. His village isn't specialized in Konohagakure's techniques, and he only uses sand based techniques.
​

Sand sealing isn't equivalent to sand restraining. His sealing techniques have been overpowered by many, as the purpose of the jutsu isn't meant to prevent movement, it's purpose is simple a process of sealing which takes time. Onoki had to Muu in order for Garra to seal him

You must be registered for see links

To further illustrate the added pressure to this technique
Here Kimimaro had no problem withstanding and resisting both Garra's sand restraint and sand coffin.

You must be registered for see links

However, he was helpless as previously shown

You must be registered for see links

Overall, this technique pulls the body underground with the added pressure of the sand clinging to the victim. So, while the opponent isn't sinking at top speed their movements are completely restricted, starting from the bottom up. Your claim is that Susnaoo would somehow pull itself up. This is highly unlikely, as the surrounding environment that it would cling onto can too become sand, resulting in each arm than being pulled underground. In order to counter this Itachi would need to avoid being surrounded by sand completely, which is possible.


Itachi attempt to speed blitz and Garra removed Amaterasu? While that's doubtful, 1) it depends on whether he could reach Garra (airborne) and 2) whether he could see Garra. Garra having the ability to perform clones instantly upon covering his body AND having Shunshin ability, makes this reckless strategy

I said clones, don't think I stated specifically whether it was shadow or sand. Obviously it would be sand clones lol

 

[KazekageDaichi]

That's actually not a counter to Amaterasu.

You're clearly in denial...

 

[LustyLover]

You're clearly in denial...

Lol, and who are you? You haven't given me reason to believe Gaara can counter Amaterasu. Why should I say he does when nobody here has proven that he can?

Your location is Sunagakure, your username is Kazekage, and your signature is Gaara. I shouldn't even bother.

 

[Haizaki]

Gaara can win this. The arguments for him are pretty good.

 

[naruto7861]

Lol this thread is still being spammed lol itachi being compared to a fodder amaterasu in Gaara's face followed by totsKa gaara can't break susano and he can't get itachi out of susano cuzz he ain't going to get the timing and itachi isn't even going to be just sitting there what's saves gaara from tsukuyomi nonthing the eye is linked so stop with that bs gaara can't even read his hand signs he won't even know when a clown comes in contact with him and loses the real one then gets totsKa this is a stomp no curbstomp

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Lol, and who are you? You haven't given me reason to believe Gaara can counter Amaterasu. Why should I say he does when nobody here has proven that he can?

Your location is Sunagakure, your username is Kazekage, and your signature is Gaara. I shouldn't even bother.

Don't be a joke. Prejudging that way is just childish and idiotic. Of course I like Gaara. That makes all my arguments invalid? Well, you like a character whose screen time is non-existent, so you are probably frustrated by the fact that even Tenten is more well-known than him.- You see how stupid this turns out to be?
It has already been discussed how Gaara protects himself against Amaterasu thanks to the sand armour. Your argument is focused on the fact that Amaterasu has the power to break through it, comparing its feats to a kick. You should know that those flames are not solid, they're not material. They, of course, lack brute strength.
As someone said before, we're not talking about manipulating enton, which could be easily deflected by the automatic sand shield anyway.

 

[LustyLover]

Don't be a joke. Prejudging that way is just childish and idiotic. Of course I like Gaara. That makes all my arguments invalid? Well, you like a character whose screen time is non-existent, so you are probably frustrated by the fact that even Tenten is more well-known than him.- You see how stupid this turns out to be?
It has already been discussed how Gaara protects himself against Amaterasu thanks to the sand armour. Your argument is focused on the fact that Amaterasu has the power to break through it, comparing its feats to a kick. You should know that those flames are not solid, they're not material. They, of course, lack brute strength.
As someone said before, we're not talking about manipulating enton, which could be easily deflected by the automatic sand shield anyway.

I put Kagami as my avatar because I wanted to and, unlike you, not because he was my favorite character. No, it doesn't make all your arguments invalid; rather, it makes them biased which could be just as bad. Going over everything you posted, your bias couldn't possibly be more apparent.

@Bold, it looks like you still didn't bother to read what I said. Either that or you fail to comprehend basic literacy.

 

[KazekageDaichi]

I put Kagami as my avatar because I wanted to and, unlike you, not because he was my favorite character. No, it doesn't make all your arguments invalid; rather, it makes them biased which could be just as bad. Going over everything you posted, your bias couldn't possibly be more apparent.

@Bold, it looks like you still didn't bother to read what I said. Either that or you fail to comprehend basic literacy.

Why are you justifying yourself? It's not like I actually believe that you're frustrated by the fact that your character is irrelevant to the plot and that's why you bash other characters. It was an hypothetical situation, because you used my preferences to ''contradict'' my arguments.
Anyway,

nagato sees what his paths see,meaning there is a connection with his sense of sight and theirs,he controls them with chakra,chakra rods are just a medium,gaara connects the eye to his nerve with chakra too.
Lol @ bolded,he shouldnt be able to make a perfect replica of onoki down to his skin tone yet he can,this is a fictional manga where supernatural things occur lmao. It dosent matter what the eye is connected to,the eye is a fake copy made of sand,the medium through which sharingan genjutsu occurs is through the actual eye,hence direct eye contact is needed.
The medium through which itachi makes eye contact with gaara is through an eye made of sand,itachi cant genjutsu a sand eye,therefore he cant genjutsu gaara. If gaara actually plucked out his own eye and used it,then you would have a point.

Counter to Amaterasu:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The Armour easily counters amaterasu.

Lee had opened his 5th gate which produces way more force than amaterasu. Sasuke didnt use amaterasu on gaara, he used enton. Amaterasu doesnt produce any force, it produces on whatever is in the users line of sight. Enton is a manipulation od amaterasu, which means sasuke can launch it at enemies.

So no, itachi's simple amaterasu isnt harming gaara in the slightest. He easily removes it from his body and continues assault.

Your answer,

That's actually not a counter to Amaterasu.

And your funny requote

I find the eye thing plausible though. I just think that we shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly since the case of an extra eye getting caught in genjutsu is unique.

 

[LustyLover]

Why are you justifying yourself? It's not like I actually believe that you're frustrated by the fact that your character is irrelevant to the plot and that's why you bash other characters. It was an hypothetical situation, because you used my preferences to ''contradict'' my arguments.

I'm afraid that's where you're wrong. Nowhere at all did I ever state that an individual didn't possess the ability to debate fluently while debating about their favorite character. However, what I DID say is that if you're going to be arguing in favor of your favorite character at all you should exclude your bias in correlation with your arguments, something you fail to do.

Counter to Amaterasu:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

The Armour easily counters amaterasu. Lee had opened his 5th gate which produces way more force than amaterasu. Sasuke didnt use amaterasu on gaara, he used enton. Amaterasu doesnt produce any force, it produces on whatever is in the users line of sight. Enton is a manipulation od amaterasu, which means sasuke can launch it at enemies. So no, itachi's simple amaterasu isnt harming gaara in the slightest. He easily removes it from his body and continues assault.

First of all, when Lee broke Gaara's sand he wasn't in the 5th Gate. In fact, he hadn't had any Gate activated. When Lee destroyed his sand he was in base

You must be registered for see links

. If base Lee destroyed his sand with a few punches or kicks why can't Itachi do the same with his? Lol Alas, Gaara is god so we cannot judge him by our usual standards. Yes, you're right; Sasuke used Enton which is irrelevant in this case. The fact is that Amaterasu (regardless of what shape Sasuke made it took) burned straight through a LARGER amount of sand than that which covers Gaara's body

You must be registered for see links

. That alone proves that his (quoted from the manga) "thin sand surrounding his body" will have no use in deterring Amaterasu.

And your funny requote

Is it so funny to the point that you fail to falsify it?

 

[KazekageDaichi]

I'm afraid that's where you're wrong. Nowhere at all did I ever state that an individual didn't possess the ability to debate fluently while debating about their favorite character. However, what I DID say is that if you're going to be arguing in favor of your favorite character at all you should exclude your bias in correlation with your arguments, something you fail to do. First of all, when Lee broke Gaara's sand he wasn't in the 5th Gate. In fact, he hadn't had any Gate activated. When Lee destroyed his sand he was in base

You must be registered for see links

. If base Lee destroyed his sand with a few punches or kicks why can't Itachi do the same with his? Lol Alas, Gaara is god so we cannot judge him by our usual standards. Yes, you're right; Sasuke used Enton which is irrelevant in this case. The fact is that Amaterasu (regardless of what shape Sasuke made it took) burned straight through a LARGER amount of sand than that which covers Gaara's body

You must be registered for see links

. That alone proves that his (quoted from the manga) "thin sand surrounding his body" will have no use in deterring Amaterasu.




Is it so funny to the point that you fail to falsify it?

Ok, let's play dumb.The fact that you like one of the most useless and unknown uchiha characters along with your irrational and convoluted arguments,not to mention your depressing suicide-inducing status,confirms what you really are: an Uchiha fanboy.Yet you dare to insult those whose points of view differ from yours(I just read you called someone's thinking ''limited'' because he didn't see it as you did). I can't put up with such a childish demeanor and I'm trying to be respectful with you, but it seems there's no point in it.

It didn't burn straight through anything, it's just affecting the surface of the sand(that's how flames work actually) since the sand there is not compacted and it's mouldable. Besides, he's manipulating enton , which can be launched and therefore, acquire some strength. Even if Gaara lacked the automatic shield, he would only be pushed by the launching effect, which is different from burning the sand instantly and making it dissapear. Once the sand layer becomes useless for defense , he would simply remove it from his body.

 

[genii96]

I'm afraid that's where you're wrong. Nowhere at all did I ever state that an individual didn't possess the ability to debate fluently while debating about their favorite character. However, what I DID say is that if you're going to be arguing in favor of your favorite character at all you should exclude your bias in correlation with your arguments, something you fail to do. First of all, when Lee broke Gaara's sand he wasn't in the 5th Gate. In fact, he hadn't had any Gate activated. [When Lee destroyed his sand he was in base

You must be registered for see links

. If base Lee destroyed his sand with a few punches or kicks why can't Itachi do the same with his? Lol Alas, Gaara is god so we cannot judge him by our usual standards. Yes, you're right; Sasuke used Enton which is irrelevant in this case. The fact is that Amaterasu (regardless of what shape Sasuke made it took) burned straight through a LARGER amount of sand than that which covers Gaara's body

You must be registered for see links

. That alone proves that his (quoted from the manga) "thin sand surrounding his body" will have no use in deterring Amaterasu.




Is it so funny to the point that you fail to falsify it?

hmm,comparing CE gaara to current war arc gaara are we?.
In that same fight,gaara made his sand armour so thicjk that gated lee couldnt fully break it,by the SRA arc,it was so normally thick that CS2 kimimaro's outstretched bones only cracked it,by begging of part 2,multiple bombs got exploded at point blank range to gaara's body and the sand armour just cracked,it didnt even break. Itachi breaking it with a kick is laughable..amaterasu didnt burn through his sand,it was just burning on the surface lol,gaara caught it like a baseball.. This is all assuming gaara dosent turtle up in a floating sand dome at the start.

 

[LustyLover]

It didn't burn straight through anything, it's just affecting the surface of the sand(that's how flames work actually) since the sand there is not compacted and it's mouldable. Besides, he's manipulating enton , which can be launched and therefore, acquire some strength. Even if Gaara lacked the automatic shield, he would only be pushed by the launching effect, which is different from burning the sand instantly and making it dissapear. Once the sand layer becomes useless for defense , he would simply remove it from his body.

Lmfao.

I truly cannot. You clearly know nothing about Enton and Amaterasu. I'll entertain this later.