Vegeta has boring stuff

[Bling Kai]

Okay.
You had not made the edit yet when I posted.

Fair enough. Maybe it is fiting and understandable that Vegeta lacks special abilities so far.

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but now in DB super he actually has a martial arts teacher Whis, so now he could actually learn a few special moves, besides what he is trying to learn together with Goku, the make your body parts move independently, without thinking. Which Beerus hasnt mastered yet either.

The story of the Naruto series has had more impact on me than the story of DB and DBZ.

I know that Kishi is a big DB fan and has been inspired by that series.
I can see that DB was revolutionary, but that still doesnt change that the Naruto series can have had a bigger impact on me.
That I find the Naruto series story more interesting is an opinion.

They have not been created at the same time, so a comparison is maybe not even fair because of that.

Well like I said its all fine and dandy what Naruto does for you personally as opposed to what dragon ball does. I'm just saying objectively and technically dragon ball is above Naruto as a series in terms of quality,writing,impact,influence ect.


I just feel as though I should point that out cause the current generation of anime and manga fans seem to either forget or don't know that their fav shonen series are successful cause they are using the tropes set by Dragonball.

Basically dragon ball showed how to be successful and few people give dragon ball the credit it deserves considering that.

 

[Meowazziel]

Not because its style but its effect?, lmao pls clarify that in size 10 for me to understand. And even if he is equal to goku in strength he would STILL lose?, because his movement is just not anything special?


Spirit Bomb is not effective in the least, it requires large charge time. And only works on the not-pure hearted beings, kid buu almost deflect it with his own brute strength. Instant transmission requires little focus time but if vegetas reaction speed is greater then goku will probably be caught off-guard. If the technique is useful or not depends on the actual user.

Yeah, if two people are equal in strength, speed and battlesmart, than obviously the one with the most useful techniques will win. Vegeta his moveset has nothing in it that can suprise you, like a Solar flare
and instantransmission-Kamehameha combo can for example.

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Now that Vegeta has a martial arts teacher, its time for him to learn some new techniques other than raw power attacks.

Well like I said its all fine and dandy what Naruto does for you personally as opposed to what dragon ball does. I'm just saying objectively and technically dragon ball is above Naruto as a series in terms of quality,writing,impact,influence ect.


I just feel as though I should point that out cause the current generation of anime and manga fans seem to either forget or don't know that their fav shonen series are successful cause they are using the tropes set by Dragonball.

Basically dragon ball showed how to be successful and few people give dragon ball the credit it deserves considering that.

I gave it the credit due to how DB was revolutionary, that Naruto came after db and that Kishi was inspired by it.
So obviously DB made room for other series to be succesful by showing how its done and therefore deserves credit for sure.

But still I like the story of Naruto more.

 

[Nobel]

I said moveset, not movement.

And yeah, if two people are equal in strength, speed and battlesmart, than obviously the one with the most useful techniques will win. Vegeta his moveset has nothing in it that can suprise you, like a Solar flare
and instantransmission-Kamehameha combo can for example.

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Now that Vegeta has a martial arts teacher, its time for him to learn some new techniques other than raw power attacks.

it was a spelling error, silly me look again

and a warrior isnt just about battle smart, goku is driven mostly by his instincts. Vegeta on the other hand knows much more....

 

[Meowazziel]

it was a spelling error, silly me look again

and a warrior isnt just about battle smart, goku is driven mostly by his instincts. Vegeta on the other hand knows much more....

I just listed a few traits like speed, strength, battlesmart, to show if they are equal on more or less all grounds except their moveset/toolset.

If Vegeta has only raw power attacks, than I still think that he will lose to someone who is equal in battle power (strength, speed, battlesmart and such etc.), but who also has a better moveset as explained.

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For example If Whis didnt have time reverse for x minutes, than things would have been dangerous for the z fighters. Special abilities can make the difference imo.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Since when does having a lack of versatility mean something?

 

[Nobel]

I just listed a few traits like speed, strength, battlesmart, to show if they are equal on more or less all grounds except their moveset/toolset.


For example If Whis didnt have time reverse for x minutes, than things would have been dangerous for the z fighters. Special abilities can make the difference imo.

special abilities makes the difference?, do you even know what a fight is? Reversing the space-time continuum and not accepting the conclusion is losing by default.

 

[ComplexCity]

Well like I said its all fine and dandy what Naruto does for you personally as opposed to what dragon ball does. I'm just saying objectively and technically dragon ball is above Naruto as a series in terms of quality,writing,impact,influence ect.


I just feel as though I should point that out cause the current generation of anime and manga fans seem to either forget or don't know that their fav shonen series are successful cause they are using the tropes set by Dragonball.

Basically dragon ball showed how to be successful and few people give dragon ball the credit it deserves considering that.

 

[PureSkillz]

All DBZ attacks minus Spirit Bomb are kinda boring, if we're being real.

And instant Kamehameha

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

The whole DB is boring...

Not as much as OP

 

[pakitoT3L3K]

Not a bait..just my opinion...

I mean don't get me wrong great storyline and all but no matter how much I attempt and watch or read it, I just can't it's kinda tedious and uninteresting. I know DB is basicly the god of tedious and uninteresting, but no matter how many times I re watch whatever episode I'm hyped AF IDK just my opinion

 

[Bling Kai]

Yeah its really funny you don't know what you are talking about you probably cant even tell me the first thing about writing. And the facts to dragon ball being above Naruto objectively are there and extremely obvious seriously the only people that argue this are complete fools. You really think a series that took from dragon ball (and hxh mostly dragon ball) to be successful is better than dragon ball? It owes its succes to dragon ball as well as like every other Shonen with a few exceptions.


You really think anime of revolutionary impactful set the grounds for success legacy is inferior to an anime with nothing near that legacy? Only in the brain dead anime community would some backwards logic shit like that be so common. Thats what's really funny here how ignorant the anime community is that's why they are like the only idiots calling chapter recaps reviews. Cause they are pretentious and have no idea what they are talking about. I guess I should start leaving this stuff alone and let ignorant people be ignorant.

 

[loj]

Not as much as OP

I mean don't get me wrong great storyline and all but no matter how much I attempt and watch or read it, I just can't it's kinda tedious and uninteresting. I know DB is basicly the god of tedious and uninteresting, but no matter how many times I re watch whatever episode I'm hyped AF IDK just my opinion

How can something be boring when it has great storyline and everything is always happening...

All u get in DB is same things...New super saiyan and Gohan and others being irrelevant...wow that's so good...

 

[ComplexCity]

Yeah its really funny you don't know what you are talking about you probably cant even tell me the first thing about writing. And the facts to dragon ball being above Naruto objectively are there and extremely obvious seriously the only people that argue this are complete fools. You really think a series that took from dragon ball (and hxh mostly dragon ball) to be successful is better than dragon ball? It owes its succes to dragon ball as well as like every other Shonen with a few exceptions.


You really think anime of revolutionary impactful set the grounds for success legacy is inferior to an anime with nothing near that legacy? Only in the brain dead anime community would some backwards logic shit like that be so common. Thats what's really funny here how ignorant the anime community is that's why they are like the only idiots calling chapter recaps reviews. Cause they are pretentious and have no idea what they are talking about. I guess I should start leaving this stuff alone and let ignorant people be ignorant.

I can name 10 amines better than DBZ including Naruto. You seem like a bias fanboy who probably thinks Goku > One Mil Supes (speculation)

You can't claim that Dragon Ball Z is objectively better because story wise Part 1 story >>>>>>> DBZ story.

Better yet, make a poll and see how objective it is

 

[Bling Kai]

How can something be boring when it has great storyline and everything is always happening...

All u get in DB is same things...New super saiyan and Gohan and others being irrelevant...wow that's so good...

The only thing happening over and over is the same idea or concept. (no form of literature nor medium of entertainment can escape this).

It perhaps most commonly happens in comic books good guy saved the day over and over bad guy comes back over and over. He gets stopped by the hero usually over and over. This happens in all entertainment with a story or theme to it.

And it only happened so much becuase being the great series it was, it was denied it's intended endings because fans wouldn't have it nor would toriyamas editors. Those endings being the of the Frieza saga, cell saga and kid buy saga. Kid buu saga was for a long time the true ending but now it is not.

 

[Bling Kai]

I can name 10 amines better than DBZ including Naruto. You seem like a bias fanboy who probably thinks Goku > One Mil Supes (speculation)

You can't claim that Dragon Ball Z is objectively better because story wise Part 1 story >>>>>>> DBZ story.

Better yet, make a poll and see how objective it is

I can tell you don't even know what good and bad writing is so let me ask you why is Naruto's story about a kid being two things that contradic each other an underdog and a chosen one better than the basic damn near impossible to **** up story of dragon ball? Good luck with that since I k ow you can't.

And I don't even seem slightly like a based fan boy I pointed out facts anyone can see so denying this proves your ignorance. What's next you are gonna say star wars is not one of the most influential and impactfull movies ever created?

I don't even wanna waste my time arguing with you since you have shown the signs of being someone that thinks hey know more than they really do in a debate and wil never accept being proven wrong even when its obvious.

Only reason why I'm defending dragon ball so hard is because of how often it gets disrepected over some ignorant bullshit seriously in any other community of critics you would never hear for example film critics saying a movie that revolutionized an industry and had major Impact on said industry with good writing aand overall all quality(like dragon
Ball) as objectively below last year's box office hit.

But it happoens up the ass in the anime community full of ignorant pretentious fools that calll chapter recaps reviews. Becusse they aren't a critque community they don't know what they are talking about. I do though cause i have studied this shit. Gtfo!!

 

[ComplexCity]

I can tell you don't even know what good and bad writing is so let me ask you why is Naruto's story about a kid being two things that contradic each other an underdog and a chosen one better than the basic damn near impossible to **** up story of dragon ball? Good luck with that since I k ow you can't.

And I don't even seem slightly like a based fan boy I pointed out facts anyone can see so denying this porves your ignorance. What's next you are gonna say star wars is not one of the most influential and impactfull movies ever created?

I don't even wanna waste my time arguing with you since you have shown the signs of being someone that thinks hey know more than they really do in a debate and wil never except being proven wrong even when its obvious.

Only reason why I'm defending dragon ball so hard is because of how often it gets disrepected over some ignorant bullshit seriously in any other community you would never hear for example film critics saying a movie that revolutionized an industry and had major Impact on said industry with good writing a d over all quality(like dragon
Ball) as objectively below last year's box office hit. But it happoens up the ass in the anime community full of ignorant pretntioua fools that calll chapter recaps reviews. Gtfo!!

Bro relax. I'm never said DBZ was bad, just not as good as everyone makes it out to be. I also said Naruto, not Shppiuden (if we do include Shippuden, it was great until after the Pain Arc). I know good writing because I don't watch the same 6 amines everyone else does.

Rin Daughters of Mnemosone
Hunter x Hunter
Neon Genesis Evagelion
Attack on Titan


Are some great examples of animes/mangas with great writing. I know a good story and characters when I see them.

Like I said you can't say it's objective because there are other animes that people rate above DBZ which deserve those spots. Like I said you can make a poll and see how objective it is as a series :|

 

[Decimo Blaze]

so did this thread turn to a dragon ball vs naruto thread?

 

[Meowazziel]

special abilities makes the difference?, do you even know what a fight is? Reversing the space-time continuum and not accepting the conclusion is losing by default.

I disagree.
You make it sound as if not giving up and using all you have, is losing.

If he has the option to reverse time, than its among his abilities to use in battle to help win a fight.
Seems he cant spam it, so I say its just among abilities to help win a battle.

Regardless Whis his ability is just one example.

Some more examples:

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Take Frieza for example. He survived Namek's destruction because he could breath in space and if it weren's for Beerus and Whis visiting earth, Frieza would have wiped out earth in DB super because of it.

Goku with instant transmission, could destroy a planet if he was evil/had reasons for it and than instant transmission to a different planet if he had an energy signal there to lock on to.
Whereas Vegeta doesnt have that option.

Majin Buu would have been defeated a lot earlier if he couldnt regenerate like he could with his special ability.

Special abilities can make a difference.

Since when does having a lack of versatility mean something?

So you prefer a bunch of stickmen with 2 attacks, Punch and Pewpew blast and the same personality and character development on all?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

The whole DB is boring...

I must agree with this. They all do the same shit. No elemental nature involved in the series.

Bro relax. I'm never said DBZ was bad, just not as good as everyone makes it out to be. I also said Naruto, not Shppiuden (if we do include Shippuden, it was great until after the Pain Arc). I know good writing because I don't watch the same 6 amines everyone else does.

Rin Daughters of Mnemosone
Hunter x Hunter
Neon Genesis Evagelion
Attack on Titan


Are some great examples of animes/mangas with great writing. I know a good story and characters when I see them.

Like I said you can't say it's objective because there are other animes that people rate above DBZ which deserve those spots. Like I said you can make a poll and see how objective it is as a series :|

Good post. Besides being there for so long DBZ. DBZ is nothing more than a brand name everyone likes to boast about cause it influences so and so anime. What they forget is that DBZ itself was influenced by another creation. Meaning nothing is original. After all the anime I have seen I don't really rate it that highly as most do. Its a ok series ment for laughs and giggles. Nothing more than that.

 

[DominiqueX]

Boring stuff!?
No. Vegeta has the moves like Jagger.

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