[VS] [ Waltz vs Brother Numpsay ]

[Brother Numpsay]

-> Gengetsu and Muu (Brother Numpsay) vs SM Naruto and EMS Sasuke (Waltz)
-> 30 meters
-> Mindset: In character
-> Conditions: Muu has all of Onooki's feats
-> Restrictions: Perfect Susano'o
-> Location:

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Ill post first.

Judges
1. ??
2. ??
3. ??

 

[NarutoX28]

That's going to be a hard one to debate for when EMS Sasuke has a Massive V4 Susano'o, so this should be very interesting.

 

[ARGUS]

This doesn't seem balanced at all
Waltz has a huge advantage

 

[iNotorious]

I'm definitely that team 2 has the advantage BUT Numpsay could prove me wrong. I'm looking forward for this debate. [Subscribed]

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke solos

OT - go walter

 

[Lord Tywin]

The teens rape.

 

[RustledJimmies]

Sasuke solos. But still, I'll wait to see how this goes.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ill begin once we find 1 official judge.

This doesn't seem balanced at all
Waltz has a huge advantage

True, but I think I can put up a strategy that can convince the judges.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke could solo these guys add Naruto and this is a stomp Waltz will win this debate simply because he has a huge advantage once again like he did against Varrah.​

 

[Apêx1]

EMS Sasuke genuinely solo's smh. One of the least balanced debates I have seen to date.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I think BN is still under the impression that Sharingan can't see through Gengetsu's mirage.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Sasuke solos and Naruto can beat either of them 1v1

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Sensing their chakra nature, Muu's skill in sensing would tell[

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] who he would be up against. With that kind of intel by his sensing, he proceeds not to waste time.

Gengetsu summon his Clam, while Muu fission himself, which is faster performance then Bunshin techs[

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].

Muu 1 uses Doton: Chidōkaku to lower the floor[

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] underneath the opponents. Keep in mind this tech happens so sudden that it can even catch Madara off guard. This buys time for Muu 2 to use Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu on both Gengetsu and his Clam, which already commence the "Mist" process.

Once the Mist is set up, The Clam begins to fly away (with Gengetsu on top of it).

Muu covers the ground while Gengetsu covers the air.

The opponents has the ability to sense chakra and see color chakra. The Mist nullifies those base on the fact that a sensor wasn't able to under its gengetsu[

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], The Clam w/ Gengetsu hides via Camouflage[

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] so the combination of both Genjutsu and camouflage puts him in the same state as the Null Man himself. They will only be able to detect the Mirages.

Sasuke can share with Naruto that they are both under a genjutsu, but the genjutsu cannot be broken unless the Clam is destroyed, which is nearly impossible for them to find.

The clam creates mirages of both the Mizukage and Muu. Lets say about 30.

Option 1:

My team creates iwa bunshin (3) and mizu bunshins(4). They will hide among the mirages. Their purpose is to get close to the opponents (Iwa Bunshin to kill or use Kajūgan no Jutsu) or snipe them (Mizukage Clone using Water Gun). And Mizukage himself, in the air, helps snipe them.

If failed (by coincidence of Susanoo) only gathers them more intel.

Option 2:

Mizukage can now have Joki Boi (lighten) attack. Due to it being Light, it will be able to move faster and built up heat faster. Joki Boi was able to move faster then Gaara's Sand Speed before. Moving faster makes him able to dodge both Sasuke's and Naruto's projectiles with ease. With Joki Boi as a distraction (with only Susanoo only able to protect them), covering air and ground, Muu hiding underground by Doton (undetected) ends it with a surprise

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<--.

 

[Waltz]

When Doton: Chidōkaku takes effect: Sasuke will summon Aoda who's size will instantaneously compensate for difference in ground level and Naruto simultaneously Summons Shima. Aoda will reveal the giant clam's location via the signature of its temperature [

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] to Sasuke and he will Ignites it and it's summoner with Amaterasu jointly with Shima who will destroy the clam with a tongue swipe [

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]. Mū-2 who will be in close distance to the Mizukage will be dissected by Shima's tongue. Mū-1 who will be some distance away will also be ignited but if he attempts to flee with Mujin Meisai Sasuke will summon his hawk in means of pursuit; Aoda will pin-point his location via heat signature and Shima atop the Hawk will utilize her tongue to pin-point his location via smell and cease him while eradicating his body with corrosive acid. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Waltz, the characters your representing shows that they know what my characters are capable of.

If you read my intro, I was under the impression that the intel is default (Manga Intel). Which is why I started with this:

Sensing their chakra nature, Muu's skill in sensing would tell[1] who he would be up against. With that kind of intel by his sensing, he proceeds not to waste time.

 

[BlacLord™]

I'd just like to point out a few problems with the first argument.

Firstly, the hamaguri utilises genjutsu so like anything else that uses jutsu, it logically has chakra. Of which is useless in front of the Sharingan because a) it will quickly recognise the genjutsu and b) the source will be quickly detected by the Sharingan user via sight.

Secondly, creating Bunshins is useless since they only have a fraction of the strength of the original (Mizu Bunshin have only 1/10) and so something similarly is expected of Iwa Bunshins. Moreover, the originals and the clones can be distinguished by the Sharingan, as it is only Kage Bunshins which cannot be distinguished (unless you're Madara or it's something to do with the Rinnegan).


Anyway, I digress. Bond out.

 

[Waltz]

Waltz, the characters your representing shows that they know what my characters are capable of.

If you read my intro, I was under the impression that the intel is default (Manga Intel). Which is why I started with this:

That is the case and I did not imply in any way that my team has any knowledge of yours but only reacted based upon what they observed as a means to use the most effect route to victory. To compensate for the ground shift----that is-----to keep a visual of the opponents Sasuke summons Aoda to support his team with the Kuchiyose-no-Jutsu being instantaneous and Naruto like wise summon's Shima to aid him in battle which is common for any Sage that trained at Mount Myōboku. The Sharingan will reveal to Sasuke that a mist is being created because he will immediately see the Chakra color of the mist spreading in all directions from a source he cannot accurately pin-point. Since Sasuke already knows that the Sharingan cannot see through the mist and since he knows that Snakes can sense objects via the signature of their temperature then Aoda, who is already present, will reveal the location of the clam and my counter to your strategy takes effect as well as the contingency if Mū-1 attempts to flee with Mujin Meisai. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Bond are you new to this? Please delete your comment. Its not allow in 1v1 debates, that have already started.

That is the case and I did not imply in any way that my team has any knowledge of yours but only reacted based upon what they observed as a means to use the most effect route to victory. To compensate for the ground shift----that is-----to keep a visual of the opponents Sasuke summons Aoda to support his team with the Kuchiyose-no-Jutsu being instantaneous and Naruto like wise summon's Shima to aid him in battle which is common for any Sage that trained at Mount Myōboku. The Sharingan will reveal to Sasuke that a mist is being created because he will immediately see the Chakra color of the mist spreading in all directions from a source he cannot accurately pin-point. Since Sasuke already knows that the Sharingan cannot see through the mist and since he knows that Snakes can sense objects via the signature of their temperature then Aoda, who is already present, will reveal the location of the clam and my counter to your strategy takes effect as well as the contingency if Mū-1 attempts to flee with Mujin Meisai. ​

Ok, I can look at it from this perspective, but even then it is still faulty. Sure, you can get away by coincidence, that Sasuke chooses Aoda for summoning (since naturally "free falling" Sasuke uses Hawk). But how is it common for Naruto to simultaneously summon Shima, and Shima specifically? Thats not "in character", as Naruto naturally relies on his own senses. The only way I can see you getting away with it is if Sasuke tells Naruto what to do, "from here on".

My team would have already done what they needed to do:

-Mizukage taking flight before Aoda tells Sasuke he is detecting heat signature (from 3 locations).

If Sasuke decides to take out the ones taking flight (As heat sensing carries a certain amount of range and will be a waste of effort to use it on Muu1 first), he has 2 options to Ammy. Muu2 or Mizukage. But Muu1 will see Aoda tracking them by tongue and sense chakra built from Sasuke's eye. Which Muu1 will respond by [

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] in front of Aoda/Sasuke to block and attack.

Other then above premise, of making sure my premise succeeds, Mizu controlling the battle in air and Muu on Land, my OP remains the same.

Using Hawk w/ Shima to track airborne would result to being vulnerable by lighten Joki Boii speed, Close quarters, and explosive range.

On land, Muu (jointed together at this point) will be the same, but using more Doton for defense and offense, until its safe to use Jinton.

 

[Waltz]

Actually is very much in character and common for SM Naruto to utilize Summons as when he fought multiple opponents (Pein) and in this case, he summons Shima. ​

The only way I can see you getting away with it is if Sasuke tells Naruto what to do, "from here on".

Neither Naruto or Shima would be able to see through the incoming mist and Aoda will reveal the location of it's source then Shima uses her tongue to destroy the source. ​

My team would have already done what they needed to do:

-Mizukage taking flight before Aoda tells Sasuke he is detecting heat signature (from 3 locations)

Those are only your words. I said Aoda will reveal the Clam's location (source of the mist) to Sasuke.

Since the Kuchiyose Jutsu is instantaneous; Aoda will pin-point it's location long before Mū-2 begins to lighten Gengetsu and the clam. This----according to your strategy----is after the Clam finishes it's jutsu.

Once the Mist is set up, The Clam begins to fly away (with Gengetsu on top of it).

Also, the clam by observation has no personality nor does it possess any means of mobility so it will not fly when Gengetsu stands atop it. Once the clam is destroyed it's chakra is no longer manipulating the molecules of water suspended in the air so the Mist becomes irrelevant and Sasuke will ignite Gengetsu with Amaterasu while Shima dissects Mū-2. Making this none and void:

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Using Hawk w/ Shima to track airborne would result to being vulnerable by lighten Joki Boii speed, and explosive range.

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Muu1 will respond by [spawning] a [GiantGolem] in front of Aoda/Sasuke to block and attack.

Shima who will be with Sasuke will use her tongue to go through the Golem and cease Mū-1 and eradicate his body with Corrosive acid.

...Aoda will pin-point his location via heat signature and Shima atop the Hawk will utilize her tongue to pin-point his location via smell and cease him while eradicating his body with corrosive acid....

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[Brother Numpsay]

Actually is very much in character and common for SM Naruto to utilize Summons as when he fought multiple opponents (Pein) and in this case, he summons Shima. ​

Its in character for Naruto to use summoning. Not in character to summon Elders and specifically Shima, unless he knows he specifically needs her for something. Plus he never summoned Shima, Shima is the one who summon them against Pein[

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Neither Naruto or Shima would be able to see through the incoming mist and Aoda will reveal the location of it's source then Shima uses her tongue to destroy the source.​

As stated above this wont happen immediately due to mindset, when the fight begins.

Those are only your words. I said Aoda will reveal the Clam's location (source of the mist) to Sasuke.

Since the Kuchiyose Jutsu is instantaneous; Aoda will pin-point it's location long before Mū-2 begins to lighten Gengetsu and the clam. This----according to your strategy----is after the Clam finishes it's jutsu.​

Im aware that you stated Aoda's size compensate the hole your team will be dug in, but that doesn't change the fact that he will still climb from out of it. Aoda is large by size not height.

So he isn't going to know the source when he wont see the process happening.

Also, the clam by observation has no personality nor does it possess any means of mobility so it will not fly when Gengetsu stands atop it. Once the clam is destroyed it's chakra is no longer manipulating the molecules of water suspended in the air so the Mist becomes irrelevant and Sasuke will ignite Gengetsu with Amaterasu while Shima dissects Mū-2. Making this none and void:

Not having a personality is irrelevant, not when its listens to Mizukage command consciously.

@Bold: Not true, not when the it was used surrounded by an army[

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], escaped, and yet needed Onoki to fly around to locate the Clam.

Shima who will be with Sasuke will use her tongue to go through the Golem and cease Mū-1 and eradicate his body with Corrosive acid.

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Huh that tongue has no feats on penetrating the Golem. It will only be capable of spraying acid at it, which the corrosive wont be much of a threat to solid earth. So earth block her too.

Plus Muu can easily fly out of tongue's range.​