Vivi Will Eventually Join the StrawHats
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NarutoVsGoku
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thats a promise itself.
you agreed that the SH would not decline her to join. And you agree that they will meet in the future. you agreed that the SH would have her join when they meet in the future.
so with that what can we conclude? in the future SH will meet Vivi again. We both agreed to that. and when they meet the SH will want her to join, and have her join. we both agree to that. so what is stopping her from joinging in the future?
She declined the first invitation because to help rebuild her country but after the time of being off stage with the 2 year timeskip theres plenty of time for the country to have been rebuilt. and Vivi had intentions to join ever since she declined the first offer. she declined the first offer and asked to be permitted to join the next time they meet. logically she asked to be permitted to join because she intends to join. whats the purpose of asking to join in the future if she has no intentions of joining?
Jinbe can fight because of misogynists and battlewhores is not an arguement. your appealing to the masses, to the guys who would want Jinbe to join. ad populum. just cause alot of people want Jinbe to join doesnt mean he will.
Jinbe has helped Luffy and but Vivi helped the group as well. She pleaded for Nami to get medical attention before going to Alabasta, saving Namis life. She aided the SH in Alabasta since she knew the country. She seeked Sanji who helped rescue Luffy and others being freed. but most importantly is not comparing how JInbe or Vivi helped Luffy, they both were helped by Luffy as well mind you but most important thing is not who helped who. its that Luffy has a friendship with both Jinbe and Vivi and because of this friendship he asked them to join his crew.
no one here is bitching. like i said if you dont want to than gtfo. 3 times i said that to you. i dont need your input but if you want to comment in this thread than put up an arguement.
put up or shut up..
but im sure you will put up..
aashish1996
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Dude, the straw hats are going to be in the New World. Why would they return just to get vivi as a nakama? Besides, she is a princess and probably close to marrying kohza or whatever his name is. I doubt she would leave him. Not to be mean or anything
The thing is, I don't see how vivi can attribute to the Straw Hats' force or anything in general.
Also, Alabasta is the other way, they're just about to exit Fishmen Islands, I don't see how Vivi will be able to get to them.
Also, Alabasta is the other way, they're just about to exit Fishmen Islands, I don't see how Vivi will be able to get to them.
Amanwithnoplan
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I see what you did there.
OT:
1. The promise she made wasn't so much about her becoming a pirate, but retaining her friends, despite the different paths they walk. Of course, she would love to join them, but she is a reasonable person. She wanted to know if they would still be her friends when the met again. Which of course they would be.
2. Luffy would never reject her.
3. Jinbei didn't join because of the whole Big Mam situation. But the way that is turning out, as shown in the last chapter, he is probably going to join the SH's very soon.
Anyway, very unlikely she ever joins the Strawhats.
I really hope so... Actually I was expecting her to show up in Sabody, and was really disappointed when she didn't... Maybe she's on her way... That would also make sence: They first met her at the start of the grand line, and will meet her back at the start of the New world...
Anyway, counting her plus Jimbei, that makes the 10 people crew Luffy wanted.
Anyway, counting her plus Jimbei, that makes the 10 people crew Luffy wanted.
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EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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This silly debate needs to stop and you need to learn how to use different arguments. Every time I see you in debate it's like you ignore everything and just keep repeating the same thing. Anyway here goes :
Here is her so called invitation. Not once did they asked her to join or the captain himself asked her to join like he always does it with any other Straw Hat. They only asked her to come along.
Here's Jinbe's invitation. Invited by captain as any other Straw Hats member.
Now here's Jinbe's temporary refusal and promise to join later as soon as he takes care of his duty which we are aware of by now.
Here's Vivi's so called "promise". Actually, there's no promise and she only asks if they will still be friends. You can interpretate that as an promise but that's only your own opinion and not a fact that you can keep wanking over.
tl;dr this page here ends this debate :
Do you have an undying desicion?
I hope you understand what that means and what relevance does it have to Vivi's decision? I mean this fact alone says that Vivi will never join. Close this thread now.
Here is her so called invitation. Not once did they asked her to join or the captain himself asked her to join like he always does it with any other Straw Hat. They only asked her to come along.
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Here's Jinbe's invitation. Invited by captain as any other Straw Hats member.
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Now here's Jinbe's temporary refusal and promise to join later as soon as he takes care of his duty which we are aware of by now.
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Here's Vivi's so called "promise". Actually, there's no promise and she only asks if they will still be friends. You can interpretate that as an promise but that's only your own opinion and not a fact that you can keep wanking over.
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tl;dr this page here ends this debate :
Do you have an undying desicion?
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I hope you understand what that means and what relevance does it have to Vivi's decision? I mean this fact alone says that Vivi will never join. Close this thread now.
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She is such a big liability on that ship. The whole crew needs to hold a constant eye out to her. She is bound to get kidnapped or assasinated. All she can do is swing her yoyo's and ride a duck. She was already out of her league before the timeskip. Remember she started crying after seeing how easily Luffy, Sanji and Zoro beat up the bananacrocodiles ? While sh couldn't put a scratch on one of them.
The only way she can support the Strawhats is from behind the scene without the world knowing she is a nakama. She has friends in high places and probably a lot of money. I doubt she will ever be a crewmember.
Crewmember: No
Nakama: of course
The only way she can support the Strawhats is from behind the scene without the world knowing she is a nakama. She has friends in high places and probably a lot of money. I doubt she will ever be a crewmember.
Crewmember: No
Nakama: of course
Boa Hancock
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No, that's you using A>B>C Naruto logic. Let's use C>A>B>C One Piece logic shall we.
> SH wouldn't turn her down if she decides to join
> They will meet in the future
> Doesn't equal to joining since all she said was "Will you still consider me nakama" on their farewell
There's no promise there, whether verbal or contractual.
Nothing's stopping her from joining. It's just that there's no concrete reason for her to join as of yet, and in the immediate future.
Luffy asked a zombie tree if it could join. Was there a purpose in asking?
Vivi had no intentions to join in the first place. The reason why she was wavering was because she had come to love the Strawhats and the sea in the first place. Exploring and adventuring is exciting, but she had a duty first and foremost, and that is to Alabasta, to make up for the time she spent with the Baroque Works and the antagonistic attitude the citizens had against the kingdom. 2 years for a country to be completely rebuilt is rather fictional, Japan took a minimum of 5 years just to get back economically after World War 2.
And of course you're twisting my words or misunderstanding me again. I said Jinbe being able to fight is one of the main reasons many people want him to join, the misogynists and battlewhores phrase was me implying disapproval to the negative behavior of the fanbase against Shirahoshi and Vivi, and there is no appealing to the masses as so you put it.
She never helped in a really concrete way if you look at it.
What has she done that can be on par with what Jinbe has done? What can she offer that Jinbe cannot? I don't like Jinbe joining as much as the next Shira or Vivi supporter, but it's times like this that the head is used, not the heart or loins, whichever you prefer.
I don't base getting nakama on functions or fighting power. Usopp couldn't fight at first, and archaeologist isn't a real ship position.
Vivi is going to the Reverie that will happen on Mariejoa which is on top of Fishman Island.
Boa Hancock
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She's a named agent, meaning she's worked in assassination missions before and had success hence her promotion. She's better than Alabasta Usopp and Nami.
I like Vivi. How dare you say she's a liability?
Lol, all in good faith.
EternalMangekyouRinnegan
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She had lower rank than Usopp's or Nami's enemies who were both stronger than her and they both performed better than her.
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Boa Hancock
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Usopp had Chopper's help.
Nami's fights are dripping in CIS and PIS, not really an argument.
NarutoVsGoku
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lol why do you waste my time? "what you gonna do?" lol do you want me to do something? huh? is there something you want me to do cuz thats twice you asked that.
whether feel like it or not, or care or not, or think that she will or not, i dont care. what matters to me is if you put up an arguement.
but for real stop wasting my time and yours with your pointless comments. your sarcasm and tough guy act is not proving or disproving Vivi will join the SH.
i never said they would make a U turn to pick her up. besides theres a chance they can meet her in the new world. theres a chance they can meet her somewhere else. the SH promised to meet Laboon. do you deny this will happen? anyways i think you missed the point in that this is all based in whenever the SH meet Vivi in the future.
and what you say can happen and might happen but than agian it may not. nothing really is to say that she is anywhere near to marrying, unless you can support this using the manga.
Vivi was extremely weak compared to all the SH 2 years prior. Ussop and Nami were stronger than her, forget Luffy or Zoro. but she still held considerable strength being an BW agent and it is possible she has gotten alot stronger over time.
we already know SH plan to make a 2nd trip around grandline. they plan on meeting Laboon again. and when they make that second trip they can meet up Vivi again. idk what will happen but the point is she intends to join them the next time they meet so why wouldnt she join if she made a promise?
i addressed this already. it wasnt a promise of holding onto their friendship. is was a promise to join the crew. i will post what i said before to someone else about what she promised.
2. agreed. so its up to Vivi whether to join or not right? and she promised to join the next time they met so that is only a forshadow of her actually joining.
3. Jinbe and Vivi both have their personal reasons for not joining at the time of being invited but both promised to join in the future if permitted by the SH. Jinbe might be soon but Vivi could be later on.
i hope so too actually. and yea her and JInbe would make the 10 Luffy wanted.
2 years prior she was a big liability. she may not be when we see her again. look at the amount of growth Coby went through during off screen appearance. look at how the SH grew during the time skip. if she kept in mind of how weak she was compared to the SH during alabasta and used that as motivation to be stronger than whos to say she didnt become as strong as Nami or something?
why do you doubt it?
Yeah I'd like to see what you're capable of because I already told you in your previous thread my answer.
You're wasting your own time. I have plenty of it.
I'm not trying to prove anything. She isn't going to join as a Crew member.
She'll become an ally.
aashish1996
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What will be her position anyway in the ship? There are big roles for everybody in the Straw Hat Pirates and they all have dreams except maybe jimbei but we don't know that yet. Vivi's job is to protect her kingdom. What good will it be to her country if she is out fighting for her life, anyway?
I agree with Love Cook. She will be a nakama but not a crew-member. Let's just leave it at that.
I agree with Love Cook. She will be a nakama but not a crew-member. Let's just leave it at that.
NarutoVsGoku
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she asks "will you take me as your friend (nakama)?" Luffy and others are the ones who decided to take her in in the first place. What would make them feel any different in the future? if they still decided to take her in, she would surely join since she asks if the invitation would still be open in the future. she asks "will you take me as your friend" because she intends to join in the future.
its only foreshadowing the future events
their was no concrete reason for the SH to even ask her to join the first time. there was no concrete reason to have ussop join until it was revealed he was a talented with aiming canons, painting pirate flags and exceptional at repairing Merry. there was no concrete reason for Robin to join until she showed she had great knowledge and information about history and political affairs. what is Zoro's concrete reason for joining besides being a great fighter? all he does is sleep, train, drink sake and gets lost.
anyways theres really no real pattern on how one becomes a SH. all the crew joined in very unique ways. some because of a skill they had, some because they befriended the SH, some because Luffy found them to be "a good person" and Robin just forced her way in pretty much.
lol this just proves my point above. no there is no purpose and alot of times there isnt! but the purpose is revealed later on by Oda. saying "Vivi has no purpose of joining" means nothing because Oda could very well create a purpose we never saw coming. i hate to use the "the author can make anything possible" arguement i explained above how unpredictable some of the SH crew were in joining.
yes 2 years for a country to be rebuilt is fictional but it is a fictional story after all. But anyways Vivi considered joining but declined to serve her duty to her country but asks to be permitted to join in the future. this shows she intends to join when they meet again.
im sorry i did misunderstand you statement but i also share your disaproval of this attitude the majority of the fanbase has. because One Piece is not about power levels like DBZ or Naruto. everyone whether physically strong or weak contributes to the teams overall success. idk how Vivi could contribute but this could be revealed later on.
yea she did. im mad you said that. the story would have been a whole lot different without Vivi being in the mix. did i forget to mention that if Vivi did not insist on Nami getting medical help that they would not have met Chopper who later on became their doctor and part of their fighting crew? Also it was because of Vivi that they even went to Alabasta where they ultimately also added Robin to their crew. etc etc
what does it all matters? its like asking who is more important to the crew Nami or Zoro? Jinbe contributes in his own way and Vivi in her own way. they are 2 different chracters with different sets of strengths and weakness and can contribute to the SH differently.
agreed. absolutely 100% agreed. we shouldnt base nakama on anything except being asked to joined or being accepted by the SH. look how far Luffy went for Nami and Robin when they left SH. it wasnt cuz of the abilities they held but the bond they held. Vivi holds this bond with the SH that would make her a part of the crew.
THIS!!! i wanted to state this but forgot the name of the thing. with that being said its possible she will join the SH as soon as Jinbe will
