[Discussion] Vasto Lorde

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Okay, it looks like Ichigo's full hollow, we know that

So, what happened here? I think Masaki must have sealed it into herself, and that it was born as ichigo. When Ichigo was 9, I think the hollow came in and tried to take over, masaki managed to stop it, Grand Fisher only finished off Masaki because she was weakened from the fight

It then reawakened in the training with Urahara, and manifested itself into Ichigo's Zanpakuto, which is why he has permanent shikai
This is why Ichigo has no asauchi
Ichigo's Hollow told ichigo about the difference of a king and it's horse, They are like a Shinigami and his zanpakuto, Ichigo and his Hollow were always one but without ichigo's hollows power he'd be nowhere (Wouldn't have beaten ulquiorra, would've died to grimmjow or even before that)

I've heard some say ichigo was an arrancar this entire time, just with the mask broken completely off.
What do you think?

 

[VongolaX]

ichigo's final hollow transformation is not a vasto lorde

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

ichigo's final hollow transformation is not a vasto lorde

yet it's stronger than segunda etapa which is well over vasto lorde level

 

[VongolaX]

yet it's stronger than segunda etapa which is well over vasto lorde level

Exactly who is that?

 

[Naoya Minato]

Hollow Ichigo was created when Ichigo Kurosaki, a Shinigami, developed a Hollow inside his soul during his near Hollowfication as a Plus.

While Ichigo underwent training to gain his own Shinigami powers, Kisuke Urahara put Ichigo's soul through a process called Encroachment, where if Ichigo did not gain the power on his own, he would become a Hollow.

Exactly who is that?

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Ulquiorra's second release.

 

[VongolaX]

Hollow Ichigo was created when Ichigo Kurosaki, a Shinigami, developed a Hollow inside his soul during his near Hollowfication as a Plus.

While Ichigo underwent training to gain his own Shinigami powers, Kisuke Urahara put Ichigo's soul through a process called Encroachment, where if Ichigo did not gain the power on his own, he would become a Hollow.

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Ulquiorra's second release.

^^thank you for the clarification

 

[VongolaX]

ichigo's hollow form is not vasto lorde level, even the first and second espada who is way stronger than ulquiorra are not even vasto lorde level either. Wonder weird who is a true vasto exceeds all three of them in power is a vasto lorde

 

[Titania Erza]

ichigo's hollow form is not vasto lorde level, even the first and second espada who is way stronger than ulquiorra are not even vasto lorde level either. Wonder weird who is a true vasto exceeds all three of them in power is a vasto lorde

It was stronger then all the Adjuchas we have seen so far, so being a vasto lorde isnt that far fetched. And so far all we know is that Halibel was a vasto lorde.

 

[VongolaX]

]It was stronger then all the Adjuchas we have seen [/B]so far, so being a vasto lorde isnt that far fetched. And so far all we know is that Halibel was a vasto lorde.

Your joking right? Ulquiorra is no where in hell near the first and second espada's level, not even yammy's. Where in hell did you see Halibel named as an espada? The one how got b*tched out by one slash by base aizen, I don't think so

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Exactly who is that?

That's a release stage ^.^! It is Ulquiorra's Secunda Etapa or second ressurection!

OT: I agree....I think it is either sealed within Isshin or Masaki....I'm guessing Isshin considering he was passed out...similar to the other Vizards....then it was passed on to Ichigo. I don't see a complete take over attempt when he was 9, but maybee that it was stunning him or really messing with him....Masaki didn't have time to kill the Grand Fisher, and as such only had time to use the Quincy speed boost tech to get in the way!

 

[Titania Erza]

Your joking right? Ulquiorra is no where in hell near the first and second espada's level, not even yammy's. Where in hell did you see Halibel named as an espada? The one how got b*tched out by one slash by base aizen, I don't think so

Stop being the stupid jerk please, it has been stated in both manga as anime that Harribel was a vasto lorde. And you must be really stupid but Harribel was the Tres Espada. And you need to be kidding right? Yammy got defeated by Byakura and Zaraki, he didnt deserved the title of 0. And besides you have already shown to be not good informed on bleach. You didnt even knew what the segunda etapa was.

Go back and reread and rewatch bleach, since you clearly were sleeping when you read/watch it. Perhaps it is better to talk about KHR and leave the bleach sections untill you have really watched/read it.


And besides Aizen defeated lots of captains with a single sword slash, or have you forgotten how he defeated Hitsugaya, Kyōraku, Suì-Fēng, and Shinji within one second.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Your joking right? Ulquiorra is no where in hell near the first and second espada's level, not even yammy's. Where in hell did you see Halibel named as an espada? The one how got b*tched out by one slash by base aizen, I don't think so

do you read the manga or watch the anime? by your statement i can tell you dont' ...or just being a trolll

i think masaki has been experimented by aizen with hollowfication(huge statement, I myself don't buy it but when you take in consideration that masaki beat it with just a cut on her shoulder and we see isshin messed up on the floor...that doesn't add up) ... "i hate the rain" zangetsu ....we see that this hollow comes out only when it rains. coincidence i think not

 

[VongolaX]

Stop being the stupid jerk please, it has been stated in both manga as anime that Harribel was a vasto lorde. And you must be really stupid but Harribel was the Tres Espada. And you need to be kidding right? Yammy got defeated by Byakura and Zaraki, he didnt deserved the title of 0. And besides you have already shown to be not good informed on bleach. You didnt even knew what the segunda etapa was.

Go back and reread and rewatch bleach, since you clearly were sleeping when you read/watch it. Perhaps it is better to talk about KHR and leave the bleach sections untill you have really watched/read it.


And besides Aizen defeated lots of captains with a single sword slash, or have you forgotten how he defeated Hitsugaya, Kyōraku, Suì-Fēng, and Shinji within one second.

Stupidiest sh*t i've heard, post a manga scan right now of where it said halibel was or is a vasto lorde.

 

[VongolaX]

do you read the manga or watch the anime? by your statement i can tell you dont' ...or just being a trolll

i think masaki has been experimented by aizen with hollowfication(huge statement, I myself don't buy it but when you take in consideration that masaki beat it with just a cut on her shoulder and we see isshin messed up on the floor...that doesn't add up) ... "i hate the rain" zangetsu ....we see that this hollow comes out only when it rains. coincidence i think not

What the hell are you getting at? If youdon't have anything useful to say gtfo
I'm talking about difference between vasto lordes and made up speculations

 

[Naoya Minato]

Stupidiest sh*t i've heard, post a manga scan right now of where it said halibel was or is a vasto lorde.

''Prior to becoming an Arrancar, Harribel was a near-humanoid shark-like Vasto Lorde-class Menos.''

Though the episode of Harribel's background was anime only, thus filler and non-canon.

Though there is nothing to contradict it and the MASKED databook stated that most of the Espada were Vasto Lorde.

 

[Pekoms]

ichigo's hollow form is not vasto lorde level, even the first and second espada who is way stronger than ulquiorra are not even vasto lorde level either. Wonder weird who is a true vasto exceeds all three of them in power is a vasto lorde

Proof? All you've got to go by is his pre-arrancar appearance. If that's enough to sate your speculation than look no further.
Chapter 530's hollow is indeed a Vasto Lorde and the notion can easily be supported with clear evidence from the manga.

A nice, succinct description of what their appearance should look like was reported by Tōshirō Hitsugaya:

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Now, in retrospect of the manga, you'll notice that both Ulquiorra Clifer and chapter 530's hollow fall into that category.

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Their appearances certainly share certain characteristics with that of Wonderweiss, whom you've labeled as a Vasto Lorde.
If your thinking he's unique, he certainly is, though in the capacity of being the sole modified arrancar created by Aizen.

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Going beyond just appearance though, there is the obvious power that both hollow certainly possess.
Please remember that the latter hollow was able to leave Isshin Shiba, a captain, critically wounded.

The following scan also reinforces the notion of the hollow being categorized as, yes, a Vasto Lorde.

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From the scans, it becomes evident that the hollow fits in the parameters established for identifying a Vasto Lorde.

 

[NLee]

Stupidiest sh*t i've heard, post a manga scan right now of where it said halibel was or is a vasto lorde.

Your joking right? Ulquiorra is no where in hell near the first and second espada's level, not even yammy's. Where in hell did you see Halibel named as an espada? The one how got b*tched out by one slash by base aizen, I don't think so

You're nothing but ignorant in this thread right now.

You didn't even know what Segunda Etapa was. You're clearly not as experience with the manga as a lot of others are in this section so why don't you quit acting like a know-it-all prick and shelf the cocky attitude you little brat.

It's published in the databooks that Halibel was a Vasto Lorde prior to becoming an Arrancar. Databooks are information written directly by Kubo. Whether anyone likes it or not it's as good as the manga in terms of being canon.

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Anyways, back on topic:

This thread is sound. The Hollow that appears at the end of this weeks chapter is indeed a Vasto Lorde and I also think Masaki did something to it. Quincys can manipulate reishi. It's not too farfetched to think that she somehow absorbed it or sealed it into herself. After all, it was revealed that Masaki was a "pure blood" Quincy so it's possible that she came from a strong lineage. It was said that she was "the last of the Kurosaki family". I don't think they would have explicitly stated it like this if it didn't mean something. Then, during pregnancy it's reiatsu blended with Ichigo's and voila.

This would also explain the nature of Ichigo's zanpaktou. Ouetsu said Ichigo's zanpaktou didn't come from an Asauchi. Zangetsu's Shikai looks similar to that Vasto Lorde's arms which means it could be the origin of his zanpaktou. Ichigo has both his mother and father's genes in him. Maybe his father's "genetic memory" of being a Shinigami caused a portion of the Hollow's power to manifest itself into the shape of a sword.

Previously it was nonsense to label Ichigo's inner Hollow with the Hollow classifications. By definition, a Vasto Lorde is a fusion or aggregation of Hollows that develops a single consciousness. But, if Masaki did actually take a fully developed Vasto Lorde into herself and it fused with an infant Ichigo then that changes everything.

 

[VongolaX]

Proof? All you've got to go by is his pre-arrancar appearance. If that's enough to sate your speculation than look no further.
Chapter 530's hollow is indeed a Vasto Lorde and the notion can easily be supported with clear evidence from the manga.

A nice, succinct description of what their appearance should look like was reported by Tōshirō Hitsugaya:

Spoiler

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Now, in retrospect of the manga, you'll notice that both Ulquiorra Clifer and chapter 530's hollow fall into that category.

Spoiler

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Their appearances certainly share certain characteristics with that of Wonderweiss, whom you've labeled as a Vasto Lorde.
If your thinking he's unique, he certainly is, though in the capacity of being the sole modified arrancar created by Aizen.

Spoiler

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Going beyond just appearance though, there is the obvious power that both hollow certainly possess.
Please remember that the latter hollow was able to leave Isshin Shiba, a captain, critically wounded.

The following scan also reinforces the notion of the hollow being categorized as, yes, a Vasto Lorde.

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From the scans, it becomes evident that the hollow fits in the parameters established for identifying a Vasto Lorde.

you literally gave me scans of speculations a+b+c logic and the artificial vasto lorde. Until i see a vasto lorde that was ckearly above the captains level(which they weren't) then you can talk. Though i do have a feeling that the latest chapter will prove your point, but otherwise......no

 

[VongolaX]

You're nothing but ignorant in this thread right now.

You didn't even know what Segunda Etapa was. You're clearly not as experience with the manga as a lot of others are in this section so why don't you quit acting like a know-it-all prick and shelf the cocky attitude you little brat.

It's published in the databooks that Halibel was a Vasto Lorde prior to becoming an Arrancar. Databooks are information written directly by Kubo. Whether anyone likes it or not it's as good as the manga in terms of being canon.

___________________________________________________________________

Anyways, back on topic:

This thread is sound. The Hollow that appears at the end of this weeks chapter is indeed a Vasto Lorde and I also think Masaki did something to it. Quincys can manipulate reishi. It's not too farfetched to think that she somehow absorbed it or sealed it into herself. After all, it was revealed that Masaki was a "pure blood" Quincy so it's possible that she came from a strong lineage. It was said that she was "the last of the Kurosaki family". I don't think they would have explicitly stated it like this if it didn't mean something. Then, during pregnancy it's reiatsu blended with Ichigo's and voila.

This would also explain the nature of Ichigo's zanpaktou. Ouetsu said Ichigo's zanpaktou didn't come from an Asauchi. Zangetsu's Shikai looks similar to that Vasto Lorde's arms which means it could be the origin of his zanpaktou. Ichigo has both his mother and father's genes in him. Maybe his father's "genetic memory" of being a Shinigami caused a portion of the Hollow's power to manifest itself into the shape of a sword.

Previously it was nonsense to label Ichigo's inner Hollow with the Hollow classifications. By definition, a Vasto Lorde is a fusion or aggregation of Hollows that develops a single consciousness. But, if Masaki did actually take a fully developed Vasto Lorde into herself and it fused with an infant Ichigo then that changes everything.

Starrke did a way better job then you, you should just stfu and provide facts

 

[Pekoms]

you literally gave me scans of speculations a+b+c logic and the artificial vasto lorde. Until i see a vasto lorde that was ckearly above the captains level(which they weren't) then you can talk.

So, your saying a captain was lying? They have

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with pictures, reference to Rukia identifying a Menos Grande.

By your own admission, it also makes your statement of Wonderweiss void.​

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Please keep in mind the following points:

• aside from Aaroniero Arruruerie, the remaining Espada are all at least of the Adjuchas level
• their appearances are undeniably humanoid, which are instrumental in identifying Vasto Lorde
• Espada 1 to 4 were prohibited from releasing their zanpakutō whilst in Las Noches
• the previous point denotes a significant difference in power levels, hence the restriction