[VS] WA Tsunade vs Kakuzu

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Quick Question:
Do you have proof that Madara has a superior defense to Kakuzu?
v1 susanoo being able to no-sell WA Naruto's and all of Raikage's strikes, whilst domu having no such defensive feats. It's a no-limit fallacy to give defensive feats to someone who is tiers below the likes of Madara just because we haven't seen it break. The jutsu ranking itself is a clear indicator of where we can scale it, it's only a B-rank jutsu making it pretty crystal clear this jutsu isn't on the same level as Madara both feat wise, ranking wise, and even powerscaling wise.
 

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v1 susanoo being able to no-sell WA Naruto's and all of Raikage's strikes, whilst domu having no such defensive feats. It's a no-limit fallacy to give defensive feats to someone who is tiers below the likes of Madara just because we haven't seen it break. The jutsu ranking itself is a clear indicator of where we can scale it, it's only a B-rank jutsu making it pretty crystal clear this jutsu isn't on the same level as Madara both feat wise, ranking wise, and even powerscaling wise.
Kakashi was able to beat Earth Spear with Chidori, but couldn't beat Water Prison with it. Are you telling me Water Prison is better than Earth Spear?

Kakuzu being tiers below Madara is your fanfic

You don't even know what no-limits fallacy is, don't use it.

The key to a good exchange is just to express your belief and give your reasons, not to try to be fancy. I skipped your long reply because it was riddled with so many faults I just couldn't stomach the effort to point them out, all made worse by the hard-headed arrogance in your statements. So lets stick with this point. It also has its faults, but may be through it we can solve the others
 

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Kakashi was able to beat Earth Spear with Chidori, but couldn't beat Water Prison with it. Are you telling me Water Prison is better than Earth Spear?
They explicitly told us Earth Spear was countered by Chidori because
Your point is irrelevant here.

Kakuzu being tiers below Madara is your fanfic
LMFAO. You have the comprehension skills of a third grader if you don't believe Madara isn't tiers above Kakuzu. What has Kakuzu done on panel that is even remotely impressive to him? NONE of his attacks connected, and when they did they were outright dodged. For ****'s sake he got juked by an exhausted post-training IA Naruto. Meanwhile Madara was making a mockery of people like the Raikage, someone who literally shits on IA Kakashi, IA Naruto, etc. Characters in which Kakuzu was had trouble against. What's not clicking?
You don't even know what no-limits fallacy is, don't use it.
It's a no-limits fallacy to say Domu is more impressive than V1 because it hasn't been broken. Because that statement implies that because it hasn't been broken, we can make up our own limitations to the technique, which is exactly what you are doing. What feats does this B-rank technique have that would even suggest it being stronger than Madara's?

The key to a good exchange is just to express your belief and give your reasons, not to try to be fancy. I skipped your long reply because it was riddled with so many faults I just couldn't stomach the effort to point them out, all made worse by the hard-headed arrogance in your statements. So lets stick with this point. It also has its faults, but may be through it we can solve the others
I see you are incapable of basic reading. Next time, I will dumb it down for you so you can comprehend it : )!

I'm assuming this is your concession since you didn't bother to reply to one (1) singular point I made. Have a great day.
 
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Funny thing is I actually held back on my initial points coz I thought that a nice discussion could be had and I didn't wanna shut down opposition arguements.

Won't be making that mistake again
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Funny thing is I actually held back on my initial points coz I thought that a nice discussion could be had and I didn't wanna shut down opposition arguements.

Won't be making that mistake again
 

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Funny thing is I actually held back on my initial points coz I thought that a nice discussion could be had and I didn't wanna shut down opposition arguements.

Won't be making that mistake again
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Funny thing is I actually held back on my initial points coz I thought that a nice discussion could be had and I didn't wanna shut down opposition arguements.

Won't be making that mistake again
OP iz troll...we all saw how madara sliced sunade in 2 halves.. and that was just out of mercy cuz he could've killed her..
 
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OP iz troll...we all saw how madara sliced sunade in 2 halves.. and that was just out of mercy cuz he could've killed her..
Yeah, but . .

I think there's something worthwhile, a good quaity that is worth seeking out in OP. Unfortunately, free will also means that you can't do much with a person if they don't allow you
 

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Yeah, but . .

I think there's something worthwhile, a good quaity that is worth seeking out in OP. Unfortunately, free will also means that you can't do much with a person if they don't allow you
free dont exist...or rather it exists but u have to seek it hardly and then finally unlock it..
 

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Funny thing is I actually held back on my initial points coz I thought that a nice discussion could be had and I didn't wanna shut down opposition arguements.

Won't be making that mistake again
Make your point breh lmfao no one is stopping you but yourself. But if you can't be bothered, then it's a concession seeing as you haven't even tried to refute my claims

OP iz troll...we all saw how madara sliced sunade in 2 halves.. and that was just out of mercy cuz he could've killed her..
zis haz nuffin tew do wit za argooment
 
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Kakuzu has an AOE and 5-2 advantage, Tsunade will need to summon Katsuya to handle the 4 hearts to protect her flank.

Domu isn't surviving a full force assault by Tsunade when it cracked a Susanoo rib cage, Tsunade is a CQC fighter and evasive expert but Kakuzu will be a problem when he uses Grude Fear which will prevent a linear Taijutsu specialist from causing serious harm, Tsunade can use terrain manipulation to throw him off balance in the hopes she can release her Yin Seal to avoid injury going in for an easy kill on any of the hearts provided Katsuya is also keeping the hearts at bay or possibly eliminate them too as she's not getting killed by them.

Numbers are a problem for Tsunade's limited arsenal but I think she can pull it off with high difficulty mainly due to her healing properties.
 
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Kakuzu has an AOE and 5-2 advantage, Tsunade will need to summon Katsuya to handle the 4 hearts to protect her flank.

Domu isn't surviving a full force assault by Tsunade when it cracked a Susanoo rib cage, Tsunade is a CQC fighter and evasive expert but Kakuzu will be a problem when he uses Grude Fear which will prevent a linear Taijutsu specialist from causing serious harm, Tsunade can use terrain manipulation to throw him off balance in the hopes she can release her Yin Seal to avoid injury going in for an easy kill on any of the hearts provided Katsuya is also keeping the hearts at bay or possibly eliminate them too as she's not getting killed by them.

Numbers are a problem for Tsunade's limited arsenal but I think she can pull it off with high difficulty mainly due to her healing properties.
Just on numbers

What if she summons a huge portion of the slug which splits up into hundreds of man sized portions?

I have Kakuzu on the winning side slightly, but i thought to address that point.
 

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Tsunade wins and it’s not even a contest. Kakazu couldn’t even reliably put down Kakashi who at this point in time as barely a kage level fighter.

Meanwhile, Tsunade outperformed Gaara, Mei and the fourth Raikage against Madara. She was the only one besides Onoki to actually incapacitate one of his Susanoo, and unlike the fourth Raikage , Gaara or Mei, she didn’t need saving and wasn’t about to die if not for Onoki. She then saves the group from being killed from Madara’s fire style.

Tsunade was able to swat away Madara’s fire style so most of Kakazu’s elemental attacks are worthless, and her 100 healings and easily tank any of the other attacks. Kakazu can’t run away from Tsunade as he’s slower (He failed to tag Shikamaru whilst Tsunade could intercept Madara’s fire attack before the Mizukage could even use Jutsu) and he can’t put her down at all.
 

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Kakuzu low diff only because he is legit the perfect counter to Tsunade. I am a fan of both. But he has Diamond skin Tsunade would have to get through first.

2. Kakuzu has blitz potential Tsunade is not ready for. He blitzed P2 Kakashi... That speaks for itself.

3. He threads would probably pierce Tsunade inside and out from every angle. Don't care how much she can heal. She has a very clear limit like any other shinobi. No ninja is untouchable.

Further more, she is a close range fighter. On top of Kakuzu's extremely OP lightning techs, he has blast that are fully capable of pushing her back and/or stunning/killing. Tsunade cannot do much but summon Katsuyu to spit acid but Kakuzu has enough in his arsenal to defend.

Added bonus: Kakuzu can use several different elements at the same time while using EGF techs. All at the same time...

I am sorry but I do not see Tsunade winning this at all. Also Kakuzu arguably has highet IQ and more battle experience than Tsunade. Just don't see it.
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Tsunade wins and it’s not even a contest. Kakazu couldn’t even reliably put down Kakashi who at this point in time as barely a kage level fighter.

Meanwhile, Tsunade outperformed Gaara, Mei and the fourth Raikage against Madara. She was the only one besides Onoki to actually incapacitate one of his Susanoo, and unlike the fourth Raikage , Gaara or Mei, she didn’t need saving and wasn’t about to die if not for Onoki. She then saves the group from being killed from Madara’s fire style.

Tsunade was able to swat away Madara’s fire style so most of Kakazu’s elemental attacks are worthless, and her 100 healings and easily tank any of the other attacks. Kakazu can’t run away from Tsunade as he’s slower (He failed to tag Shikamaru whilst Tsunade could intercept Madara’s fire attack before the Mizukage could even use Jutsu) and he can’t put her down at all.
You are highly overhyping Tsunade's capabilities, my friend. And to insinuate she is faster than Kakuzu is absurd.
 

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Notifications told me i had been quoted, but i see no such thing . . .

Oh well, I'll just reply to more disagreements


Kakuzu has blitz potential Tsunade is not ready for. He blitzed P2 Kakashi... That speaks for itself.
Part 2 Kakashi struggled with any single of the SPoP, which Jiraiya blitzed.

Jiraiya is an assocaite of Tsunade as a Sannin, so by assocuation someone like Kakashi doesn't come close to Tsunade.

Counters?
 

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But he has Diamond skin Tsunade would have to get through first.
There’s nothing that suggests Kakazu’s diamond skin can protect him from Tsunade who can 2 hit KO a Madara ribcage susanoo and 1 hit KO a Madara susanoo sword

Kakuzu has blitz potential Tsunade is not ready for. He blitzed P2 Kakashi... That speaks for itself.
This never happened. Kakazu emerged from some smoke where Kakashi couldn’t see him at all and then grabbed him with some tentacles from behind, Thats not a blitz. In reality, Kakazu tried to sneak attack Shikamaru but failed to tag him, and the Chunin got away.

Tsunade also outsped Mei’s jutsu activation speed and saved the gokage. Mei’s jutsu speed was fast enough to out pace Madara’s jutsu speed with Katon.


He threads would probably pierce Tsunade inside and out from every angle. Don't care how much she can heal. She has a very clear limit like any other shinobi. No ninja is untouchable.
Tsunade went up against five wood clone Madara, all using Version 3 susanoo, and they only ever managed to pierce her twice. On what Basis is Kakazu’s threads preforming better then five, V3 susanoo Madara wood clones? Not to mention that even if the the threads did hit her she would just grab the threads and pull Kakazu towards her, effectively ending the fight right there.

Tsunade cannot do much but summon Katsuyu to spit acid but Kakuzu has enough in his arsenal to defend.
Tsuande casually swatted away MADARA’S fire style jutsu with her hands, so most of his techs should be able to be swatted away. On top of this, his larger AOE ninjutsu were dodged by people like Ino, and none of these things can kill her through her 100 healings anyways. All this would do is tire Kakazu out.

You are highly overhyping Tsunade's capabilities, my friend.
All I did was point out what she’s done.


Kakuzu low diff only because he is legit the perfect counter to Tsunade. I am a fan of both. But he has Diamond skin Tsunade would have to get through first.

2. Kakuzu has blitz potential Tsunade is not ready for. He blitzed P2 Kakashi... That speaks for itself.

3. He threads would probably pierce Tsunade inside and out from every angle. Don't care how much she can heal. She has a very clear limit like any other shinobi. No ninja is untouchable.

Further more, she is a close range fighter. On top of Kakuzu's extremely OP lightning techs, he has blast that are fully capable of pushing her back and/or stunning/killing. Tsunade cannot do much but summon Katsuyu to spit acid but Kakuzu has enough in his arsenal to defend.

Added bonus: Kakuzu can use several different elements at the same time while using EGF techs. All at the same time...

I am sorry but I do not see Tsunade winning this at all. Also Kakuzu arguably has highet IQ and more battle experience than Tsunade. Just don't see it.
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You are highly overhyping Tsunade's capabilities, my friend. And to insinuate she is faster than Kakuzu is absurd.
And to insinuate she is faster than Kakuzu is absurd.
I’m not insinuating she’s faster, I’m saying with full confidence that she is faster.

Also the Kakashi Kakazu fought is was weaker then war Kakashi. This Kakashi was said to be weaker then Tsunade by Jiriaya, as when Tsunade brought him up as her potential successor Jiriaya said Kakashi wasn’t ready yet, he still needed to get stronger.
 
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