Vegeta has boring stuff

[Meowazziel]

With that I mean his abilities.
They are all just energy blasts from his hands that dont do anything other than being energy blasts that deal dmg.

Big bang attack, Galick gun, Final flash.
Its all the same thing imo.

Basically his abilities are transforming, firing energy waves and melee combat.
Kinda boring aint it?
Vegeta is a cool character but his abilities are boring imo.

He could use some special abilities.

Compare his toolset with some other characters, for example:

Goku.
Spirit bomb (collects energy from your surroundings to gain more power than you could otherwise generate yourself. It also wont harm people who have no evil in their heart).
Instant transmission.
Solar flare.
Kaioken (although this is in the past I guess).
Transforming.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Piccolo.
Can extend his arms and change size.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
Special beam cannon (is different from regular energy attacks due to its piercing design).
Multi form.
Eye beam.
Merging.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Dende.
Healing.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
I guess he can extend his arms and change size too
and merge like Piccolo and other Nameks.
Energy waves?
Melee combat?

Tien.
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Multiple arm technique.
Tri beam (is different from regular energy attacks, because it drains life energy, which makes it extra powerful, but also risky).
Eye beam.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Majin Buu.
Magic.
Turn targets into food.
Can reform from little pieces left of him.
Can change body form.
Energy waves.
Transforming.
Melee combat.


Krillin.
Destructo disc (is different from regular energy attacks due to a cutting/slicing energy design).
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Well, yeah he's a pretty plain character in general. Most interesting thing he ever did was admit he loved his wife once before getting embarrassed about it????

he is a grown man

 

[BlacLord™]

With that I mean his abilities.
They are all just energy blasts from his hands that dont do anything other than being energy blasts that deal dmg.

Big bang attack, Galick gun, Final flash.
Its all the same thing imo.

Basically his abilities are transforming, firing energy waves and melee combat.
Kinda boring aint it?
Vegeta is a cool character but his abilities are boring imo.

He could use some special abilities.

Compare his toolset with some other characters, for example:

Goku.
Spirit bomb (collects energy from your surroundings to gain more power than you could otherwise generate yourself. It also wont harm people who have no evil in their heart).
Instant transmission.
Solar flare.
Kaioken (although this is in the past I guess).
Transforming.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Piccolo.
Can extend his arms and change size.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
Special beam cannon (is different from regular energy attacks due to its piercing design).
Multi form.
Eye beam.
Merging.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Dende.
Healing.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
I guess he can extend his arms and change size too
and merge like Piccolo and other Nameks.
Energy waves?
Melee combat?

Tien.
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Multiple arm technique.
Tri beam (is different from regular energy attacks, because it drains life energy, which makes it extra powerful, but also risky).
Eye beam.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Majin Buu.
Magic.
Turn targets into food.
Can reform from little pieces left of him.
Can change body form.
Energy waves.
Transforming.
Melee combat.


Krillin.
Destructo disc (is different from regular energy attacks due to a cutting/slicing energy design).
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Vegeta has melee combat, Energy Waves, Genocide Breaker, Shine Shot etc.

 

[Wparker6804]

With that I mean his abilities.
They are all just energy blasts from his hands that dont do anything other than being energy blasts that deal dmg.

Big bang attack, Galick gun, Final flash.
Its all the same thing imo.

Basically his abilities are transforming, firing energy waves and melee combat.
Kinda boring aint it?
Vegeta is a cool character but his abilities are boring imo.

He could use some special abilities.

Compare his toolset with some other characters, for example:

Goku.
Spirit bomb (collects energy from your surroundings to gain more power than you could otherwise generate yourself. It also wont harm people who have no evil in their heart).
Instant transmission.
Solar flare.
Kaioken (although this is in the past I guess).
Transforming.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Piccolo.
Can extend his arms and change size.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
Special beam cannon (is different from regular energy attacks due to its piercing design).
Multi form.
Eye beam.
Merging.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Dende.
Healing.
Can regenerate as long as his head remains okay.
I guess he can extend his arms and change size too
and merge like Piccolo and other Nameks.
Energy waves?
Melee combat?

Tien.
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Multiple arm technique.
Tri beam (is different from regular energy attacks, because it drains life energy, which makes it extra powerful, but also risky).
Eye beam.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

Majin Buu.
Magic.
Turn targets into food.
Can reform from little pieces left of him.
Can change body form.
Energy waves.
Transforming.
Melee combat.


Krillin.
Destructo disc (is different from regular energy attacks due to a cutting/slicing energy design).
Solar flare.
Multi form.
Energy waves.
Melee combat.

You forgot clothes beam

 

[loj]

The whole DB is boring...

 

[rollin]

His move sets don't seem to be any less boring than the others

 

[Meowazziel]

Vegeta has melee combat, Energy Waves, Genocide Breaker, Shine Shot etc.

Genocide breaker is just melee combat imo.

Shine shot is indeed special with it being fiery, but other than in the saiyan saga, I have never seen him use it anymore.

His move sets don't seem to be any less boring than the others

The movesets in DB are kinda boring compared to the Naruto series for example, but the Vegeta his move set is quite more boring than some other z fighters imo.

 

[Bling Kai]

Dragon ball is not the anime for people with such a low criteria for being interesting if you think a character Is interesting purley based on what they can do. Thats like saying Yoda from star wars was boring because all he did with the force was lift stuff. Funny thing is you didn't even list all of the stuff vegeta can do nor did you for anyone else.

If you think dragon ball is boring than its clearly not an anime you cam appreciate, you might want to stick with the run of the mill overblown mainstream anime and stay away from the high quality classics(the actual good stuff) like dragon ball,cowboy beeebop FMA ect.

 

[Nobel]

since when did the style of an attack have more importance than its actual damage? pathetic

 

[Meowazziel]

Dragon ball is not the anime for people with such a low criteria for being interesting if you think a character Is interesting purley based on what they can do. Thats like saying Yoda from star wars was boring because all he did with the force was lift stuff. Funny thing is you didn't even list all of the stuff vegeta can do nor did you for anyone else.

If you think dragon ball is boring than its clearly not an anime you cam appreciate, you might want to stick with the run of the mill overblown mainstream anime and stay away from the high quality classics(the actual good stuff) like dragon ball,cowboy beeebop FMA ect.

Maybe you should reread.
I start the thread with mentioning that I am specifically talking about the abilities.
That I like the character Vegeta but that I find his abilities boring.

You misread and/or came with a way different interpretation of my post.

But yeah I rate the Naruto series higher than DB.
In characters, character development, story and abilities.
Even though DB has massive nostalgia for me and yeah its a classic indeed.

since when did the style of an attack have more importance than its actual damage? pathetic

Goku has been a lot more useful due to his abilities.

Instant transmission and Spirit Bomb have been life savers.

If Vegeta had attacks that did more than just dmg, he would have been a lot stronger.

I would rate Tri beam and Special beam cannon higher in strength and usefulness than all of Vegeta's attacks.
The only reason Vegeta's attacks do more dmg is because he is simply a lot stronger than Tien and Piccolo.

So yeah, it matters if an ability is just an energy wave or a special energy attack.
Not because of its style, but because of its effect.

Similar to how Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation and is less devastating to Rasengan + element.

Than there are strategic abilities like Solar Flare, which can create an opening.

Vegeta his moveset is just one of the least useful ones.
Even if he would be equal to Goku in strength he would still lose, because his moveset is just not anything special.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

you forgot

Final Shine Attack

Kienzan

Artificial Moon Creation

Oozaru Transformation

Finger Volley Attack (no other Z hero does this)



Vegeta is brute much like all original Saiyans. The reasons most of the Z fighters have a bunch techniques is because they were taught under martial art experts. It'll be weird if they didnt have a bunch techniques and it'll be weirder if OG Saiyans HAD a bunch techniques.

in fact in the entire series, Z fighters are the only people with techniques that derive from Martial Arts. Most other races simply use Ki + a gift they naturally have from their race

For example:

Freeza - telekenesis, transformation etc

Piccolo - Limb regenration, fusion, Namekian stuff etc

the list goes on and on with villains and their respective abilities

 

[Bling Kai]

Genocide breaker is just melee combat imo.

Shine shot is indeed special with it being fiery, but other than in the saiyan saga, I have never seen him use it anymore.

The movesets in DB are kinda boring compared to the Naruto series for example, but the Vegeta his move set is quite more boring than some other z fighters imo.

Loke how naruto just spams rasengan and clone justu? Or how the uchihas just spam fireball jutsu and shraingon. Or like how the kages obly spqm the one move they are really good at using? Lol the movesets in Naruto are constant spam of like 3 moves when they can do like 80 different things which is very similar to dragon ball its only boring for Drgonball for a few reasons but the fact that the anime community does not appreciate the classic anime pretty much sums all the reasons up without getting to specific.

 

[Insidious Smile]

The whole DB is boring...

Better bring out your best b8, m8.

 

[Meowazziel]

you forgot

Final Shine Attack

Kienzan

Artificial Moon Creation

Oozaru Transformation

Finger Volley Attack (no other Z hero does this)

Transformation was listed.

Artificial moon creation and kienzan are good points.
Those I forgot.

Transformation was already listed (which covers both ssj variants and Oozaru).

The rest falls under energy waves that dont do anything extra imo.

Anyway the point I am trying to make that Vegeta could use some special abilities that are not just raw energy waves with different names and colors. Just as Spirit bomb is different from other energy waves, just as instant transmission is something unique (among z fighters, not among the people who Goku learned it from).

Loke how naruto just spams rasengan and clone justu? Or how the uchihas just spam fireball jutsu and shraingon. Or like how the kages obly spqm the one move they are really good at using? Lol the movesets in Naruto are constant spam of like 3 moves when they can do like 80 different things which is very similar to dragon ball its only boring for Drgonball for a few reasons but the fact that the anime community does not appreciate the classic anime pretty much sums all the reasons up without getting to specific.

In Naruto they move more into how jutsus are created though, unlike DB.

I am not really comparing amount of abilties from db and naruto or spam or not.

In Naruto series you know why Chidori does what it does, why Rasengan does what it does and how to create and learn that jutsu. How you can learn from the experience of your clones.
What natural energy does etc.
There is something behind its design.

In DB you have bigbang attack and galick gun, but collecting energy and than firing it while shouting a random different name is basically the same or looks like that, due to lack of explanation why its different.

Whereas special beam cannon for example is different from other regular energy waves, due to its piercing shape, which makes it work differently.
Just as instant transmission is different from regular speed, due to becoming light.
Just as spirit bomb is different, because you collect energy also from outside yourself (enviroment and living things) and it wont harm those without evil in them.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Transformation was listed.

Artificial moon creation and kienzan are good points.
Those I forgot.

Transformation was already listed (which covers both ssj variants and Oozaru).

The rest falls under energy waves that dont do anything extra imo.

Anyway the point I am trying to make that Vegeta could use some special abilities that are not just raw energy waves with different names and colors. Just as Spirit bomb is different from other energy waves, just as instant transmission is something unique (among z fighters, not among the people who Goku learned it from).

read the rest of my post

 

[Bling Kai]

Maybe you should reread.
I start the thread with mentioning that I am specifically talking about the abilities.
That I like the character Vegeta but that I find his abilities boring.

You misread and/or came with a way different interpretation of my post.

But yeah I rate the Naruto series higher than DB.
In characters, character development, story and abilities.
Even though DB has massive nostalgia for me and yeah its a classic indeed.

Goku has been a lot more useful due to his abilities.

Instant transmission and Spirit Bomb have been life savers.

If Vegeta had attacks that did more than just dmg, he would have been a lot stronger.

I would rate Tri beam and Special beam cannon higher in strength and usefulness than all of Vegeta's attacks.
The only reason Vegeta's attacks do more dmg is because he is simply a lot stronger than Tien and Piccolo.

So yeah, it matters if an ability is just an energy wave or a special energy attack.
Not because of its style, but because of its effect.

Similar to how Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation and is less devastating to Rasengan + element.

Than there are strategic abilities like Solar Flare, which can create an opening.

Vegeta his moveset is just one of the least useful ones.
Even if he would be equal to Goku in strength he would still lose, because his moveset is just not anything special.

I mostly directed that post at the people saying dragon ball was boring. It's all fine and dandy feeling that way about Naruto compared to Dragon Ball even though ita not true.

I personally wouldn't even compare the two seeing as how dragon ball is on a whole other league than Naruto. I mean dragon ball is a revolutionizer anime/manga and its the most revolutionary and influential anime/manga of all time. Everything ot did at the time of its creation was revolutionary. Naruto isn't even close to that. For me Dragon ball should appropriately be compared to other classics like cowboy beebop on equal grounds unless you are trying to show the massive dip in quality between current manga and the older ones.

To be frank the classics rape Naruto I'm terms of writing,overall quality, impact, and influnce let alone dragon ball.

One punch man is the only thing in this modern anime that even makes the first step to being the next dragon ball that step being popularity. I doubt it has what it takes to go beyond that though.

 

[Meowazziel]

read the rest of my post

Okay.
You had not made the edit yet when I posted.

Fair enough. Maybe it is fiting and understandable that Vegeta lacks special abilities so far.

Spoiler

but now in DB super he actually has a martial arts teacher Whis, so now he could actually learn a few special moves, besides what he is trying to learn together with Goku, the make your body parts move independently, without thinking. Which Beerus hasnt mastered yet either.

I mostly directed that post at the people saying dragon ball was boring. It's all fine and dandy feeling that way about Naruto compared to Dragon Ball even though ita not true.

I personally wouldn't even compare the two seeing as how dragon ball is on a whole other league than Naruto. I mean dragon ball is a revolutionizer anime/manga and its the most revolutionary and influential anime/manga of all time. Everything ot did at the time of its creation was revolutionary. Naruto isn't even close to that. For me Dragon ball should appropriately be compared to other classics like cowboy beebop on equal grounds unless you are trying to show the massive dip in quality between current manga and the older ones.

To be frank the classics rape Naruto I'm terms of writing,overall quality, impact, and influnce let alone dragon ball.

One punch man is the only thing in this modern anime that even makes the first step to being the next dragon ball that step being popularity. I doubt it has what it takes to go beyond that though.

The story of the Naruto series has been more interesting for me than the story of DB.

I know that Kishi is a big DB fan and has been inspired by that series.
I can see that DB was revolutionary, but that still doesnt change that the Naruto series story can be more interesting for me.

DB did have huge impact on me though.
I saw it years before Naruto and wasnt really familiar yet with manga and anime back at the time.

Both series have not been created at the same time, so a comparison is maybe not even fair because of that.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Okay.
You had not made the edit yet when I posted.

Fair enough. Maybe it is fiting and understandable that Vegeta lacks special abilities so far.

Spoiler

but now in DB super he actually has a martial arts teacher Whis, so now he could actually learn a few special moves, besides what he is trying to learn together with Goku, the make your body parts move independently, without thinking. Which Beerus hasnt mastered yet either.

yea absolutely.

this is the perfect time for vegetal to have a diverse arsenal of attacks. The ole brute saiyan fighting style is effective but played out

 

[Nobel]

Maybe you should reread.
I start the thread with mentioning that I am specifically talking about the abilities.
That I like the character Vegeta but that I find his abilities boring.

You misread and/or came with a way different interpretation of my post.

But yeah I rate the Naruto series higher than DB.
In characters, character development, story and abilities.
Even though DB has massive nostalgia for me and yeah its a classic indeed.

Goku has been a lot more useful due to his abilities.

Instant transmission and Spirit Bomb have been life savers.

If Vegeta had attacks that did more than just dmg, he would have been a lot stronger.

I would rate Tri beam and Special beam cannon higher in strength and usefulness than all of Vegeta's attacks.
The only reason Vegeta's attacks do more dmg is because he is simply a lot stronger than Tien and Piccolo.

So yeah, it matters if an ability is just an energy wave or a special energy attack.
Not because of its style, but because of its effect.

Similar to how Rasengan is the highest form of shape manipulation and is less devastating to Rasengan + element.

Than there are strategic abilities like Solar Flare, which can create an opening.

Vegeta his moveset is just one of the least useful ones.
Even if he would be equal to Goku in strength he would still lose, because his moveset is just not anything special.

Not because its style but its effect?, lmao pls clarify that in size 10 for me to understand. And even if he is equal to goku in strength he would STILL lose?, because his moveset is just not anything special?

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Spirit Bomb is not effective in the least, it requires large charge time. And only works on the not-pure hearted beings, kid buu almost deflect it with his own brute strength. Instant transmission requires little focus time but if vegetas reaction speed is greater then goku will probably be caught off-guard. If the technique is useful or not depends on the actual user.

 

[loj]

Better bring out your best b8, m8.

Not a bait..just my opinion...