V2 killer bee vs kn4 naruto

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location: killer bee vs kisame

Intel: none

Intent: kill

Conditions: naruto can't transform farther than kn4

Restrictions: bijuu dama for both.

SCENARIO 2: kn6 naruto instead of kn4. same retrictions as above

SCENARIO 3: bm killer bee instead of V2: same restrictions apply for both.
 

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kurama is so much more powerful than the other bijuu, even with 4 more tails the jin of kurama is physically stronger and more durable so he wins
 

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V2 Bee unfortunately never received that much screen time. I'd imagine that since Base Bee can match V2 Raikage in terms of physical strength that V2 Bee should have the physical strength needed to overpower KN4 Naruto, not to mention that he's likely faster and can focus his power far more better than KN4 Naruto.

KN6 Naruto is a toss up because he nearly blitzed someone who could evade an FRS from point-blank range and possessed not only the physical strength to resist Deva Path's Shinra Tensei, but also redirect it back at Deva Path, so I'd imagine that KN6 Naruto would have the edge here.

I'd imagine that BM Bee would win due to having a better grasp of his power, can perform massive Whirlwinds and the fact KN6 Naruto's Bijuudama didn't seem to have the power output needed to defeat the Hachibi or even overpower his own Bijuudama for that matter.
 

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Ha. B rapes in S1. The only thing that gave Naruto a slight chance was Bijuu Dama. B wins S2 as well. KN6 doesn't have the strength feats to contend with Cloaked B. B rapes in S3 for obvious reasons.
 

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KN4 Naruto is debatable, KN6 Naruto demolishes Bee.
 

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Bee should win all three.

Bee's lariat can blast through samehada and kisame in one shot, I don't see samehada getting penetrated by the sword of kusanagi and kisame himself is very durable. KN4 on the otherhand's best attack feat is ripping orochimaru in two with a claw attack. In short, Bee probably has the offense to deal significant damage to KN4 while it doesn't really have what it takes to significantly damage bee.
 

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Far better strength feats and greater durability feats. Bee has no chance of winning when KN4 Naruto can lash out massive shockwaves from that go in all directions from the mere swipe of his hand. Sent Orochimaru 100's of meters across a forest in v1 KN3 when Bee can't do that in his v2 form. Factor in how much stronger KN6 is and there's no contest. v2 Bee has nothing putting him on the same level as KN6 Naruto.
 

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Far better strength feats and greater durability feats. Bee has no chance of winning when KN4 Naruto can lash out massive shockwaves from that go in all directions from the mere swipe of his hand. Sent Orochimaru 100's of meters across a forest in v1 KN3 when Bee can't do that in his v2 form. Factor in how much stronger KN6 is and there's no contest. v2 Bee has nothing putting him on the same level as KN6 Naruto.

'factor in how much stronger KN6 is'

how do we do that?
 

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'factor in how much stronger KN6 is'

how do we do that?

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These feats shit ALL OVER Bee's. He sent Kisame flying 5 meters back wth his v2 assault. That's not close to KN3 Naruto's attack, which is nowhere close to clearing 10,000 snakes with a mere shockwave. Not to mention that's still 2 tails beneath 6 Tails Naruto. Then you factor in that he blocked the Kusanagi blade in KN4 and his chakra is so potent and 'evil' that it's corrosive. KN6 is far beyond that. KN4 shits on Bee now that I look at FEATS, and KN6 stomps Bee. No comparison at all, anyone who wants to compare them can only compare feats. Bee's? Sent Kisame back a few meters when Naruto completely cleared 10,000 snakes on top of each other (take into account the insane weight they would be at if each only weighed 1kg. He sent Oro 100 meters away into the forest in KN3. He's just way stronger in every possible way that you can look at it. And that's KN4's feats, which would be far inferior to KN6's.
 

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These feats shit ALL OVER Bee's. He sent Kisame flying 5 meters back wth his v2 assault. That's not close to KN3 Naruto's attack, which is nowhere close to clearing 10,000 snakes with a mere shockwave. Not to mention that's still 2 tails beneath 6 Tails Naruto. Then you factor in that he blocked the Kusanagi blade in KN4 and his chakra is so potent and 'evil' that it's corrosive. KN6 is far beyond that. KN4 shits on Bee now that I look at FEATS, and KN6 stomps Bee. No comparison at all, anyone who wants to compare them can only compare feats. Bee's? Sent Kisame back a few meters when Naruto completely cleared 10,000 snakes on top of each other (take into account the insane weight they would be at if each only weighed 1kg. He sent Oro 100 meters away into the forest in KN3. He's just way stronger in every possible way that you can look at it. And that's KN4's feats, which would be far inferior to KN6's.

My question was how exactly do you factor it in? Like how can you measure a difference between the strength of KN3 and KN6. Not that I disagree- just curious what you were thinking.
 

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My question was how exactly do you factor it in? Like how can you measure a difference between the strength of KN3 and KN6. Not that I disagree- just curious what you were thinking.

Ah my bad. No exact way to measure tbh. The difference between tails is an exponential increase. Going from KN6 to KN8 is a big enough jump to get out of the Chibaku Tensei. So if KN3 is as strong as I showed you, and KN4 is stronger based on its massively greater feat (going from ripping off Oro's arm and damaging his face to straight up bisecting him), than 2 tails above that, KN6 should be a massive amount stronger. Anyways, as long as KN3 has better feats than v2 Bee, then KN4 being exponentially stronger than that means there's no contest here and a spanking vs KN6.
 

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Ah my bad. No exact way to measure tbh. The difference between tails is an exponential increase. Going from KN6 to KN8 is a big enough jump to get out of the Chibaku Tensei. So if KN3 is as strong as I showed you, and KN4 is stronger based on its massively greater feat (going from ripping off Oro's arm and damaging his face to straight up bisecting him), than 2 tails above that, KN6 should be a massive amount stronger. Anyways, as long as KN3 has better feats than v2 Bee, then KN4 being exponentially stronger than that means there's no contest here and a spanking vs KN6.

I just wanted to rephrase the question because I didn't think it came off the way I meant for it to.
I agree with that though. I'd need to go back and read Bee's V1 -V2 feats. But his doesn't work the same way as Naruto because at 7/8 tails of chakra he should have been close to bijuu size and have the muscles and all that jazz like naruto did.
 

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I just wanted to rephrase the question because I didn't think it came off the way I meant for it to.
I agree with that though. I'd need to go back and read Bee's V1 -V2 feats. But his doesn't work the same way as Naruto because at 7/8 tails of chakra he should have been close to bijuu size and have the muscles and all that jazz like naruto did.

He just looks more and more Kyuubi like with every single tail. Doesn't change the exponential increase in power point, his appearance is just a consequence of the exponential increase. It's not a further thing that you add to it.
 

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He just looks more and more Kyuubi like with every single tail. Doesn't change the exponential increase in power point, his appearance is just a consequence of the exponential increase. It's not a further thing that you add to it.

Just saying Bee doesn't work the same way.
 

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Ah shit, I misread that.

I think it's possible that perfect Jin's lack the raw destructive power that emotional naruto in KN4 had, however they retain their jutsus they normally have. Also they don't get the same fatigue after using it that naruto did.
 

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The only advantage Bee has is the speed, but lacks techniques to take down Naruto.
 

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These feats shit ALL OVER Bee's. He sent Kisame flying 5 meters back wth his v2 assault. That's not close to KN3 Naruto's attack, which is nowhere close to clearing 10,000 snakes with a mere shockwave. Not to mention that's still 2 tails beneath 6 Tails Naruto. Then you factor in that he blocked the Kusanagi blade in KN4 and his chakra is so potent and 'evil' that it's corrosive. KN6 is far beyond that. KN4 shits on Bee now that I look at FEATS, and KN6 stomps Bee. No comparison at all, anyone who wants to compare them can only compare feats. Bee's? Sent Kisame back a few meters when Naruto completely cleared 10,000 snakes on top of each other (take into account the insane weight they would be at if each only weighed 1kg. He sent Oro 100 meters away into the forest in KN3. He's just way stronger in every possible way that you can look at it. And that's KN4's feats, which would be far inferior to KN6's.

Are we still using this logic? KN1 sent Orochimaru flying that far away yet he literally did no meaningful damage to him besides peeling his face off. V1 B's strength feats rape that let alone V2. B plowed hit Samehada, put a hole in it and blew Kisame's chest out. Kisame alone is probably more durable than Orochimaru let alone Kisame+Samehada as a shield? It doesn't take much to figure out which is the better feat, by far. KN3's blast only took off Orochimaru's arm. B did worse to Kisame and Samehada (which can also absorb chakra) with his charge. This nonsense "compare shockwaves" route gets you literally nowhere since people with far better strength feats than KN1 haven't created blasts as powerful as that with their physical blows. Then we have the fact that your logic pretty much puts KN1 Naruto above V2 B in physical strength is probably one of the dumbest things anyone could argue.

-KN3 and 4's shockwaves were in the same range of the combined Bijuu tail slap shockwaves yet KN4 isn't anywhere near any of the fully transformed Bijuu in physical power. Yet the combined Bijuu obliterated Madara's Susanoo, which is a million times better a feat than anything any version of cloaked Naruto has done.

-Tanking Kusanagi is supposed to be a feat? The sword itself has no feats. Though the edo jins can tank Rakiri with zero damage.

The conclusions you are reaching here are pretty much ridiculous. KN6 might defeat B, KN4 stands no chance without Bijuu Dama let alone shits, and I'm not even sure what to think about the implication that KN3 is even on B's level of power let alone above it. Repeated lariats=Dead KN4, probably a dead KN6 considering his only feat is being able to repel Shinra Tensei after anchoring himself to the ground. But considering we have no idea how powerful that Shinra Tensei was it's hard to claim that he rapes B like you are doing (loool) with just that feat, and a boost up from KN4's feats doesn't matter since his best feats don't come close to B's feats.
 
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Are we still using this logic? KN1 sent Orochimaru flying that far away yet he literally did no meaningful damage to him besides peeling his face off. V1 B's strength feats rape that let alone V2. B plowed hit Samehada, put a hole in it and blew Kisame's chest out. Kisame alone is probably more durable than Orochimaru let alone Kisame+Samehada as a shield? It doesn't take much to figure out which is the better feat, by far. KN3's blast only took off Orochimaru's arm. B did worse to Kisame and Samehada (which can also absorb chakra) with his charge. This nonsense "compare shockwaves" route gets you literally nowhere since people with far better strength feats than KN1 haven't created blasts as powerful as that with their physical blows. Then we have the fact that your logic pretty much puts KN1 Naruto above V2 B in physical strength is probably one of the dumbest things anyone could argue.

LOL. So the person who can take negligible damage from Tsunade's punch is less durable than Kisame [ ]? Are you claiming this because Kisame is v4 Madara durability level since he survived Hirudora? If you're not making this idiotic claim, then please tell me how he's more durable than Orochimaru. Comparable? Perhaps, but that won't do anything for your argument when Naruto ripped off his arm in KN3 [ ] and forced him to use Oral Rebirth, KN3 being a long way beneath KN4. I agree KN1 didn't have a large effect on him, but that's merely another Oro durability feat.
Samehada as a shield? Nothing special, not enough to make the difference between an attack which clears 10,000 snakes with a shockwave and not busting through Kisame's entire body.
Absorbing chakra? Yes, but it doesn't drop the momentum of the attack since it occurred post-impact. So it's irrelevant. Anyways, KN4 Naruto bisected Oro. Anyways, this feat is not even comparable to KN4's shockwave which would've negged Kisame assuming there was direct contact.

-KN3 and 4's shockwaves were in the same range of the combined Bijuu tail slap shockwaves yet KN4 isn't anywhere near any of the fully transformed Bijuu in physical power. Yet the combined Bijuu obliterated Madara's Susanoo, which is a million times better a feat than anything any version of cloaked Naruto has done.

No idea what this is supposed to infer at all. Which Biju tail shockwaves?

-Tanking Kusanagi is supposed to be a feat? The sword itself has no feats. Though the edo jins can tank Rakiri with zero damage.

Yes, but Oro knew of the density of KN4's chakra and was still surprised. Although since we're taking this route, KN6 Naruto tanked a massive TBB. So any feat discussion is not even a discussion in that regard.

The conclusions you are reaching here are pretty much ridiculous. KN6 might defeat B, KN4 stands no chance without Bijuu Dama let alone shits, and I'm not even sure what to think about the implication that KN3 is even on B's level of power let alone above it. Repeated lariats=Dead KN4, probably a dead KN6 considering his only feat is being able to repel Shinra Tensei after anchoring himself to the ground. But considering we have no idea how powerful that Shinra Tensei was it's hard to claim that he rapes B like you are doing (loool) with just that feat, and a boost up from KN4's feats doesn't matter since his best feats don't come close to B's feats.

KN6 SPANKS Bee. Bee can't even damage him. Repeated Lariats won't work because Kn4 Naruto will overpower him every. single. time. Dead KN6? Even though he tanked TBB with no damage? Okay.. Let's also not forget KN Naruto heals damage instantaneously.
 
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