[VS] WA Tsunade vs Kakuzu

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There’s nothing that suggests Kakazu’s diamond skin can protect him from Tsunade who can 2 hit KO a Madara ribcage susanoo and 1 hit KO a Madara susanoo sword
Kakuzu perfectly tanked a tailed beast paw strike when he wasn't even using his armour.

That alone makes him close to ribcage armour. Now when you add in his armour, which has a perfect record of tanking attacks, he should scale much higher.

Just talking armour
 

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Kakuzu perfectly tanked a tailed beast paw strike when he wasn't even using his armour.
He caught it, meaning he also had to intercept it with his own strength, he didn’t just stand there and tank it. So while you can argue if he put his palm out he could thrust hard enough tos top her fist, but he can’t just puff out his chest and tank her punch
 

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He caught it, meaning he also had to intercept it with his own strength, he didn’t just stand there and tank it. So while you can argue if he put his palm out he could thrust hard enough tos top her fist, but he can’t just puff out his chest and tank her punch
His fist is made up of the same stuff his body is, unlike normal people with softer flesh and bony fists.

Before it can project anything, it must meet the force fully on. That it was also travelling in opposite direction actualy increases the force against it because it increases practical speed of the paw. So Kakuzu can more than tank.

The force behind a strike is in the weight×speed×material quality (don't have the perfect term here, but a steel punch is harder than a pilow punch, get me?). It is not projected outside the fist until contact is made with a target. So him striking back would not reduce the force he has to take on (tank).

By tank, i simply meant surviving the strike, i wasn't thinking of the strictest definition - simply standing to it.
 

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Before it can project anything, it must meet the force fully on. That it was also travelling in opposite direction actualy increases the force against it because it increases practical speed of the paw. So Kakuzu can more than tank.
No he can’t, as Kakashi’s chidori nearly killed Kakazu. Meanwhile, A chidori from someone stronger (MS Sasuke) could barely pierce the raikage’s cloak, and Tsunade’s fist could bust Madara’s Susanoo.

Kakashi’s chidori has no feats to suggest it would do anything to Madara’s susanoo, but Tsunade can bust through it in two hits.

Kakazu met the paw with his own force and stalemated it, he didn’t get hit by it.

If I catch your hand as it punches me, that doesn’t somehow mean if you punch me in the face I’ll tank it like my hand did.


By tank, i simply meant surviving the strike, i wasn't thinking of the strictest definition - simply standing to it.
I might be able to grant you this, but this would stun Kakazu from the initial damage and then he’d just be hit a second time.
 
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No he can’t, as Kakashi’s chidori nearly killed Kakazu. Meanwhile, A chidori from someone stronger (MS Sasuke) could barely pierce the raikage’s cloak, and Tsunade’s fist could bust Madara’s Susanoo.
At best, youre being selective here. Why take the Kakashi occurence and use it to scale instead of the Matatabi occurence?

Otherwise, we were told that Kakashi getting through Kakuzu was due to elemental affinities, not power levels. So you're taking a situational occurence and using it as a general measure of power.

Additionally, even if . . . Kakashi used a less concentrated version of his lightning to cut tailed beast energy tails, same energy (V2) that tanked the Long Sword of the Sky cleanly. So while Kakashi may be weak, his technique has high level showings which means it cant be used as a low-end showing.



Kakazu met the paw with his own force and stalemated it, he didn’t get hit by it.

If I catch your hand as it punches me, that doesn’t somehow mean if you punch me in the face I’ll tank it like my hand did.
The part i skipped in the quoting is covered above.

Why does it matter?

Firstly, why does meeting something not equate to getting hit by it?

Secondly, even if . . . can he not meet other attacks in the same way?

Finally, where did the force come from? Was it not his own body? So it effectively means he got hit, because the force of Matatabi met his body.

Unlike normal body, Kakuzu has a body made up of the same stuff all around, so your example fails here (otherwise, it is quite brilliant reasoning that you used).

To close it off, that was Kakuzu only using his pure 'flesh'. So youcant equate it to Kakuzu using a special technique to further boost durability.

In fact, that basically seals this case. If Kakuzu using his normal body can arguably match hits from Tsunade, then a Kakuzu using a special technique should very easily outdo it because special techniques - by nature and by design - are supposed to be far better than non-techniques. So if something is questionable without techniques, then it is usually sealed as soon as techniques come into play. Generally.


I might be able to grant you this, but this would stun Kakazu from the initial damage and then he’d just be hit a second time.
The gesture is appreciated, but there's nothing to grant.

Im simply explaining the fact of what my words mean. Even if you say lets switch to stricter meanings, thatdoesnt affect my previous meanings.
As for the other part, why would a man made up of wires even be able to suffer a 'stun' effect,since stun relies on brain issues?
Even if he could be stunned, what would a second hit achieve, since his body type would just tank it again? Multiple hits add up when some degree of damage is suffered. The body of Kakuzu is not the type to suffer continuous damage. Then lack of a normal brain meansnthat as long as his shell is undamaged, no damage will ever be suffered via concussive hits.

But that's another issue. I have other points, lets settle these first.
 

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At best, youre being selective here. Why take the Kakashi occurence and use it to scale instead of the Matatabi occurence?

Otherwise, we were told that Kakashi getting through Kakuzu was due to elemental affinities, not power levels. So you're taking a situational occurence and using it as a general measure of power.
Kakashi didn’t use raikiri against Kakazu’s diamond skin, he did it to Kakazu’s normal durability. Your argument was that Kakazu can survive a hit from Tsunade because he caught matatabi’s hand, so by this logic Raikiri >> Matatabi attacks.

or maybe because Kakazu caught the hand it isn’t the same as taking a direct hit from it?

The only thing I remember Kakazu tanking with his diamond skin is Choji’s attacks. That doesn’t scale to Tsunade at all

Additionally, even if . . . Kakashi used a less concentrated version of his lightning to cut tailed beast energy tails, same energy (V2) that tanked the Long Sword of the Sky cleanly.
Kakashi used the lightning Cable Justsu to cut the chakra arms, not raikiri. Those are two seperate jutsu that differ in power.

Kakashi used raikiri on those same V2 jins and it bounced off and did nothing

his lightning cable cut them though. Those are two different jutsu so the quote above doesn’t work.

Secondly, even if . . . can he not meet other attacks in the same way?
If he is in diamond skin no since he can’t move. If he’s in base sure, but if he catches her hand then she can grab his hand and rip his arm off with her super human strength


In fact, that basically seals this case. If Kakuzu using his normal body can arguably match hits from Tsunade, then a Kakuzu using a special technique should very easily outdo it because special techniques - by nature and by design - are supposed to be far better than non-techniques. So if something is questionable without techniques, then it is usually sealed as soon as techniques come into play. Generally.
This has many flaws. For one, how do we know Kakazu can just catch these attacks? By this logic Kakazu should have tried catching Naruto’s incomplete windstyle rasenshuriken. Him catching Matatabi’s hand is a strength feat, not a durability feat.

Secondly, why are we assuming he will be able to perfectly catch each of Tsunade’s hits? Tsunade was able to go against 5 V3 Madara wood clone’s all using susanoo, and she was still landing hits against them. Kakazu stalemated a barely kage level Kakashi in taijutsu. There’s a big discrepancy there


why would a man made up of wires even be able to suffer a 'stun' effect,since stun relies on brain issues?
Even if he could be stunned, what would a second hit achieve, since his body type would just tank it again? Multiple hits add up when some degree of damage is suffered. The body of Kakuzu is not the type to suffer continuous damage. Then lack of a normal brain meansnthat as long as his shell is undamaged, no damage will ever be suffered via concussive hits.
Kakazu having a weird body doesn’t make him this super invulnerable guy, otherwise he wouldn’t have died to an incomplete wind style rasenshuriken. Also Kakazu still has a brain unless stated otherwise. He has hearts, which function fine. So he has to have a brain for those hearts to work.

him suffering no damage from successive hits again is not supported by anything. Him having tentacles in his body doesn’t mean he’s immune to physical force, again, unless stated somewhere.
 

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Kakashi didn’t use raikiri against Kakazu’s diamond skin, he did it to Kakazu’s normal durability. Your argument was that Kakazu can survive a hit from Tsunade because he caught matatabi’s hand, so by this logic Raikiri >> Matatabi attacks.

or maybe because Kakazu caught the hand it isn’t the same as taking a direct hit from it?

The only thing I remember Kakazu tanking with his diamond skin is Choji’s attacks. That doesn’t scale to Tsunade at all



Kakashi used the lightning Cable Justsu to cut the chakra arms, not raikiri. Those are two seperate jutsu that differ in power.

Kakashi used raikiri on those same V2 jins and it bounced off and did nothing

his lightning cable cut them though. Those are two different jutsu so the quote above doesn’t work.


If he is in diamond skin no since he can’t move. If he’s in base sure, but if he catches her hand then she can grab his hand and rip his arm off with her super human strength




This has many flaws. For one, how do we know Kakazu can just catch these attacks? By this logic Kakazu should have tried catching Naruto’s incomplete windstyle rasenshuriken. Him catching Matatabi’s hand is a strength feat, not a durability feat.

Secondly, why are we assuming he will be able to perfectly catch each of Tsunade’s hits? Tsunade was able to go against 5 V3 Madara wood clone’s all using susanoo, and she was still landing hits against them. Kakazu stalemated a barely kage level Kakashi in taijutsu. There’s a big discrepancy there



Kakazu having a weird body doesn’t make him this super invulnerable guy, otherwise he wouldn’t have died to an incomplete wind style rasenshuriken. Also Kakazu still has a brain unless stated otherwise. He has hearts, which function fine. So he has to have a brain for those hearts to work.

him suffering no damage from successive hits again is not supported by anything. Him having tentacles in his body doesn’t mean he’s immune to physical force, again, unless stated somewhere.
You ignored my arguements here
I never stated or claimed Kakuzu was this "super invulnerable guy", or somesuch, i claimed he had a specific durability againstr specifjc attacks like Tsunades. Please address that.

Why should durability against physical hits be proven against energy attacks? Please address the actual topic.

If a gave direct reasoning why he should be immune, and your own previous point relied on said immunity, how isthere suddenly " not supported by anything" in stun immunity? Please . . .

So that is a strawman, attacked using a massive false equivalnecy and closed off by pure ignorance. Your entire post. Bold stuff is best i can do for you

The problem with relying on a method and putting it in your entire work is that you give the other guy a whole mess to deal with if your method is wrong. Im not doing that. Please actually reply to my post.
 
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