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[video=youtube;z8uz3uafMe0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8uz3uafMe0[/video]

your heart is in the right place, but please learn
Dude you don't even know how inflation works.

You can't even argue a point correctly without having a video do the talking for you and most of them are extreme conservatives or simply disreputable individuals.

You have no concept of what your sources are even talking about.

So please save me the bullshit.
 
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Dude you don't even know how inflation works.

You can't even argue a point correctly without having a video do them talking for you and most of the are extreme conservatives or simply disreputable individuals.

You have no concept of what your sources are even talking about.

So please save me the bullshit.
I can shit all over you concerning the minimum wage. You clearly didn't watch the video, and just discredit them because they shit on your beliefs.


Why don't I understand inflation? If people made wages base on inflation(as you would want) employers would make literally no money.


Listen dumb **** its about what you're worth, not just free money. You say you have a career, but clearly you have no understanding of what it takes to pay people. you must wait tables
 

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I can shit all over you concerning the minimum wage. You clearly didn't watch the video, and just discredit them because they shit on your beliefs.


Why don't I understand inflation? If people made wages base on inflation(as you would want) employers would make literally no money.


Listen dumb **** its about what you're worth, not just free money. You say you have a career, but clearly you have no understanding of what it takes to pay people. you must wait tables
There are thousands of reasons for inflation and it can increase without raising the minimum wage. Which is exactly where we are now.

So no you don't know what you're talking about.

Lol you want proof of my career? Go to my website.

 

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There are thousands of reasons for inflation and it can increase without raising the minimum wage. Which is exactly where we are now.

So no you don't know what you're talking about.

Lol you want proof of my career? Go to my website.

Take the points he makes and counter them then. You're weak... you didn't even understand my understanding of inflation. You assumed I don't know the causes of inflation, because I said you want employees paid according the the rate of inflation. Seriously you need your reading and comprehension skills checked
 

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Take the points he makes and counter them then. You're weak... you didn't even understand my understanding of inflation. You assumed I don't know the causes of inflation, because I said you want employees paid according the the rate of inflation. Seriously you need your reading and comprehension skills checked
It's economics 101. It's not even a freaking complicated scenario. If inflation increases past 3% then there is an economic collapse.

The way to keep it in check is to, you guessed it, increase wages (aka devalue currency).

So again, you know absolutely nothing.
 
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Dude, I graduated college and already have a career. I probably have more work experience than 90% of the members here.

Second of all, you're acting like she just agreed willy nilly. Maybe she didn't have a choice because that was the only job she could find.

Being fired for an open letter to a CEO is not a valid reason in any shape or form. I've had fights with my employers before but I can't get fired unless if I break the rules.

I really doubt you graduated college. How can you be so naive and unrealistic? Is this the level of college education in US or are you just trolling? Either way everyone proved you wrong. This thread is not about the system but whether the girl is the victim and the company the evil one. Both are untrue statements. Just accept that you got assigned to your seat.
 

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Its really sad that there are more people here whod actually screw off the poor in favour of a fcked up system rather than helping them.
so the poor get a free pass on ruining a public image just because they're poor?


Should they have given her a raise? Would everyone else not also get a raise then?

If there were no minimum wage she'd have been able to negotiate her wages like they do in nordic countries
 
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I think firing her for that was a bit too much, if otherwise she did her job well. I don't know the the tone of her letter, though. There is a difference between complaining and asking politely. So depending on that, I may imagine why an arrogant ceo would fire her. If I were the ceo, though, I might have just politely refused her request, or if she is persistent and I see the will and capability in her, I might give her a better position within the company. But I also understand that if the company complied with her wish, then next day everyone would start making demands and complaints, fullfilling of which may not be affordable for the company.
 
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I think firing her for that was a bit too much, if otherwise she did her job well. I don't know the the tone of her letter, though. There is a difference between complaining and asking politely. So depending on that, I may imagine why an arrogant ceo would fire her. If I were the ceo, though, I might have just politely refused her request, or if she is persistent and I see the will and capability in her, I might give her a better position within the company. But I also understand that if the company complied with her wish, then next day everyone would start making demands and complaints, fullfilling of which may not be affordable for the company.
I wasn't too sure how to feel about this until I read her myself. It wasn't written as a request to her supervisor, it was a borderline slanderous piece against the company and CEO himself. Factoring in that it was published as a public Medium article I can understand why she was fired.

Coming out of college without much more than freelancing and tutoring under my belt, I felt it was fair that I start out working in the customer support section of Yelp/Eat24 before I’d be qualified to transfer to media. Then, after I had moved and got firmly stuck in this apartment with this debt, I was told I’d have to work in support for an entire year before I would be able to move to a different department. A whole year answering calls and talking to customers ...
Bread is a luxury to me, even though you’ve got a whole fridge full of it on the 8th floor. But we’re not allowed to take any of that home because it’s for at-work eating. Of which I do a lot. Because 80 percent of my income goes to paying my rent.
Look, I’ll make you a deal. You don’t have to pay my phone bill. I’ll just disconnect my phone. And I’ll disconnect my home internet, too, even though it’s the only way I can do work for my freelance gig that I haven’t been able to do since I moved here because I’m constantly too stressed to focus on anything but going to sleep as soon as I’m not at work.
Originally, I suggested that Eat24/Yelp employees volunteer at local soup kitchens and food banks ... Maybe instead, you can help set up something to allow Eat24/Yelp employees to get food from local food banks and soup kitchens?
Originally, I suggested that Eat24 offer a matching donation with customers where they can choose a donation amount ... and donate those profits to a national food program. Maybe instead, you can let customers choose a donation amount during checkout and divide those proceeds among your employees who spend more than 60% of their income on rent? The ideal percent is 30%. As I said, I spend 80%. What do you spend 80% of your income on? I hear your net worth is somewhere between $111 million and $222 million. That’s a whole lotta rice.
UPDATE: As of 5:43pm PST, I have been officially let go from the company. This was entirely unplanned (but I guess not completely unexpected?) but any help until I find new employment would be extremely appreciated. My PayPal is [redacted], my Venmo is [redacted] (no hyphen). Square Cash is [redacted]. Thank you so much for helping my story be heard.
I'm not trying to defend or justify Yelp's treatment of their workers. It isn't a sustainable wage, though I'm not from the US so my experiences vary. However, to tout this woman's writing as an open letter to her boss isn't accurate in my mind. She "majored in English literature, with a dream to work in media". This was her writing on a public platform, choosing a topic which could have negative repercussions for her employer.
 
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I wasn't too sure how to feel about this until I read her myself. It wasn't written as a request to her supervisor, it was a borderline slanderous piece against the company and CEO himself. Factoring in that it was published as a public Medium article I can understand why she was fired.













I'm not trying to defend or justify Yelp's treatment of their workers. It isn't a sustainable wage, though I'm not from the US so my experiences vary. However, to tout this woman's writing as an open letter to her boss isn't accurate in my mind. She "majored in English literature, with a dream to work in media". This was her writing on a public platform, choosing a topic which could have negative repercussions for her employer.
Well thanks for sharing. However, sorry but I disagree on the part you saying this is a 'borderline slanderous' writing, at least the paragraphs you quoted, and at least not in the sense the person writing it displays signs of a borderline mental disorder...But maybe I just misunderstood you and you mean this letter is close to slandering. I still fail to see what did she lie about, to label this letter as slander? Now, her posting this on public platforms certainly doesn't shed good light on the company, so in that case I understand why she was fired, posting this in public was rather unwise, and it's kinda sad how she was basically begging alms...But her firing also conveys the message that people should shut up and in case they open their mouth in public, complaining about their salary, it's ok to fire them, even if it means they lose their living. Now I also recognize that the other side of the story is that she knew how important this job is to her, to make a living, yet she still risked it, so she should take the consequences...I guess she could have phrased the letter in a way which does not make personal references about the CEO. As I can relate to both sides, I'd rather take a neutral legal approach and examine her working contract and the US laws regarding the terms of firing someone. If her behavior was against the company's terms of employment, then her firing was lawful and there is nothing to do about it.
 

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I really doubt you graduated college. How can you be so naive and unrealistic? Is this the level of college education in US or are you just trolling? Either way everyone proved you wrong. This thread is not about the system but whether the girl is the victim and the company the evil one. Both are untrue statements. Just accept that you got assigned to your seat.
Go to my website if you don't believe me. I'm an animator.

You and two other people aren't everyone. And those people are the same people that everyone else disagrees with. So pretty sure it's what I expected.

And there were equal if not more people that agreed with me anyways in the comments/likes.
 
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so the poor get a free pass on ruining a public image just because they're poor?


Should they have given her a raise? Would everyone else not also get a raise then?

If there were no minimum wage she'd have been able to negotiate her wages like they do in nordic countries
"so the poor get a free pass on ruining a public image just because they're poor?"
You don't get a pass you get helped so you don't continue "ruining public image" as you put it, asshat.

"If there were no minimum wage she'd have been able to negotiate her wages like they do in nordic countries"
You can still negotiate your wages in America, again asshat, just because you take a minimum wage job doesn't mean you can never expect or ask for a raise. The issue isn't THAT she asked for more it's HOW she went about it, she didn't outright ask for a raise she tried to shame her employers into giving it, that's the problem not that she rightfully asked for enough money to live comfortable.

The US economy in particular has been pushing a system of dependency and cohabitation harder in the last 2 decades than ever before. It's harder now than anytime after the depression for a citizen to live on their own and cover food,health,travel(for work not leisure)shelter expenses and it's near impossible to do so on 1 minimum wage job. The issue shouldn't be "if you need more money get more work" The issue should be "should you need two minimum wage paying jobs just to live just beyond broke?" You're reasoning and methods are for working within a broken construct, others you're arguing with are working to fix that construct.
 

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Go to my website if you don't believe me. I'm an animator.

You and two other people aren't everyone. And those people are the same people that everyone else disagrees with. So pretty sure it's what I expected.
Well yeah, but what is it that you are saying here? Do you think the way the women acted was the right way? Why would she be entitled to special treatment? You don't seem to get that this is a world of choices, we don't always get what we want but it was her choices that led her to that situation. I mean what is the boss supposed to do? The salary is same for everybody who works on that level. They aren't demanding a raise. Why would she be entitled to a raise then? Because she had a child in that situation and is living in an expensive area? Geez...boohoo. I might agree that firing her could have been avoided, but it doesn't change the fact that she was blaming the company in a situation where she was in no place to blame them.

Also I get that you think the system is flawed, but that is not the fault of the boss. And her getting fired is not because of the system. How she handles her situation is not because of the system.
 

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Well yeah, but what is it that you are saying here? Do you think the way the women acted was the right way? Why would she be entitled to special treatment? You don't seem to get that this is a world of choices, we don't always get what we want but it was her choices that led her to that situation. I mean what is the boss supposed to do? The salary is same for everybody who works on that level. They aren't demanding a raise. Why would she be entitled to a raise then? Because she had a child in that situation and is living in an expensive area? Geez...boohoo. I might agree that firing her could have been avoided, but it doesn't change the fact that she was blaming the company in a situation where she was in no place to blame them.

Also I get that you think the system is flawed, but that is not the fault of the boss. And her getting fired is not because of the system. How she handles her situation is not because of the system.
How do you know no one else is demanding a raise? There have been others that have been fired for the same reason....

Do I believe she acted the right way? Well I think she could've handled the letter better, but she didn't cross the line to the point of making it justifiable to fire her.

What the boss could have done? Well, for starters, not fire her. That's the last thing he should've done and it just proves her point even more.

When the boss is a billionaire paying a full time worker minimum wage, I think the blame could partially be his. Besides, people are entitled to a raise after a certain amount of time working there.
 

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"so the poor get a free pass on ruining a public image just because they're poor?"
You don't get a pass you get helped so you don't continue "ruining public image" as you put it, asshat.

"If there were no minimum wage she'd have been able to negotiate her wages like they do in nordic countries"
You can still negotiate your wages in America, again asshat, just because you take a minimum wage job doesn't mean you can never expect or ask for a raise. The issue isn't THAT she asked for more it's HOW she went about it, she didn't outright ask for a raise she tried to shame her employers into giving it, that's the problem not that she rightfully asked for enough money to live comfortable.

The US economy in particular has been pushing a system of dependency and cohabitation harder in the last 2 decades than ever before. It's harder now than anytime after the depression for a citizen to live on their own and cover food,health,travel(for work not leisure)shelter expenses and it's near impossible to do so on 1 minimum wage job. The issue shouldn't be "if you need more money get more work" The issue should be "should you need two minimum wage paying jobs just to live just beyond broke?" You're reasoning and methods are for working within a broken construct, others you're arguing with are working to fix that construct.
Why should you still be an adult working a minimum wage job? Why should the minimum wage you can possibly earn, be enough to live on? Why the **** are you taxing the shit out of me if this ***** can't get food stamps until she finds a better job?



Realistically a business man will mathematically figure out what each bottom level employee is worth to the company in terms of production. If they can't afford to pay all employees a higher rate(not just her) then they won't. I feel no sympathy for people who misunderstand the reality of the world instead of living in a dream world paid for with monopoly money
 

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Well thanks for sharing. However, sorry but I disagree on the part you saying this is a 'borderline slanderous' writing, at least the paragraphs you quoted, and at least not in the sense the person writing it displays signs of a borderline mental disorder...But maybe I just misunderstood you and you mean this letter is close to slandering.
No problem, it's a bit subjective so disagreeing is quite alright. By 'borderline slanderous' I meant she was tip-toeing around the point of defamation. Google tells me that slander is verbal rather than written, so libel may be the correct term. I wasn't aware that slanderous had any connection to mental disorders so sorry for that confusion.

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Wow I'm an idiot. It was my use of 'borderline' that caused the confusion not 'slanderous'. I meant borderline in that it was very marginal, not as a reference to borderline personality disorder. My bad.



I still fail to see what did she lie about, to label this letter as slander?
I don't see it as direct malicious lying but rather untruths and misrepresentation. This is partially why it's subjective, I think she over-exaggerated for effect and presented a very one-sided story.
I haven’t bought groceries since I started this job. Not because I’m lazy, but because I got this ten pound bag of rice before I moved here and my meals at home (including the one I’m having as I write this) consist, by and large, of that. Because I can’t afford to buy groceries.
$20 to see a doctor or get an eye exam or see a therapist or get medication. Twenty bucks each is pretty neat, if spending twenty dollars didn’t determine whether or not you could afford to get to work the next week.
Because 80 percent of my income goes to paying my rent.
She'd been with the company for approximately six months, also living alone in an apartment for six months. As someone in the comments section pointed out, during that time her Twitter/Instagram showed her buying groceries, cosmetics, alcohol, eating out at restaurants, setting up cable TV, and possibly having a boyfriend to share living costs with. That these things weren't listed in the article, some contradicting it even, makes me feel misled.


Now, her posting this on public platforms certainly doesn't shed good light on the company, so in that case I understand why she was fired, posting this in public was rather unwise, and it's kinda sad how she was basically begging alms...But her firing also conveys the message that people should shut up and in case they open their mouth in public, complaining about their salary, it's ok to fire them, even if it means they lose their living.
Her choice of public platform confused me. From what I can tell, Medium is a social community based around writing. It's almost like Tumblr only with articles rather than images (I'm being slightly flippant with that). To me that raises the question of whether she ever meant for this to reach her company. She titled it as an open letter to her CEO but I haven't seen mention of her asking internally for promotion opportunity or other means of financial assistance. I genuinely think she wrote this as an angry rant for the Medium community, and unless she also CC'd someone in the company, didn't expect it to be discovered.

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"At first I sent a couple of tweets to Stoppelman," she said. But she realized it "wouldn't effectively show him it was something I was serious about.


With that in mind, I don't think she was ever begging alms, more that she was writing in jest about her coworkers being underpaid to the point of needing to visit the soup kitchen.

In regard to the bold, I believe that message has already been conveyed under the guise of professionalism. Complaining about your salary to coworkers is your common watercooler hot topic and it goes unnoticed. Stepping up from that to publishing an article which names your CEO and paint him in such a negative light is something else entirely and there's a reason people post such things anonymously. I'll be the first to say I'm biased towards the employer though. In my previous employments I've had to sign non-disclosure agreements and have been privy to sensitive information. I may be unfairly putting undue responsibility on this woman's shoulders, something that would get me fired may not be enough to get her fired also.


Now I also recognize that the other side of the story is that she knew how important this job is to her, to make a living, yet she still risked it, so she should take the consequences...I guess she could have phrased the letter in a way which does not make personal references about the CEO. As I can relate to both sides, I'd rather take a neutral legal approach and examine her working contract and the US laws regarding the terms of firing someone. If her behavior was against the company's terms of employment, then her firing was lawful and there is nothing to do about it.
Regarding the bold, I both agree and disagree as strange as that sounds. I agree that actions have consequences however I feel some sympathy because, as my previous section said, I don't think she ever expected her words to reach such a wide audience.
 
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Well reading the letter that someone linked, I am not surprised that she got fired. People have been fired for less.

I don't think laziness was an issue here. I suspect either she didn't think CEO/anyone higher enough will really read it ( he probably didn't but someone who mattered did ) or she had made up her mind to look for another job.

Another possibility is that some silly Coffee klatch friends told her it was very funny and comic piece & that they cannot fire her just for that and what not and she took them seriously. (won't be a first time for that either). Real stupid move in this case.
 
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Employees need to realize their online presence is constantly being monitored by coworkers, HR departments, and supervisors.

Frequently, venting and tongue in cheek comments made online are used in firing and retention decisions.

Always remember, that the truth shall set you free - free from your company's employ, that is.
 
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