[VS] [ Waltz vs Brother Numpsay ]

[Waltz]

Its in character for Naruto to use summoning. Not in character to summon Elders and specifically Shima, unless he knows he specifically needs her for something. Plus he never summoned Shima, Shima is the one who summon them against Pein[1]

As stated above this wont happen immediately due to mindset, when the fight begins.

Shima is apart of Naruto's arsenal because she can be summoned by him at any time; as is Gamabunta, ect. @Bold: That was my point form the get-go; he summon's her to aid him in battle against multiple opponents (your team). @Underlined: I am aware but my point was that she can be summoned by Naruto.​

Im aware that you stated Aoda's size compensate the hole your team will be dug in, but that doesn't change the fact that he will still climb from out of it. Aoda is large by size not height.

So he isn't going to know the source when he wont see the process happening.

The difference in levels [

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Not having a personality is irrelevant, not when its listens to Mizukage command consciously.

@Bold: Not true, not when the it was used surrounded by an army[1], escaped, and yet needed Onoki to fly around to locate the Clam.

Onooki flew from Mū's Location to the Mizukage's. The clam never moved [

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] it was still outside in the open where it was summoned. What moved was the Mirages, relocating the soilder's position around them [

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] and the Giant Clam obeying Gengetsu's commands does not explain how it will maneuver about or take flight when it is immobile out of water. ​

Huh that tongue has no feats on penetrating the Golem. It will only be capable of spraying acid at it, which the corrosive wont be much of a threat to solid earth. So earth block her too.

Plus Muu can easily fly out of tongue's range.

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Then Sasuke cut's Mū-1 and the Golem in half. ​

Plus Muu can easily fly out of tongue's range

Mū-1's arsenal is more or less irrelevant before Naruto and Sasuke. So he's evading the battle entirely or is this the beginning of a secondary strategy? or perhaps you meant after he uses the Golem if by some miracle he is not sliced in two and in that case Mū, though a sensor isn't evading the speed of Shima's tongue which can freely maneuver in any direction. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shima is apart of Naruto's arsenal because she can be summoned by him at any time; as is Gamabunta, ect. @Bold: That was my point form the get-go; he summon's her to aid him in battle against multiple opponents (your team). @Underlined: I am aware but my point was that she can be summoned by Naruto.​

I never denied Naruto is capable of summoning Shima. I am arguing why it isn't in character for Naruto to summon her at a certain point via beginning. Multiple usually goes by more then 2. And even then your premise isnt 100% true. If it was then he would of against Obito w/ Jinkiruki Paths.

Why ignore summon Pa and other summons? Im sure Naruto as a big more of a relationship to then Ma. I respectfully agree at some point in time Naruto would summon Shima but in no way can that be true "In Character" in the start of the match.

The difference in levels [

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] even more so if he does this [

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Still wont expose the source. The hole is still deep enough to temporally block Aoda's line of sight, when comparing Sasuke, to Susanoo (tree height) to the height of Aoda[

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Onooki flew from Mū's Location to the Mizukage's. The clam never moved [

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] it was still outside in the open where it was summoned. What moved was the Mirages, relocating the soilder's position around them [

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] and the Giant Clam obeying Gengetsu's commands does not explain how it will maneuver about or take flight when it is immobile out of water. ​

Instead our interpretation clashing here:



And somewhere in the DB states:

The atmosphere as well as the human body is made light, in-order to soar through the sky.

So either way it will be soaring through the skies as if it was swimming

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Then Sasuke cut's Mū-1 and the Golem in half. ​

Mu and Golem arent next to each other. I specifically stated Golem is being spawn in front of Sasuke and Aoda. Which will block Sasuke from interfering with Clam

Mū-1's arsenal is more or less irrelevant before Naruto and Sasuke. So he's evading the battle entirely or is this the beginning of a secondary strategy? or perhaps you meant after he uses the Golem if by some miracle he is not sliced in two and in that case Mū, though a sensor isn't evading the speed of Shima's tongue which can freely maneuver in any direction. ​

This premise is doing the execution of stopping Sasuke from interfering with the Clam leaving. Muu can move freely in the sky. And Im sure Gaara's sand speed is faster, which he can avoid. He just needs to escape her tongue range, which the distance between them and Golem gives him a waaay ahead start.

 

[Waltz]

I am arguing why it isn't in character for Naruto to summon her at a certain point via beginning.
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I respectfully agree at some point in time Naruto would summon Shima but in no way can that be true "In Character" in the start of the match.

SM Naruto has used the support of his summon's for combat reasons at the beginning of battles including Shima. It's in character. ​

Multiple usually goes by more then 2.

Dictionary says multiple means more than 1.​

If it was then he would of against Obito w/ Jinkiruki Paths.

That's not SM Naruto.​

Why ignore summon Pa and other summons?

'Cause I don't want him to use them. ​

Still wont expose the source. The hole is still deep enough to temporally block Aoda's line of sight, when comparing Sasuke, to Susanoo (tree height) to the height of Aoda[1].

Based on the size of the Shinobi on the ground [

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That depth is nothing for Aoda to compensate for and as I said in my second post the Kuchiyose no jutsu is Instantaneous so within the fraction of a second he will peer over the difference in levels and expose the clam. ​

Instead our interpretation clashing here:

That's a scallop, not a clam.​

And somewhere in the DB states:

The atmosphere as well as the human body is made light, in-order to soar through the sky.

"The human body" not a clam. Similarly using the Jutsu on a boulder doesn't mean it will go flying, soaring through the sky. ​

Mu and Golem arent next to each other. I specifically stated Golem is being spawn in front of Sasuke and Aoda. Which will block Sasuke from interfering with Clam

Mu knows nothing of Amaterasu nor does he know that Aoda can sense the clam so he's not making a Golem for no reason. It can only be produced after Amaterasu is used because he would then know that Sasuke can affect the Clam at that distance. ​

This premise is doing the execution of stopping Sasuke from interfering with the Clam leaving. Muu can move freely in the sky. And Im sure Gaara's sand speed is faster, which he can avoid. He just needs to escape her tongue range, which the distance between them and Golem gives him a waaay ahead start.

Since the Golem can only be created after Amaterasu makes contact with the Clam due to Mū's ignorance then he will remain in that position to perform the Jutsu thus leaving a sufficient window for Shima's tongue to grasp him. ​

 

[Blue Flash Of The Senju]

Will it be as shit as the last one, I wonder.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I believe we did enough post counts, unless you want to do a bit more?

 

[Waltz]

Alright, It can be judged now.
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[BlacLord™]

Alright, It can be judged now.
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Is there even any point? The outcome was obvious before the fight started. Whether it be Waltz's way or not, Team 2 were always going to win. Poor BN was on a losing streak before the debate started.

Only by using MS Sasuke could this have been fairly fair.