[VS] KCM Kakashi vs Rinnegan Sasuke

KCM Kakashi vs Rinnegan Sasuke


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No kakashi is not quicker than kaguya he's nor absorbing anything.

Your logic is seriously flawed. Listen to yourself. Kcm chakra cloak is not stronger than juubi jin cloak. Neji got penetrated by a stick when shrouded with naruto's chakra so a sword can do the same to madara. Btw madara tanked naruto's yfrs if you looked at my link. You are underestimating chidori's penetration power.

His kamui can't work on something he can barely keep up with. Tracking something is one thing but using kamui is another. On top of that fast moving target, he has to use it on something as big as a ps. Lol he'll never get an attack on target let alone the whole susanoo. Juubi sized kamui? How did that fan fiction arise?

Sasuke's amaterasu, rinnegan shift are faster than kamui and his susanoo moves too fast for kakashi to get a hit in. Sasuke wins low diff.
 

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No kakashi is not quicker than kaguya he's nor absorbing anything.

Your logic is seriously flawed. Listen to yourself. Kcm chakra cloak is not stronger than juubi jin cloak. Neji got penetrated by a stick when shrouded with naruto's chakra so a sword can do the same to madara. Btw madara tanked naruto's yfrs if you looked at my link. You are underestimating chidori's penetration power.

His kamui can't work on something he can barely keep up with. Tracking something is one thing but using kamui is another. On top of that fast moving target, he has to use it on something as big as a ps. Lol he'll never get an attack on target let alone the whole susanoo. Juubi sized kamui? How did that fan fiction arise?

Sasuke's amaterasu, rinnegan shift are faster than kamui and his susanoo moves too fast for kakashi to get a hit in. Sasuke wins low diff.

go read this chapter again,neji has never had a cloack from naruto

naruto didnt give any one the cloack before niji’s death ,hinata was the first one to be given the cloack after niji’s death

chidori wasnt able to go through v1 ay ,jiubi country sized kirin wasnt able to go through the chakra cloack
i amnot understimating chidori but facts still facts

do you think ps is that fast that kakashi will barely keep with it??! lol
normal eye can track ps.,ps has no speed feats

yes ,kakashi with cloack can use jiubi sized kamui ,it is manga fact not fan fiction
kakashi with chakra cloack said he will make jiubi vanish (that means he was going to make kamui at whose range is at least as size as jiubi)and with much less chakra he warped the hachibi twice

kakashi was able to warp gedo arm which is bigger than ps head in less than a second,kamui isnt that slow

like i said huge kamui can be bigger than sasuke range

amatrasu will be absorbed by kamui
i didnt speak about the speed of amatrasu ,i just said that if kakashi was cought by amatrasu ,he would absorb it by kamui

kakashi wins
 

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All you guys think matters in a fight is strength, it isn't. Kakashi uses strength+smarts. Kakashi wins only because Sasuke is a cocky ass fool who thinks he can beat everyone. Kakashi is lots more smart then sasuke. KCM Cloaked Kakashi+his smarts beats Sasuke. And you guys think Sasuke can just simply teleport behind kakashi and kill him? Idiots. Kakashi wouldn't die like that. He'll use something called "substitution," look it up.

Kakashi wins.
 

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Why.............. Is.......................This...........................Even..........................Debatable

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go read this chapter again,neji has never had a cloack from naruto

naruto didnt give any one the cloack before niji’s death ,hinata was the first one to be given the cloack after niji’s death
Ok you're right but do you think it would have made a difference. Why should kurama's cloak be stronger than the juubi's cloak? C'mon man.

chidori wasnt able to go through v1 ay ,jiubi country sized kirin wasnt able to go through the chakra cloack
i amnot understimating chidori but facts still facts
You're comapring ms sasuke to rinnegan sasuke after he received power from the sage? Btw at the VOTE, sasuke pierced through naruto with his right hand while naruto was in 1 tail kyuubi mode. A chidori from current sasuke could penetrate a kcm cloak with ease. This is not debatable.

do you think ps is that fast that kakashi will barely keep with it??! lol
normal eye can track ps.,ps has no speed feats
No speed feats? I showed you a scan where sasuke made several cuts on a meteor before naruto's tbbfrs made contact with the other meteor. Also do you not realize how fast sasuke's susanoo flew so high up to cut the meteors and how fast it flew down to shield everyone from IT? Yes it is fast no kakashi won't keep up with it.

yes ,kakashi with cloack can use jiubi sized kamui ,it is manga fact not fan fiction
kakashi with chakra cloack said he will make jiubi vanish (that means he was going to make kamui at whose range is at least as size as jiubi)and with much less chakra he warped the hachibi twice

kakashi was able to warp gedo arm which is bigger than ps head in less than a second,kamui isnt that slow
saying it and doing it are two different things. Gedo mazo was still of course he can snipe it. He isn't going to snipe a moving target. Especially one that can . This is madara's ps so sasuke's would be even stronger so I'm sorry but kakashi won't even get to use kamui much less use kamui accurately.

like i said huge kamui can be bigger than sasuke range
bigger range than sasuke's ps sword slash which sliced through a meteor many times the size of a mountain? Like I said, kakashi won't even get to use kamui. Sasuke is too fast.

amatrasu will be absorbed by kamui
i didnt speak about the speed of amatrasu ,i just said that if kakashi was cought by amatrasu ,he would absorb it by kamui

kakashi wins
No. Once amaterasu hits it's gg. His body will be burning unless he can absorb it like kaguya or madara, but he can't. Also don't forget sasuke can manipulate the flames so his body will be burnt very quickly, quicker than kakashi can use kamui because he will be in so much pain. The only reason nagato survived was because he was an .

Why.............. Is.......................This...........................Even..........................Debatable

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I don't know man. I just don't know anymore...
 

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Are we seriously debating this shit? Kakashi has absolutely no chance. Sasuke just point blank blitzes him.
 

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OP is...

The general consensus is correct.
 

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Ok you're right but do you think it would have made a difference. Why should kurama's cloak be stronger than the juubi's cloak? C'mon man.

You're comapring ms sasuke to rinnegan sasuke after he received power from the sage? Btw at the VOTE, sasuke pierced through naruto with his right hand while naruto was in 1 tail kyuubi mode. A chidori from current sasuke could penetrate a kcm cloak with ease. This is not debatable.

No speed feats? I showed you a scan where sasuke made several cuts on a meteor before naruto's tbbfrs made contact with the other meteor. Also do you not realize how fast sasuke's susanoo flew so high up to cut the meteors and how fast it flew down to shield everyone from IT? Yes it is fast no kakashi won't keep up with it.

saying it and doing it are two different things. Gedo mazo was still of course he can snipe it. He isn't going to snipe a moving target. Especially one that can . This is madara's ps so sasuke's would be even stronger so I'm sorry but kakashi won't even get to use kamui much less use kamui accurately.

bigger range than sasuke's ps sword slash which sliced through a meteor many times the size of a mountain? Like I said, kakashi won't even get to use kamui. Sasuke is too fast.

No. Once amaterasu hits it's gg. His body will be burning unless he can absorb it like kaguya or madara, but he can't. Also don't forget sasuke can manipulate the flames so his body will be burnt very quickly, quicker than kakashi can use kamui because he will be in so much pain. The only reason nagato survived was because he was an .

I don't know man. I just don't know anymore...

yes the cloack would have made a deference
the cloack tanked country sized kirin from the jiubi ,jiubi sized katon and madara’s susano’s shurokins
do you think some wooden sticks will affect the cloack which wasnt affected by all that
and yes ,by feats chakra cloack is stronger than jubi cloack,actaully it looks like clothes more than chakra cloack
sasuke’s chidori cant go through this cloack unless you have a feats for it more than doing what a normal hand or sword did

dont compare part 1 naruto cloack ,it looks smaller and it is less chakra ,v2 cm sasuke’s wing wont do what jiubi’s country sized kirin couldnt do

sakura with normal eyes could watch ps and said wow

so saing kakashi with sharingan cant see ps is stupitidy and fan fiction

i meant. jiubi sized kamui is bigger than sasuke’s s/t range so sasuke wont be able to escape kamui by teleporting(that is if he could react to it)
acording to last chapter ,his jutsu has cool down ,that can make kakashi’s victory even easier

kakashi wont suffer a huge pain from amatrasu since he has the cloack ,amatrassu will take much time to go through it ,kakashi surly will be able to warp it away or teleport away
jiubiobito black stuff deleted amatrassu ,yet kamui was able to delete this black stuff,so why cant kamui delete amatrassu as well ?
 

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I guess you really want me to go into specifics.

Kakashi's Sharingan allow (well... allowed, thanks Kishimoto):

- Sharingan/MS precognition to have enhanced reflexes
- the ability to use Raikiri effectively against high level enemies
- Sharingan/MS genjutsu
- the ability to copy and preempt ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu
- the ability to warp himself to teleport from the real world in Kamui dimension and the opposite
- the ability to one-shot nearly every enemy he could ever face with Kamui, something that made him actually able to contend with nearly every ****ing character in the manga, no matter how strong and powerful

As already said, Kakashi has the exceptional feat to being able to fight on equal grounds, maybe even having the upper hand, with the strongest member of the Uchiha clan, wielding the same power, the Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan, but with the big handicap of not being an Uchiha in the first place. And as already said some really strong foes appreciated his dojustu prowess, not to mention that it earned Kakashi's moniker as "Sharingan's Kakashi" and "Copy Ninja" even before that he gained and perfected an asset like a Kamui-equipped Mangekyo Sharingan.

With a non perfected Kamui, as he couldn't control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission, Kakashi could use an Akatsuki like Deidara as his ***** and then was sure he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui.

Some Kamui execution feats:

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part in the same time (instant) Obito needs to make it intangible (39)(40)
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3 tomoe one (41)(42)
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time (43), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with space-time summoning jutsu (44) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it)
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's spikes could hit him, managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone (45)(46)(47). So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi (48). Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet) (49)(50) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara (51). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release who nullifies ninjutsu. So... Kamui GG > your favourite character, by feats, and even by hype and portrayal.

Kakashi has also showed that he can warp off from the Kamui dimension the things that he warps in, shooting them out as Obito does, so he can for example warp away a Bijuu Dama or a Jinton, and then re-warp quickly it and surprise the opponent with his own attack. Kakashi can also warp himself with the ability of teleport anywhere he wants, gaining a really useful ability for surprise attacks and for support purposes; for example, he can go to the other dimension, focus his chakra, and then use a giant-size Kamui with ease. Or simply have rest and then perform surprise attacks on his opponent.

Kakashi's Sharingan genjutsu is really strong, it's on par with Obito's as their fight shows, and Obito has some of the greatest genjutsu feats all over the series, as controlling Yaguya + Sanbi, controlling Kurama, keeping Fu and Torune under genjutsu for a long time, reading Konan's mind and maybe even killing her with mental trauma. Also part 1 Kakashi's genjutsu was strong enough to mind**** Zabuza and to make Itachi say that he could have resisted his Sharingan genjutsu, so he had to resort to his Mangekyo Sharingan's Tsukuyomi, having to willingly deplete his chakra and his eyesight without any second thought. Also Gai had to create a special fighting style against the Sharingan's genjutsu just to face Kakashi in their sparring battles.

First of all: remember that until after the chunin exams, part 1 Kakashi was a lot out of shape (52)(53). So what he did to that moment... he could do it much better.

Kakashi has been portrayed as a speedster since his childhood (54), even by Minato himself who acknowledged him as such (55). Child Kakashi before Sharingan could go toe on toe with experienced jonin in taijutsu (56), with two tomoe Sharingan could blitz jonin and rip them in half with Chidori (57).

With a mere kunai in his hand, Kakashi could stop the swing of Zabuza's Kubikirihocho sword (58); he also showed great taijutsu skill (59)(60)(61) and we know that he has always been sparring with the absolute master of taijutsu, Maito Gai. Part 1 Kakashi could also dodge and blitz Zabuza several times (62)(63)(64)(65); if you want to say "well but Zabuza lost his mind at that moment" I think it's true just on a certain point, remember that Kakashi was out of shape, first thing, but was also really exhausted at that point. Kakashi could open at least the 1st Gate (66), powering up his speed and strength, already on really good levels. With a really high level of speed and Sharingan precog, even if he had low stamina, Shunshin + Raikiri was already a S-rank trouble... and in Shippuden with Kakashi's speed feats it became a really dangerous enemy just with the use of his Sharingan, physical speed and Raiton-enhanced CQC.

Beginning of Shippuden Kakashi can easily handle a Shoten Itachi (30% of Itachi's chakra but perfectly equal skills in taijutsu, speed, everything) in a CQC battle, even using a Kage Bunshin. Shippuden Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (where, even with an injured arm, he was taking care of him with ease using just a mere kunai against his scythe), keeping up with Kakuzu's masks and taking an eye on team 10 (67)(68)(69) ... and right after that quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with Raikiri, saving team 10's asses (70). With a little distraction, Kakashi could blitz Kakuzu who didn't even perceive his fast attack (71), even if we know that Kakuzu has so fine reflexes and perception skills that he can perceive Shikamaru's Kagemane (who obviously doesn't make any noise) approaching his back (72). It's worth note that Kakashi attacked so fast that even Hidan and the team 10 members, who were facing Kakuzu and so had free sight of what was happening behind him, were completely surprised. Kakashi could nearly blitz Asura Path with his raw speed, dodging his attacks and appearing at his back (73)(74). Kakashi is so fast that he was paced two times with Gated Gai (75) and managed to counterblitz the V2 who were ganbanging KCM Naruto and Bee landing Raikiri on them (76). Kakashi, right after regaining his mindset, outreacted and outspeeded Obito (77)(78) who had the same physical speed of no Shunshin KCM Naruto (79). Kakashi was also called fast by Obito when he quickly appeared at his back (80). Kakashi also proved to be faster and better in CQC than Obito more than once (81)(82)(83). Kakashi could also canonically move and react at least on par with Minato in physical speed (84)

Kakashi tanked like nothing a surprise Domu-enhanced kick from Kakuzu that send him flying for metres away and breaking some giant trees, or a couple of Shinra Tensei, and didn't lose consciousness even from the 3rd, as Choza (one who could jump in between Asuma' Katon ash ninjutsu like a boss) did. Kakashi also fought a lot of times with wounds and injuries without his performance being hindered. Kakashi can also wield the Kubikirihocho with just one hand with great skill and for hours, and his physical strength is so high to make Obito internally bleed with just a couple of punches. Also as said before he can stop a Kubikirihocho swing with a mere and small kunai.

Part 1 Kakashi couldn't follow Itachi's fast jutsu execution, but he could react to it showing great execution speed too, and he could perfectly understand and counter his combo (85), something that Hebi Sasuke couldn't do: sick Itachi could make a KB while exchanging shuriken with Sasuke and Sasuke didn't see it, and later was surprised (86); a more healthy Itachi tried to feint and surprise Kakashi with bushinjutsu, but Kakashi reacted and countered with his own bushinjutsu (Kisame also noted that Kakashi was fighting pretty well) and then even understood who was the true Itachi and who was the clone (87), wasting his opportunity to attack to save Kurenai from Bunshin Daibakuha. Part 1 Kakashi's reflexes and jutsu skills were above the ones of Hebi Sasuke in Shippuden and we know how fast and reflexive Sasuke was.

Shippuden Kakashi showed astonishing reactions in the Kakuzu/Hidan fight, against Pain, against Sasuke's Susanoo and then in the War Arc. Kakashi tracked KCM and BM Naruto's speed and insta-Kamui'd his attacks in the same time that Obito used his intangibilty (chap. 596), or manage to fool him in mere instants (re-read 598), these are some crazy feats. He can canonically react at least on par with Minato (88) but seemed even better than Yondaime, if we account that here (89) Minato is hit two times (in between his sliced arm is also kicked away) without being able to react and Hiraishin away, but Kakashi, even if he could absolutely not be prepared for what happened and was clearly surprised, could activate and execute Kamui in a millisecond, warping away Minato's Rasengan countered by Madara (90), and that Kakashi, even in an exhausted state, could perceive and mentally react to Juudara's speed (while Minato couldn't, if he could have he would have activated Hiraishin to teleport away) (91).

Kakashi is said to be smarter than Shikamaru (92) and the best in analyzing skills (93). He outsmarted people like Zabuza, Itachi (for his own admission (94)), Pain and Obito, who had to recognise his smartness (95) and quick thinking and acting (96). He is one of the smartest ninja in the series, arguably the smartest one.

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I guess you really want me to go into specifics.

Kakashi's Sharingan allow (well... allowed, thanks Kishimoto):

- Sharingan/MS precognition to have enhanced reflexes
- the ability to use Raikiri effectively against high level enemies
- Sharingan/MS genjutsu
- the ability to copy and preempt ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu
- the ability to warp himself to teleport from the real world in Kamui dimension and the opposite
- the ability to one-shot nearly every enemy he could ever face with Kamui, something that made him actually able to contend with nearly every ****ing character in the manga, no matter how strong and powerful

As already said, Kakashi has the exceptional feat to being able to fight on equal grounds, maybe even having the upper hand, with the strongest member of the Uchiha clan, wielding the same power, the Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan, but with the big handicap of not being an Uchiha in the first place. And as already said some really strong foes appreciated his dojustu prowess, not to mention that it earned Kakashi's moniker as "Sharingan's Kakashi" and "Copy Ninja" even before that he gained and perfected an asset like a Kamui-equipped Mangekyo Sharingan.

With a non perfected Kamui, as he couldn't control the size and the position of the space-time barrier for his own admission, Kakashi could use an Akatsuki like Deidara as his ***** and then was sure he could have defeated another one like Kakuzu. Some time after, Kakashi was even willing to fight Tobi, believed as the legendary Madara Uchiha, with Kamui.

Some Kamui execution feats:

- Kakashi can canonically warp a human body part in the same time (instant) Obito needs to make it intangible (39)(40)
- Kakashi warps away two Susanoo arrows when both are already at half their way and his Sharingan was still the 3 tomoe one (41)(42)
- Kakashi warps away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara really in no time (43), Minato's arm kicked from Madara was hella fast if we think that Minato's body (obviously heavier and so less fast of the arm) went on Gaara so fast that his auto-defense couldn't activate in time
- Kakashi warps away a giant arm of the Gedo Mazo while Madara is already summoning it away with space-time summoning jutsu (44) (Minato couldn't do anything in that situation than ask Kakashi taking care of it)
- Kakashi feints to warp Naruto's Rasengan and then insta-warps away his body before Obito's spikes could hit him, managing to make Obito think that Kakashi missed and he succesfully hit the clone (45)(46)(47). So Kakashi can Kamui away human head sized objects in a more or less instant time and even with fast moving objects/people and unpredictable situations. And he can Kamui away human body sized objects in also nearly istant times, and even giant objects. Thanks to the Kurama's chakra supply from Naruto, Kakashi's Kamui was depicted as a dangerous threat for even the Juubi (48). Just read what is said from databook about Kakashi's Kamui (and that was when it wasn't perfected yet) (49)(50) and what Kakashi says after having faced the Rinnegan and being against one believed to be Uchiha Madara (51). Kakashi's Kamui warped away even Juubi's jinchuriki Madara's Onmyoton Release who nullifies ninjutsu. So... Kamui GG > your favourite character, by feats, and even by hype and portrayal.

Kakashi has also showed that he can warp off from the Kamui dimension the things that he warps in, shooting them out as Obito does, so he can for example warp away a Bijuu Dama or a Jinton, and then re-warp quickly it and surprise the opponent with his own attack. Kakashi can also warp himself with the ability of teleport anywhere he wants, gaining a really useful ability for surprise attacks and for support purposes; for example, he can go to the other dimension, focus his chakra, and then use a giant-size Kamui with ease. Or simply have rest and then perform surprise attacks on his opponent.

Kakashi's Sharingan genjutsu is really strong, it's on par with Obito's as their fight shows, and Obito has some of the greatest genjutsu feats all over the series, as controlling Yaguya + Sanbi, controlling Kurama, keeping Fu and Torune under genjutsu for a long time, reading Konan's mind and maybe even killing her with mental trauma. Also part 1 Kakashi's genjutsu was strong enough to mind**** Zabuza and to make Itachi say that he could have resisted his Sharingan genjutsu, so he had to resort to his Mangekyo Sharingan's Tsukuyomi, having to willingly deplete his chakra and his eyesight without any second thought. Also Gai had to create a special fighting style against the Sharingan's genjutsu just to face Kakashi in their sparring battles.

First of all: remember that until after the chunin exams, part 1 Kakashi was a lot out of shape (52)(53). So what he did to that moment... he could do it much better.

Kakashi has been portrayed as a speedster since his childhood (54), even by Minato himself who acknowledged him as such (55). Child Kakashi before Sharingan could go toe on toe with experienced jonin in taijutsu (56), with two tomoe Sharingan could blitz jonin and rip them in half with Chidori (57).

With a mere kunai in his hand, Kakashi could stop the swing of Zabuza's Kubikirihocho sword (58); he also showed great taijutsu skill (59)(60)(61) and we know that he has always been sparring with the absolute master of taijutsu, Maito Gai. Part 1 Kakashi could also dodge and blitz Zabuza several times (62)(63)(64)(65); if you want to say "well but Zabuza lost his mind at that moment" I think it's true just on a certain point, remember that Kakashi was out of shape, first thing, but was also really exhausted at that point. Kakashi could open at least the 1st Gate (66), powering up his speed and strength, already on really good levels. With a really high level of speed and Sharingan precog, even if he had low stamina, Shunshin + Raikiri was already a S-rank trouble... and in Shippuden with Kakashi's speed feats it became a really dangerous enemy just with the use of his Sharingan, physical speed and Raiton-enhanced CQC.

Beginning of Shippuden Kakashi can easily handle a Shoten Itachi (30% of Itachi's chakra but perfectly equal skills in taijutsu, speed, everything) in a CQC battle, even using a Kage Bunshin. Shippuden Kakashi could dodge a forest-destroying attack (Kakuzu's Fuuton: Atsugai) at point blank and with his attention divided by the taijutsu fight against Hidan (where, even with an injured arm, he was taking care of him with ease using just a mere kunai against his scythe), keeping up with Kakuzu's masks and taking an eye on team 10 (67)(68)(69) ... and right after that quickly intercept Kakuzu's fast Raiton ninjutsu with Raikiri, saving team 10's asses (70). With a little distraction, Kakashi could blitz Kakuzu who didn't even perceive his fast attack (71), even if we know that Kakuzu has so fine reflexes and perception skills that he can perceive Shikamaru's Kagemane (who obviously doesn't make any noise) approaching his back (72). It's worth note that Kakashi attacked so fast that even Hidan and the team 10 members, who were facing Kakuzu and so had free sight of what was happening behind him, were completely surprised. Kakashi could nearly blitz Asura Path with his raw speed, dodging his attacks and appearing at his back (73)(74). Kakashi is so fast that he was paced two times with Gated Gai (75) and managed to counterblitz the V2 who were ganbanging KCM Naruto and Bee landing Raikiri on them (76). Kakashi, right after regaining his mindset, outreacted and outspeeded Obito (77)(78) who had the same physical speed of no Shunshin KCM Naruto (79). Kakashi was also called fast by Obito when he quickly appeared at his back (80). Kakashi also proved to be faster and better in CQC than Obito more than once (81)(82)(83). Kakashi could also canonically move and react at least on par with Minato in physical speed (84)

Kakashi tanked like nothing a surprise Domu-enhanced kick from Kakuzu that send him flying for metres away and breaking some giant trees, or a couple of Shinra Tensei, and didn't lose consciousness even from the 3rd, as Choza (one who could jump in between Asuma' Katon ash ninjutsu like a boss) did. Kakashi also fought a lot of times with wounds and injuries without his performance being hindered. Kakashi can also wield the Kubikirihocho with just one hand with great skill and for hours, and his physical strength is so high to make Obito internally bleed with just a couple of punches. Also as said before he can stop a Kubikirihocho swing with a mere and small kunai.

Part 1 Kakashi couldn't follow Itachi's fast jutsu execution, but he could react to it showing great execution speed too, and he could perfectly understand and counter his combo (85), something that Hebi Sasuke couldn't do: sick Itachi could make a KB while exchanging shuriken with Sasuke and Sasuke didn't see it, and later was surprised (86); a more healthy Itachi tried to feint and surprise Kakashi with bushinjutsu, but Kakashi reacted and countered with his own bushinjutsu (Kisame also noted that Kakashi was fighting pretty well) and then even understood who was the true Itachi and who was the clone (87), wasting his opportunity to attack to save Kurenai from Bunshin Daibakuha. Part 1 Kakashi's reflexes and jutsu skills were above the ones of Hebi Sasuke in Shippuden and we know how fast and reflexive Sasuke was.

Shippuden Kakashi showed astonishing reactions in the Kakuzu/Hidan fight, against Pain, against Sasuke's Susanoo and then in the War Arc. Kakashi tracked KCM and BM Naruto's speed and insta-Kamui'd his attacks in the same time that Obito used his intangibilty (chap. 596), or manage to fool him in mere instants (re-read 598), these are some crazy feats. He can canonically react at least on par with Minato (88) but seemed even better than Yondaime, if we account that here (89) Minato is hit two times (in between his sliced arm is also kicked away) without being able to react and Hiraishin away, but Kakashi, even if he could absolutely not be prepared for what happened and was clearly surprised, could activate and execute Kamui in a millisecond, warping away Minato's Rasengan countered by Madara (90), and that Kakashi, even in an exhausted state, could perceive and mentally react to Juudara's speed (while Minato couldn't, if he could have he would have activated Hiraishin to teleport away) (91).

Kakashi is said to be smarter than Shikamaru (92) and the best in analyzing skills (93). He outsmarted people like Zabuza, Itachi (for his own admission (94)), Pain and Obito, who had to recognise his smartness (95) and quick thinking and acting (96). He is one of the smartest ninja in the series, arguably the smartest one.

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Ok you're right but do you think it would have made a difference. Why should kurama's cloak be stronger than the juubi's cloak? C'mon man.

You're comapring ms sasuke to rinnegan sasuke after he received power from the sage? Btw at the VOTE, sasuke pierced through naruto with his right hand while naruto was in 1 tail kyuubi mode. A chidori from current sasuke could penetrate a kcm cloak with ease. This is not debatable.

No speed feats? I showed you a scan where sasuke made several cuts on a meteor before naruto's tbbfrs made contact with the other meteor. Also do you not realize how fast sasuke's susanoo flew so high up to cut the meteors and how fast it flew down to shield everyone from IT? Yes it is fast no kakashi won't keep up with it.

saying it and doing it are two different things. Gedo mazo was still of course he can snipe it. He isn't going to snipe a moving target. Especially one that can . This is madara's ps so sasuke's would be even stronger so I'm sorry but kakashi won't even get to use kamui much less use kamui accurately.

bigger range than sasuke's ps sword slash which sliced through a meteor many times the size of a mountain? Like I said, kakashi won't even get to use kamui. Sasuke is too fast.

No. Once amaterasu hits it's gg. His body will be burning unless he can absorb it like kaguya or madara, but he can't. Also don't forget sasuke can manipulate the flames so his body will be burnt very quickly, quicker than kakashi can use kamui because he will be in so much pain. The only reason nagato survived was because he was an .

I don't know man. I just don't know anymore...

the moment amaterasu is on kakashi sasuke can even switch it up and . thats practically gg. match up is non debateable, i guess the kamui wank never ends.
 

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the moment amaterasu is on kakashi sasuke can even switch it up and . thats practically gg. match up is non debateable, i guess the kamui wank never ends.

amatrasu hasnt enough feats to go through chakra cloack as fast as you think ,while it is on kakashi,he will just warp it away or teleport
 

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the moment amaterasu is on kakashi sasuke can even switch it up and . thats practically gg. match up is non debateable, i guess the kamui wank never ends.

So does this mean you didn't read my wall of text? Well, I can't take your arguements seriously when you don't even provide evidence to back up your claims, which is the exact opposite of what I did.
 

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yes the cloack would have made a deference
the cloack tanked country sized kirin from the jiubi ,jiubi sized katon and madara’s susano’s shurokins
do you think some wooden sticks will affect the cloack which wasnt affected by all that
Speaking of .
and yes ,by feats chakra cloack is stronger than jubi cloack,actaully it looks like clothes more than chakra cloack
sasuke’s chidori cant go through this cloack unless you have a feats for it more than doing what a normal hand or sword did
Ok let's go through this slowly:
Naruto gets the chakra cloak from the kyuubi correct?
The kyuubi was originally part of the juubi right? The kyuubi is the result of the juubi being split into 9 parts plus a gedo mazo.
Now logically the juubi or the juubi jin should have a stronger cloak? So how the HELL do you think the kyuubi (only a small part of the original shinju) provides a stronger chakra cloak than the juubi?
Madara tanked a yfrs which split the fuking god tree. Yet chidori bisected him like nothing. So sasuke's sage enhanced chidori can most definitely cut through naruto's current cloak let alone a kcm cloak ROFL.


dont compare part 1 naruto cloack ,it looks smaller and it is less chakra ,v2 cm sasuke’s wing wont do what jiubi’s country sized kirin couldnt do
Yea vs cm won't do damage but sage enhanced chidori will. Just because you haven't seen it done, doesn't mean it can't happen lol. If it did, naruto would have died a long time ago so using feats as an argument and saying it tanked everything is utterly ridiculous.

sakura with normal eyes could watch ps and said wow

so saing kakashi with sharingan cant see ps is stupitidy and fan fiction
He can look at it, but can he use kamui on it? Also ps was flying up, what if it zigzags? There is no way kakashi can keep kamui active on a target that's sending a barrage of sword strikes at him.

i meant. jiubi sized kamui is bigger than sasuke’s s/t range so sasuke wont be able to escape kamui by teleporting(that is if he could react to it)
acording to last chapter ,his jutsu has cool down ,that can make kakashi’s victory even easier
Cool down before it's been used? No. Sasuke doesn't need to escape he can send a susanoo sword shockwave and gg kakashi.

kakashi wont suffer a huge pain from amatrasu since he has the cloack ,amatrassu will take much time to go through it ,kakashi surly will be able to warp it away or teleport away
jiubiobito black stuff deleted amatrassu ,yet kamui was able to delete this black stuff,so why cant kamui delete amatrassu as well ?
No amaterasu will definitely finish him off. Flesh would be burnt before he can activate kamui. Also a kcm cloak is not tanking amaterasu when the took damage from the attack. What, it wasn't wearing a kcm cloak? juubi>kyuubi>kcm.

amatrasu hasnt enough feats to go through chakra cloack as fast as you think ,while it is on kakashi,he will just warp it away or teleport
Burned the juubi pretty badly.

the moment amaterasu is on kakashi sasuke can even switch it up and . thats practically gg. match up is non debateable, i guess the kamui wank never ends.
Good point but don't you know, while kakashi is being burnt alive, as long as the eye is intact, he can use kamui on the flames and on sasuke and his vital organs will magically appear again when he uses kamui to steal it from sasuke.
 

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Speaking of .
Ok let's go through this slowly:
Naruto gets the chakra cloak from the kyuubi correct?
The kyuubi was originally part of the juubi right? The kyuubi is the result of the juubi being split into 9 parts plus a gedo mazo.
Now logically the juubi or the juubi jin should have a stronger cloak? So how the HELL do you think the kyuubi (only a small part of the original shinju) provides a stronger chakra cloak than the juubi?
Madara tanked a yfrs which split the fuking god tree. Yet chidori bisected him like nothing. So sasuke's sage enhanced chidori can most definitely cut through naruto's current cloak let alone a kcm cloak ROFL.


Yea vs cm won't do damage but sage enhanced chidori will. Just because you haven't seen it done, doesn't mean it can't happen lol. If it did, naruto would have died a long time ago so using feats as an argument and saying it tanked everything is utterly ridiculous.

He can look at it, but can he use kamui on it? Also ps was flying up, what if it zigzags? There is no way kakashi can keep kamui active on a target that's sending a barrage of sword strikes at him.

Cool down before it's been used? No. Sasuke doesn't need to escape he can send a susanoo sword shockwave and gg kakashi.

No amaterasu will definitely finish him off. Flesh would be burnt before he can activate kamui. Also a kcm cloak is not tanking amaterasu when the took damage from the attack. What, it wasn't wearing a kcm cloak? juubi>kyuubi>kcm.

Burned the juubi pretty badly.

Good point but don't you know, while kakashi is being burnt alive, as long as the eye is intact, he can use kamui on the flames and on sasuke and his vital organs will magically appear again when he uses kamui to steal it from sasuke.
Still waiting for you to read my wall of text and counter them.

Yes, the Juubi did not have a cloak. It made contact with it's flesh. If it had a cloak, it would not have taken effect.

Lel. You acting like Amaterasu burns in a millisecond. A samurai had enough time to get his clothes taken off.

You acting like Kakashi's MS can't keep his eye on a Susanoo is also very funny. He can watch it and activate Kamui at the same time. His Kamui speed feats are better than your Sasuke Susanoo wank which got one-shouted by Kaguya and only sliced meteors. Boy, slicing meteors must be really hard in NV. Sasuke also was never explicitly stated to have blitzed Madara using only foot speed. He could have teleported. Want to use logic?

Kakashi Kamui's inside of Kamuiland. Makes a clone, Kamui's out with clone making a Raikiri chain. Cuts straight through Susanoo.
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Still waiting for you to read my wall of text and counter them.

Yes, the Juubi did not have a cloak. It made contact with it's flesh. If it had a cloak, it would not have taken effect.

Lel. You acting like Amaterasu burns in a millisecond. A samurai had enough time to get his clothes taken off.

You acting like Kakashi's MS can't keep his eye on a Susanoo is also very funny. He can watch it and activate Kamui at the same time. His Kamui speed feats are better than your Sasuke Susanoo wank which got one-shouted by Kaguya and only sliced meteors. Boy, slicing meteors must be really hard in NV. Sasuke also was never explicitly stated to have blitzed Madara using only foot speed. He could have teleported. Want to use logic?

Kakashi Kamui's inside of Kamuiland. Makes a clone, Kamui's out with clone making a Raikiri chain. Cuts straight through Susanoo.
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This whole post became laughable after you said Raikiri can some how cut through Susanoo.

Sorry to rain on your parade mate, but Raikiri cut through "anything" is Hyperbole.​
 

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Speaking of .
Ok let's go through this slowly:
Naruto gets the chakra cloak from the kyuubi correct?
The kyuubi was originally part of the juubi right? The kyuubi is the result of the juubi being split into 9 parts plus a gedo mazo.
Now logically the juubi or the juubi jin should have a stronger cloak? So how the HELL do you think the kyuubi (only a small part of the original shinju) provides a stronger chakra cloak than the juubi?
Madara tanked a yfrs which split the fuking god tree. Yet chidori bisected him like nothing. So sasuke's sage enhanced chidori can most definitely cut through naruto's current cloak let alone a kcm cloak ROFL.


Yea vs cm won't do damage but sage enhanced chidori will. Just because you haven't seen it done, doesn't mean it can't happen lol. If it did, naruto would have died a long time ago so using feats as an argument and saying it tanked everything is utterly ridiculous.

He can look at it, but can he use kamui on it? Also ps was flying up, what if it zigzags? There is no way kakashi can keep kamui active on a target that's sending a barrage of sword strikes at him.

Cool down before it's been used? No. Sasuke doesn't need to escape he can send a susanoo sword shockwave and gg kakashi.

No amaterasu will definitely finish him off. Flesh would be burnt before he can activate kamui. Also a kcm cloak is not tanking amaterasu when the took damage from the attack. What, it wasn't wearing a kcm cloak? juubi>kyuubi>kcm.

Burned the juubi pretty badly.

Good point but don't you know, while kakashi is being burnt alive, as long as the eye is intact, he can use kamui on the flames and on sasuke and his vital organs will magically appear again when he uses kamui to steal it from sasuke.

i wont repeat my words ,give me enough feats for sasuke’s chidori more than doing what obito’s hand did

amatrasu burns slowly not as you think ,the samurai survived after he had his armor taken off ,and he wasnt damaged ,amatrasu couldnt even burn the armor at this time,kakashi will surly have the enough time to warp it and since he has the cloack he can dure the pain for more time ,amatrasu will take some time before burning the cloack
jiubi was caught by amatrasu but it hasnt burned him instantly as you say ,he just throw it away with the part which was caught,give me scan of amatrasu’s burning jiubi into ashes lol ,amatrasu was dealed with it more than once after being hit by it
you talk like kamui is one of slowest attacks in the series,sasuke wont be able to make shoke wave while being warped ,his ps head will be warped as fast as kakashi warped the gedo arm in less than a second or even faster ,then the rest of susano can be warped too
 
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