V1 Jubi Obito vs Sage Mode Madara

[KidGamer65]

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Looks like the same size if not bigger Lol

Yes so? What does that have to do with anything? In this thread Obitos dust release can't erase Madaras senjutsu ninjutsu fuesed attacks thats all, the only thing that can possibly break is his susanno sword, and I'm not even sure about that.

I really don't see Madara even having a chance at activating susano'o before getting sliced in half, I highly doubt he be able to, Obito also managed to blitz another senser (Naruto) and he couldn't even do anything to react to Obito, and Madara could barely react to Tsunade speed blitz, lel you can pull out the Madara was just toying with them card and I still wouldn't be able to make a conclusion about Madaras reaction time.

I might be wrong on some things though, I don't remember everything lel

That is the Bijuu Dama post explosion, and its not even bigger than that, don't even know what you are looking at.

What do you mean "in this thread" in anywhere Obito's Onmyoudon can't negate Senjutsu and Senjutsu strong enough can break through. That's a manga fact whether you like it or not. PS's blade cut Mountains, enhanced by Senjutsu, which trumps Onmyoudon, it breaks and Obito dies a terrible death.

He blocked Tsunade's attack so I don't even know what you are talking about.

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Naruto has no attacks that are activated on thought like Susanoo, and he clearly had time to process Obito was coming but couldn't get out of the way, if Naruto could process that Obito was coming, then Madara can activate Susanoo, which both only require mental action.

 

[KidGamer65]

obito blocks the two susanoo swords easily with his four chakra arms as these chakra arms are way more powerful than wooden constructs

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and then breaks madara's susanoo with his bombs, as madara is only protected by a thin layer and juubi's bombs>>>>any other bijuu(s)

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it was already said that

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, any clown with sage mode cannot defeat obito :leaf:

One fool didn't read the OP. Obito's chakra arms aren't doing shit to a mountain cutting blade enhanced by Senjutsu without getting cut, especially since Senjutsu Bijuu sized Rasengan was getting past his chakra arm defense.

If Madara was only protected by a thin layer, the explosion of Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama would have killed him as it covered the whole Susanoo, also, Bijuu Dama is restricted. So again, no, what are you even talking aboiut? V1 Juubito can't use Bijuu Dama.

 

[TheSages456]

obito blocks the two susanoo swords easily with his four chakra arms as these chakra arms are way more powerful than wooden constructs

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yup, these are the same chakra arms that got obliterated by a senjutsu rasengan,

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which doesnt have feats comparable to PS.

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and then breaks madara's susanoo with his bombs, as madara is only protected by a thin layer and juubi's bombs>>>>any other bijuu(s)

V1 juubito cant use juubidama trees. he has handheld bombs which dont even do mountain level damage.

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whats your point. the diamond is just as durable as any part of PS. the diamond didnt have any trouble standing up to a bijudama.

it was already said that

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, any clown with sage mode cannot defeat obito :leaf:

this was stated before juubitos weakness was discovered. if you argue this then you would have to claim that a team of naruto and minato are stronger than all 4 hokages together.

 

[thatgirl]

One fool didn't read the OP. Obito's chakra arms aren't doing shit to a mountain cutting blade enhanced by Senjutsu without getting cut, especially since Senjutsu Bijuu sized Rasengan was getting past his chakra arm defense.

the rasengan hit the base of the arms as due to ftg he couldnt catch it in time, if a bijuu dama hits the base of hashirama's wooden hands it too would get destroyed

hashirama's sage myojinmon gates got effortlessly destroyed by obito

If Madara was only protected by a thin layer, the explosion of Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama would have killed him as it covered the whole Susanoo, also, Bijuu Dama is restricted. So again, no, what are you even talking aboiut?

the susanoo sword stopped the bijuu dama well before it reached anywhere before madara

and juubi's bomb>>>>>any other bijuu

V1 Juubito can't use Bijuu Dama.

one fool doesnt read the manga

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yup, these are the same chakra arms that got obliterated by a senjutsu rasengan,

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which doesnt have feats comparable to PS.

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the barrier that held the juubi has 20 times better feats than susanoo and it got taken down

V1 juubito cant use juubidama trees. he has handheld bombs which dont even do mountain level damage.

hand-held bombs are good as they are too small to be blocked the swords like the last time and the diamond will get hit directly

pin-point damage will be dealt and btw the blast radius is as big as any bijuu dama

whats your point. the diamond is just as durable as any part of PS. the diamond didnt have any trouble standing up to a bijudama.

the swords stopped the bijuu-dama and it exploded well away from madara and his susanoo, madara obviously did not want to take a direct hit from it

this was stated before juubitos weakness was discovered. if you argue this then you would have to claim that a team of naruto and minato are stronger than all 4 hokages together.

i dont have a problem

 

[KidGamer65]

the rasengan hit the base of the arms as due to ftg he couldnt catch it in time, if a bijuu dama hits the base of hashirama's wooden hands it too would get destroyed

hashirama's sage myojinmon gates got effortlessly destroyed by obito

The chakra arms were still completely destroyed or very damaged.

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PS's blade will do worse.

Myoujinmoun isn't an offensive attack, so of course Obito can break it, it only sits on him so he can't move but he already has enough strength to break it. Shinsuusenju's punches are offensive and Obito can't block those.

the susanoo sword stopped the bijuu dama well before it reached anywhere before madara

and juubi's bomb>>>>>any other bijuu

The explosion busts Mountains. The explosion still covered him. Fact.

Obito can't use the Juubidama in this mode so try again.

one fool doesnt read the manga

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That's a bomb made from Onmyoudon, its not Bijuu Dama. Besides, its not even a Mountain buster, so its shit in this match.

 

[Trollasaur]

That is the Bijuu Dama post explosion, and its not even bigger than that, don't even know what you are looking at.

What do you mean "in this thread" in anywhere Obito's Onmyoudon can't negate Senjutsu and Senjutsu strong enough can break through. That's a manga fact whether you like it or not. PS's blade cut Mountains, enhanced by Senjutsu, which trumps Onmyoudon, it breaks and Obito dies a terrible death.

He blocked Tsunade's attack so I don't even know what you are talking about.

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Naruto has no attacks that are activated on thought like Susanoo, and he clearly had time to process Obito was coming but couldn't get out of the way, if Naruto could process that Obito was coming, then Madara can activate Susanoo, which both only require mental action.

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Look at the Bijju dama and then look at Obitos jubidama before exploding.

You obviously didn't get what I was saying let me be more clear, In this thread Madara has senjutsu, Obitos dust release can still be used offensivly it just can't erase senjutsu but it can still tank.

So you're telling me Madara has a reaction time close of KCM Naruto?

lel?

yup, these are the same chakra arms that got obliterated by a senjutsu rasengan,

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which doesnt have feats comparable to PS.

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V1 juubito cant use juubidama trees. he has handheld bombs which dont even do mountain level damage.

whats your point. the diamond is just as durable as any part of PS. the diamond didnt have any trouble standing up to a bijudama.

this was stated before juubitos weakness was discovered. if you argue this then you would have to claim that a team of naruto and minato are stronger than all 4 hokages together.

People clearly don't know the meaning of weakness on here.
Tell me how senjutsu is his weakness when he tanks senjutsu attacks better than all NV verse, it's simpliy the only thing that works on him.

A weakness for example would be kyrptonite from Superman.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Look at the Bijju dama and then look at Obitos jubidama before exploding.

You obviously didn't get what I was saying let me be more clear, In this thread Madara has senjutsu, Obitos dust release can still be used offensivly it just can't erase senjutsu but it can still tank.

So you're telling me Madara has a reaction time close of KCM Naruto?

lel?

lol? That was

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Still much smaller, so again, stop mentioning techniques that will have zero effect on Madara, that thing isn't a Mountain buster let alone strong enough to break PS.

Yes, I realize that, and this changes what exactly? Onmyoudon isn't strong enough to get past PS enhanced by Senjutsu chakra. It'd fail to erase it since its Senjutsu and it wouldn't even work. Its useless offensively and defensively.

If you read the manga, you would see Sasuke was able to process it as well, so yes Madara is activating Susanoo and this BS about Obito blitzing him before he does is nothing but...BS.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol? That was

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Still much smaller, so again, stop mentioning techniques that will have zero effect on Madara, that thing isn't a Mountain buster let alone strong enough to break PS.

Yes, I realize that, and this changes what exactly? Onmyoudon isn't strong enough to get past PS enhanced by Senjutsu chakra. It'd fail to erase it since its Senjutsu and it wouldn't even work. Its useless offensively and defensively.

If you read the manga, you would see Sasuke was able to process it as well, so yes Madara is activating Susanoo and this BS about Obito blitzing him before he does is nothing but...BS.

So in all the pics they were clones?

Are you kidding me right now? Check your eyes man, they are clearly the same/near same size....

The senjutsu won't add another layer of defence, other than susanoo not being able to be erased

Sauske barley reacted, and that wasn't even his fastest speed blitz but that part right there is opinion, I say that because he was in the ground. I can't prove it was slower though.

 

[thatgirl]

The chakra arms were still completely destroyed or very damaged.

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PS's blade will do worse.

Myoujinmoun isn't an offensive attack, so of course Obito can break it, it only sits on him so he can't move but he already has enough strength to break it. Shinsuusenju's punches are offensive and Obito can't block those.

i will give you another example

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susanoo swords can be stopped by wooden arms and yet they can still destroy wooden arms

the difference is where they strike

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metallic swords can cut through human flesh and yet naruto can block them

cause he stopped the movement of the swords by stopping them at the correct time

The explosion busts Mountains. The explosion still covered him. Fact.

Obito can't use the Juubidama in this mode so try again.

eh the best way to explain it would be this

if a bomb explodes a distance away from the target it would deal little to no damage, but if it makes contact with the target its a different case altogether

take killer bee, he gets covered by the combined explosion of naruto and the bijuus

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comes out fine

gets hit by a standard bijuu bomb

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instant knock out

That's a bomb made from Onmyoudon, its not Bijuu Dama. Besides, its not even a Mountain buster, so its shit in this match.

think again

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thats gamakichi and thats the full explosion

boss summons are regular bijuu sized bar the full kyuubi

however that should not be what you should be worrying about, the fact that its an immensely condensed ball of juubi's chakra is what makes it superior to other standard bijuu damas

 

[KidGamer65]

So in all the pics they were clones?

Are you kidding me right now? Check your eyes man, they are clearly the same/near same size....

The senjutsu won't add another layer of defence, other than susanoo not being able to be erased

Sauske barley reacted, and that wasn't even his fastest speed blitz but that part right there is opinion, I say that because he was in the ground. I can't prove it was slower though.

The first pic was the same instance as the second pic and he was in Susanoo the third pic, he had no need to evade when he can tank her attack.

lol, no, they aren't. Half of

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. See that cloud of smoke it created? You can see that cloud in the next panel when Naruto and Co. are looking at it, not Mountain sized, not even close. Again, get your eyes checked they are not the same size, saying they are is absolutely foolish.

Are you even reading the manga? Senjutsu attacks can't be erased so it becomes a regular defense, just how it was when it blocked Rasengan. If it wasn't Senjutsu, Rasengan would have been disintegrated just like

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i will give you another example

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susanoo swords can be stopped by wooden arms and yet they can still destroy wooden arms

the difference is where they strike

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metallic swords can cut through human flesh and yet naruto can block them

cause he stopped the movement of the swords by stopping them at the correct time

Ok, I see your point now, but since Madara has two swords, when Obito blocks one, he can cut the others down, not to mention his swings are fast,

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. Obito isn't blocking.

eh the best way to explain it would be this

if a bomb explodes a distance away from the target it would deal little to no damage, but if it makes contact with the target its a different case altogether

take killer bee, he gets covered by the combined explosion of naruto and the bijuus

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comes out fine

gets hit by a standard bijuu bomb

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instant knock out

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was the explosion of those Bijuu Dama. B was nowhere near that explosion as it was in the sky above Mountains. That invalidates this whole point.

think again

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thats gamakichi and thats the full explosion

boss summons are regular bijuu sized bar the full kyuubi

however that should not be what you should be worrying about, the fact that its an immensely condensed ball of juubi's chakra is what makes it superior to other standard bijuu damas

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, who is not Bijuu sized.

So that explosion isn't Mountain sized, also, that is Onmyoudon, not a Bijuu Dama as seen how Obito charges it up and fires,

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It explodes the

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way Onmyoudon does. We know that is Onmyoudon cause it came from his

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and was

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[Trollasaur]

The first pic was the same instance as the second pic and he was in Susanoo the third pic, he had no need to evade when he can tank her attack.

lol, no, they aren't. Half of

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. See that cloud of smoke it created? You can see that cloud in the next panel when Naruto and Co. are looking at it, not Mountain sized, not even close. Again, get your eyes checked they are not the same size, saying they are is absolutely foolish.

Are you even reading the manga? Senjutsu attacks can't be erased so it becomes a regular defense, just how it was when it blocked Rasengan. If it wasn't Senjutsu, Rasengan would have been disintegrated just like

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Ok, I see your point now, but since Madara has two swords, when Obito blocks one, he can cut the others down, not to mention his swings are fast,

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. Obito isn't blocking.

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was the explosion of those Bijuu Dama. B was nowhere near that explosion as it was in the sky above Mountains. That invalidates this whole point.

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as

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, who is not Bijuu sized.

So that explosion isn't Mountain sized, also, that is Onmyoudon, not a Bijuu Dama as seen how Obito charges it up and fires,

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It explodes the

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way Onmyoudon does. We know that is Onmyoudon cause it came from his

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The smoke doesn't look much bigger at all, and before exploding it's looks like the same exact size.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I said that senjutsu can't be erased what are you smoking?

This isn't confirmed or anything, but I'm pretty sure that the Jubidama and Obitos dust release thing are the same thing.

 

[KidGamer65]

The smoke doesn't look much bigger at all, and before exploding it's looks like the same exact size.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I said that senjutsu can't be erased what are you smoking?

Obito's Onmyoudon bomb and Naruto's Flash Bijuu Dama are not the same size pre explosion, that is fact.

They aren't the same size post explosion unless you are arguing Obito's bomb dwarfed Mountains, when in reality as shown in thatgirl's scan, its not.

Then stop mentioning Onmyoudon cause it is absolutely useless here.

 

[Trollasaur]

Obito's Onmyoudon bomb and Naruto's Flash Bijuu Dama are not the same size pre explosion, that is fact.

They aren't the same size post explosion unless you are arguing Obito's bomb dwarfed Mountains, when in reality as shown in thatgirl's scan, its not.

Then stop mentioning Onmyoudon cause it is absolutely useless here.

There aren't any mountains where Obito is fighting.

How is it useless when it's basically a Jubibomb?

How is it useless when it can cause damage and tank?

The only thing that it can't do is erase senjutsu.

It can still tank it though.

It's not useless at all.
Manga fact

 

[KidGamer65]

There aren't any mountains where Obito is fighting.

How is it useless when it's basically a Jubibomb?

How is it useless when it can cause damage and tank?

The only thing that it can't do is erase senjutsu.

It can still tank it though.

It's not useless at all.
Manga fact

Doesn't mean we can't tell if its Mountain sized or not.

Its useless because its Onmyoudon, which can't hurt Senjutsu.

It can't cause damage against Senjutsu attacks, it causing damage=erasing Ninjutsu. Which doesn't work on Senjutsu as seen with the Bijuu sized Rasengan. Manga fact.

It couldn't even tank a Rasengan without cracking, PS's blade would cut right through it, manga fact.

Its useless.

MANGA FACT.

 

[Trollasaur]

Doesn't mean we can't tell if its Mountain sized or not.

Its useless because its Onmyoudon, which can't hurt Senjutsu.

It can't cause damage against Senjutsu attacks, it causing damage=erasing Ninjutsu. Which doesn't work on Senjutsu as seen with the Bijuu sized Rasengan. Manga fact.

It couldn't even tank a Rasengan without cracking, PS's blade would cut right through it, manga fact.

Its useless.

MANGA FACT.

lel I want scans stating that it can't hurt senjutu.

 

[KidGamer65]

lel I want scans stating that it can't hurt senjutu.

Disintegrated Kunai when it made contact.

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Failed to do so to SM Rasengan.

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[Trollasaur]

Disintegrated Kunai when it made contact.

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Failed to do so to SM Rasengan.

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Yeah it erases everything but senjutsu, it can still tank and cause damage to something like susano'o infused with senjutsu.

Especially if Obito decides to make something thats biiju bomb sized.....

Erasing is just an added perk to his jubi bombs.....

if that makes sense...

Susano'o wont be tanking this

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[KidGamer65]

Yeah it erases everything but senjutsu, it can still tank and cause damage to something like susano'o infused with senjutsu.

Especially if Obito decides to make something thats biiju bomb sized.....

Erasing is just an added perk to his jubi bombs.....

if that makes sense...

No it can't. It isn't damaging a Senjutsu Susanoo when

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Erasure and Damage are the same thing for Onmyoudon at this point.

 

[Trollasaur]

No it can't. It isn't damaging a Senjutsu Susanoo when

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Erasure and Damage are the same thing for Onmyoudon at this point.

This is going to sound faboyish, but Obito can damage that shit if he made it bijju sized, and wasn't using it defencly.

Something else I would like to say, that's like saying Narutos mini tbb can damage susano'o because it's a tbb.

and futhermore anything Naruto can demolish with his tbb whether it be senjutsu or not Obito can do the same due to him having the same tech but upgraded.

if this all makes sense to you.



I rest my case.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is going to sound faboyish, but Obito can damage that shit if he made it bijju sized, and wasn't using it defencly.

Something else I would like to say, that's like saying Narutos mini tbb can damage susano'o because it's a tbb.

and futhermore anything Naruto can demolish with his tbb whether it be senjutsu or not Obito can do the same due to him having the same tech but upgraded.

if this all makes sense to you.



I rest my case.

No, he can't. Onmyoudon can't damage Senjutsu as shown multiple times in the manga, if it could it would have disintegrated Sasuke's Susanoo when it made contact just like when the Kunai made contact. Obito was using it defensively when the Kunai hit so your point about that is moot.

Obito doesn't have Bijuu Dama in his V1 form. He only has Onmyoudon, which is not the same as Bijuu Dama at all.