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For the ones interested or new to Veganuary;

It's a month in which people try the plant-based diet and dedicate themselves to getting to know more about animal suffering and the environmental and health impact it has worldwide.

Try Dominion for the most brutal savagery that we humans finance with our daily habits:

Try What The Health on Netflix for more insight regarding the impact animal consumption has on our health and the environment.

Try Cowspiracy on Netflix for a combination of the previous two.

Try Gamechangers on Netflix for a scope on the myths around physical wellbeing and athletic performances on a vegan diet.

Try several bigtime vegan activists such as Earthling Ed, Gary Yourovsky and Joey Carbstrong who has given lectures at Harvard University, colleges, national tv debates, etc.
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Let me know what you think. What is stopping you to become part of the solution?
 
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Don't know if I will watch all the docs but I'll try a plant based diet for sure next month.
Also I know someone who lost like 22 kg over a year or something without working out but by simply being vegetarian, so it's not like it's unhealthy and it's good for the climate too.
 

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Don't know if I will watch all the docs but I'll try a plant based diet for sure next month.
Also I know someone who lost like 22 kg over a year or something without working out but by simply being vegetarian, so it's not like it's unhealthy and it's good for the climate too.
Good stuff, yow

I understand its kind of a hassle to watch all these documentaries. In your case, I'd recommend Gamechangers.
 

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Vegetarianism (y)

Vegan= extreme (n)

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Vegetarians finance the dairy industry. All dairy cows get forcefully impregnated to produce milk. Male calfs get shot to death on day one. Female calfs are taken away from their mother so they can't get to the milk. Mother cows bellow for weeks in search of their offspring.

All dairy cows eventually end up at the slaughterhouse.

Now, whats more extreme?

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Vegetarians also finance the macerating of baby chicks. The chicken industry isn't any less extreme as the dairy industry.
 
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Vegetarians finance the dairy industry. All dairy cows get forcefully impregnated to produce milk. Male calfs get shot to death on day one. Female calfs are taken away from their mother so they can't get to the milk. Mother cows bellow for weeks in search of their offspring.

All dairy cows eventually end up at the slaughterhouse.

Now, whats more extreme?

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Vegetarians also finance the macerating of baby chicks. The chicken industry isn't any less extreme as the dairy industry.
I do not tell people to stop eating chicken either. A balance diet is better.

People need jobs and dairy farms employ and feed people. It's not like not having dairy farm won't get those cows to slaughterhouse anyway.

More importantly: Exactly what do you plan to do with cows whom you neither milk nor eat being a vegan? Who is going to take care of them personally or pay for them?

Cow slaughter is restricted in India due to cultural reasons and some people run cow shelters for such old cows. But it costs money and there aren't enough of them. There ar security issues as well. Even healthy cows kept for milk get stolen for illegal slaughter or by cattle smugglers all the time. There have been several such clashes and many people have died trying to save their cows from smugglers.

Then there is PETA which likes to preach on every occasion never shared a penny on any such animal shelter nor recognized their work nor stands against such smuggling. Instead their brand ambassador and awardee are those who are non vegetarian and beef eaters even. Their own shelters kill animals they claim to have saved. It's such a shitty organization that I wish government either bans it or makes them declare exactly where the money in name of animals, they receive goes.
 

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I do not tell people to stop eating chicken either. A balance diet is better.

People need jobs and dairy farms employ and feed people. It's not like not having dairy farm won't get those cows to slaughterhouse anyway.

More importantly: Exactly what do you plan to do with cows whom you neither milk nor eat being a vegan? Who is going to take care of them personally or pay for them?

Cow slaughter is restricted in India due to cultural reasons and some people run cow shelters for such old cows. But it costs money and there aren't enough of them. There ar security issues as well. Even healthy cows kept for milk get stolen for illegal slaughter or by cattle smugglers all the time. There have been several such clashes and many people have died trying to save their cows from smugglers.

Then there is PETA which likes to preach on every occasion never shared a penny on any such animal shelter nor recognized their work nor stands against such smuggling. Instead their brand ambassador and awardee are those who are non vegetarian and beef eaters even. Their own shelters kill animals they claim to have saved. It's such a shitty organization that I wish government either bans it or makes them declare exactly where the money in name of animals, they receive goes.

People need jobs and dairy farms employ and feed people. It's not like not having dairy farm won't get those cows to slaughterhouse anyway.
-Dairy Farming is unsustainable. I can provide you with some research and evidence if you wish to look into it.

Exactly what do you plan to do with cows whom you neither milk nor eat being a vegan? Who is going to take care of them personally or pay for them?
-Cows dont naturally breed as fast as farms make them. Without artificial insemination or farms forcing cows to breed mean there arent going to be huge amounts of animals just simply roaming around the wild.

Then there is PETA which likes to preach on every occasion never shared a penny on any such animal shelter nor recognized their work nor stands against such smuggling. Instead their brand ambassador and awardee are those who are non vegetarian and beef eaters even. Their own shelters kill animals they claim to have saved. It's such a shitty organization that I wish government either bans it or makes them declare exactly where the money in name of animals, they receive goes.
-This argument covers a very VERY small minority of people, which is the same category of things like hardcore Christians, or irresponsible gun owners. When a few people do the wrong thing, everyone pins the entire group and labels all of them.

Please ask any questions you have, Id be happy to answer them
 

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I do not tell people to stop eating chicken either. A balance diet is better.

People need jobs and dairy farms employ and feed people. It's not like not having dairy farm won't get those cows to slaughterhouse anyway.

More importantly: Exactly what do you plan to do with cows whom you neither milk nor eat being a vegan? Who is going to take care of them personally or pay for them?

Cow slaughter is restricted in India due to cultural reasons and some people run cow shelters for such old cows. But it costs money and there aren't enough of them. There ar security issues as well. Even healthy cows kept for milk get stolen for illegal slaughter or by cattle smugglers all the time. There have been several such clashes and many people have died trying to save their cows from smugglers.

Then there is PETA which likes to preach on every occasion never shared a penny on any such animal shelter nor recognized their work nor stands against such smuggling. Instead their brand ambassador and awardee are those who are non vegetarian and beef eaters even. Their own shelters kill animals they claim to have saved. It's such a shitty organization that I wish government either bans it or makes them declare exactly where the money in name of animals, they receive goes.
You do not need chicken or any other animal product for a balanced diet.

People needing jobs shouldn't justify commodifying sentient beings. If we replaced the livestock with humans it would suddenly become the worst horror movie ever.
Plus, the livestock industry diminished or gone would mean an end to world hunger, better usage and distribution of clean water, an enormous amount of landmass ready to recover back into forests, recovering endangered species, less dead zones, cleaner oceans and less waste from fishers, the list goes on and on.

The only reason there are over 70 billion enslaved animals is because we breed them. Break the cycle, and the numbers drastically drop. A lot of land could be used for sanctuaries.

PETA is just as corrupt as any other "good cause" organisation such as greenpeace.
Most big-time animal liberation activists condemn PETA. Watch Gary Yourovsky's speech in which he mentions PETA.
 

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Sorry, but my egg, fish and beef love isn't going away. I can abstain from beef for about two weeks, but the other two, won't happen. Oh and I love milk as well, I buy raw organic milk from a farm nearby and free range eggs.

However, I encourage all of you to eat vegetarian, go for it and be sure to buy Beyond's replacement products:)

Also, animals exist to serve the apex animal, in this case it happens to be the human. Who knows if apes are genetically modified and made more intelligent, then we may have a true war for dominance on the planet. Anyway, ignore this I don't want to take it onto the apex and beta debate it will hijack the thread.
 
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People need jobs and dairy farms employ and feed people. It's not like not having dairy farm won't get those cows to slaughterhouse anyway.
-Dairy Farming is unsustainable. I can provide you with some research and evidence if you wish to look into it.
I come from the country of Amul, which today is jointly owned by 36 (3.6 million) milk producers in Gujarat. And I love it's products. In fact every time I see someone telling me to go vegan and stop milk I feel like going out and buy some more.

And don't forget that truly vegan diet means lack of many vital vitamins and needing supplements. Also going fulltime vegan is luxury, not everyone has.

Exactly what do you plan to do with cows whom you neither milk nor eat being a vegan? Who is going to take care of them personally or pay for them?
-Cows dont naturally breed as fast as farms make them. Without artificial insemination or farms forcing cows to breed mean there arent going to be huge amounts of animals just simply roaming around the wild.
They still breed and they exist. So how do you plan to sustain the existing ones? PETA style? It kills the dogs it takes in if they are not adopted soon. Australia was shooting at camels from the air just a few months ago. They now have no use for them and that's how they deal with their population. All that wastage ... it is as cruel to shoot them down and let them bleed to death like that.

Then there is PETA which likes to preach on every occasion never shared a penny on any such animal shelter nor recognized their work nor stands against such smuggling. Instead their brand ambassador and awardee are those who are non vegetarian and beef eaters even. Their own shelters kill animals they claim to have saved. It's such a shitty organization that I wish government either bans it or makes them declare exactly where the money in name of animals, they receive goes.
-This argument covers a very VERY small minority of people, which is the same category of things like hardcore Christians, or irresponsible gun owners. When a few people do the wrong thing, everyone pins the entire group and labels all of them.
That's not even the point. They have been extremely annoying and useless organization but loud mouth. We have a lot more considerate traditions culturally towards animals than such an organization would ever be. We have a Rakhi festival: It's associated with brother and sister aka sibling love and have nothing to do with anything made of leather or meat industry. Sisters tie a cotton or silk thread on brother's wrist wishing for their safety and both celebrate it exchanging sweets and gifts.

PETA put up hoardings of cows on Rakhi as a day to not use leather. It proceeded to demand that we should treat cow as sister and pledge for it's safety on this occasion. This to the community which is mocked for venerating cow anyway. So it was even more insulting to see PETA putting such hoardings and asking to make sibling relationship with cow and later it's twitter handle turned abusive in the process calling a lady a "snake", when she protested. Ironically. It's PETA targeting some individual like that and showing blatant insensitivity towards native traditions we have.

I can only say to PETA, please feel free to celebrate Christmas as cow day and make pledges and Valentine day as camel love day and pledge not to mass shoot them from air and maybe thanksgiving day may show love for birds, but leave our festivals alone. Thank you. Tolerance doesn't mean having to put up with such pushes at our culture under guise of such NGOs.

And yes leather industry too employs a large number of people. So no I am not taking any such pledge on Rakhi against dairy or leather. It's a day I spend with my sister, brothers and cousins and PETA hoardings ruining the mood are unwelcome.

Please ask any questions you have, Id be happy to answer them
There were no question to begin with beside a strong sense of resentment against people who proselytize, whether it's religion or veganism. This kind of campaigning itself gets me annoyed. I am a vegetarian but I do not tell others to follow the same either and do not like it when they start lecturing to other meat eaters either. Let people choose their diets without hounding them.
 
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Sorry, but my egg, fish and beef love isn't going away. I can abstain from beef for about two weeks, but the other two, won't happen. Oh and I love milk as well, I buy raw organic milk from a farm nearby and free range eggs.

However, I encourage all of you to eat vegetarian, go for it and be sure to buy Beyond's replacement products:)

Also, animals exist to serve the apex animal, in this case it happens to be the human. Who knows if apes are genetically modified and made more intelligent, then we may have a true war for dominance on the planet. Anyway, ignore this I don't want to take it onto the apex and beta debate it will hijack the thread.
I don't know of any vegan, including myself, that does not like the taste of beef, eggs and milk.
We are just not selfish enough to decide that taste outweighs another's life.

Animals have their own intrinstic value and are not products for us to use as we see fit.

Organic milk means nothing. The cows are still forcefully impregnated and killed after they're spent. Same goes for egg-laying hens. 'Organic', 'free range', 'grass-fed' are terms used as a marketing strategy so that consumers feel better about their choices without actually doing anything good for the animals.

The bottom line here is the amount of care one has. You don't care, therefore there is no point to debate you.
 

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I don't know of any vegan, including myself, that does not like the taste of beef, eggs and milk.
We are just not selfish enough to decide that taste outweighs another's life.
Selfish hasn't got anything to do with it, unless the animal wrote you a complaint about how selfish you are🤔

Animals have their own intrinstic value and are not products for us to use as we see fit.
Yes, their instrinsic value is supporting the greater creature.

Organic milk means nothing. The cows are still forcefully impregnated and killed after they're spent. Same goes for egg-laying hens. 'Organic', 'free range', 'grass-fed' are terms used as a marketing strategy so that consumers feel better about their choices without actually doing anything good for the animals.
It does do something for animals, though, it ensures they're not caged up all day, loaded on antibiotics and hormones to just produce. They get to enjoy the outdoors and then in return supply us with what we want.

The bottom line here is the amount of care one has. You don't care, therefore there is no point to debate you.
I don't care for emotional arguments, and assuming lack of caring is meh:/ However, you are right I don't succumb to emotional arguments, so I don't "care."
 
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Selfish hasn't got anything to do with it, unless the animal wrote you a complaint about how selfish you are🤔



Yes, their instrinsic value is supporting the greater creature.



It does do something for animals, though, it ensures they're not caged up all day, loaded on antibiotics and hormones to just produce. They get to enjoy the outdoors and then in return supply us with what we want.



I don't care for emotional arguments, and assuming lack of caring is meh:/ However, you are right I don't succumb to emotional arguments, so I don't "care."
Selfishness is the underlying fact. You know that suffering goes hand in hand with animal agriculture, yet you choose to remain steadfast in your ways because you are not the one suffering.

In most cases, large-scale meat suppliers that don the progressive labels have been found to not abide by the rules at all. In one picture you'll see happy cows running in the field, yet in an undercover video at the same farm you see the reality is not what it seemed. And even if the animals were treated well, they still end up forcefully impregnated and killed by a slashed throat or gas chamber.

What you want shouldn't set the fate of another before they're even born until the day they die.

You don't need to be emotional about animals or even like them to respect their place in this world without you commodifying them.

This is not the first or second time you came to stupify the conversation, please begone and make room for people who actually want to learn and grow as individuals.
 
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Selfishness is the underlying fact. You know that suffering goes hand in hand with animal agriculture, yet you choose to remain steadfast in your ways because you are not the one suffering.
It's a simple question, did the animal write a letter telling you you are being selfish. Suffering is quite a loose term, an animal when it dies even naturally suffers at the time of its death. So animals being raised and being killed, doesn’t really affect that.

In most cases large-scale meat suppliers that don the progressive labels have been found to not abide by the rules at all. In one picture you'll see happy cows running in the field, yet in an undercover video at the same farm you see the reality is not what it seemed. And even if the animals were treated well, they still end up forcefully impregnated and killed by a slashed throat or gas chamber.
They're not all the same, farms from different areas and countries have to adhere to different conditions.

What you want shouldn't set the fate of another before they're even born until the day they die.
Only when it comes to abortions is this true. As for animals then the fate is set, they serve the cycle, they die are killed or consumed and the next lot continues the cycle.

You don't need to be emotional about animals or even like them to respect their place in this world without you commodifying them.
We argued this last time, and I told you then they serve the cycle of life by adding to us. And their flesh nourishes us and lives on in us.

This is not the first or second time you came to stupify the conversation, please begone and make room for people who actually want to learn and grow as individuals.
You quoted me to try and dismiss me, so it was only natural I respond. Asking me to be gone so one can atrophy doesn't equal growth. I said it before, eat vegetables if you like, but trying to portray omnivores as something wholly unrighteous is meh:/
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It's a simple question, did the animal write a letter telling you you are being selfish. Suffering is quite a loose term, an animal when it dies even naturally suffers at the time of its death. So animals being raised and being killed, doesn’t really affect that.



They're not all the same, farms from different areas and countries have to adhere to different conditions.



Only when it comes to abortions is this true. As for animals then the fate is set, they serve the cycle, they die are killed or consumed and the next lot continues the cycle.



We argued this last time, and I told you then they serve the cycle of life by adding to us. And their flesh nourishes us and lives on in us.



You quoted me to try and dismiss me, so it was only natural I respond. Asking me to be gone so one can atrophy doesn't equal growth. I said it before, eat vegetables if you like, but trying to portray omnivores as something wholly unrighteous is meh:/
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I'll leave you with uour fangurl @Astrovio both of you can tell us how lowly we are. I'll be sure to think of it when I'm downing by chicken alter on tonight:)
smh you never fail to set the bar at an alltime low. Just your first sentence alone is as dissapointing as it can get. It's like the pidgeon strutting around on a chess board shitting all over it, acting like it won.

Move along, sport
 
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smh you never fail to set the bar at an alltime low. Just your first sentence alone is as dissapointing as it can get. It's like the pidgeon strutting around on a chess board shitting all over it, acting like it won.

Move along, sport
Good for you, attack the person and not the argument. You sure showed me, how right you were. I haven't once said I won, winners don't need to say it. I'll leave you with that thought.
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lamssander is hypocrite...when u drink alcohole he say to you "ITS FORBIDDEN GOD WILL PUNISH U IN HELLL and u will go to jahanam!!!!..but when u solo him in debate he go insulting and cussing you..."
You want to present that quote to me of when I said it🤔

I think the SBO may be causing you some delusions there.
 
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