V1 Bee VS Kakuzu

[Curse Mark]

He is but he's asking why I made this thread.

Didn't realize you were OP lol, I was just curious if that's what you were saying. I see now.

Which he can't hold forever? Since it slows him down as well and it's constant use of Chakra while he can't harm B?

Not to mention can't B just make use of his Raiton facilities to counter Doton as well? Due to its weakness?

OT bee takes this but if he lariats a full body domu he breaks his arm.

 

[Beans2]

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. Sure Kyuubi chakra>>>Hachibi chakra but the same applies to Obito and Madara's katon. Furthermore, Naruto effortlessly

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I would actually say that Kakuzu's attack is hotter than Obito and Madara's katons considering that the energy of their attacks are dispersed over a much wider area than Kakuzu's and less focused, as well as lacking a fuuton enhancement. But the Amaterasu point probably proves you right.

 

[LuckyMan]

Didn't realize you were OP lol, I was just curious if that's what you were saying. I see now.


OT bee takes this but if he lariats a full body domu he breaks his arm.

Probably not. Consider this, Ay can smash ribcage Susanoo with his karate chops. Is Domu stronger than Ribcage Susanoo? Absolutely not, so Ay would smash Domu and not because he wears Raiton Armor since his Raiton Armor doesn't give him more physical power. Bee overpowered Ay in a lariat clash, now can Base Bee smash ribcage Susanoo too? Maybe, maybe not, that feat is iffy because Ay tanked Bee's lariat just before that and didn't flinch, then a simple elbow with zero momentum to Bee's rib knocked him away and made him cough up blood. If we take it that Bee is stronger than Ay, then yes, Bee's Lariat will break Domu easily but if you acknowledge that you also have to acknowledge Base Bee would smash ribcage Susanoo too despite V2 Bee not even being able to smash Samehada. Weird as hell right?

 

[Beans2]

Probably not. Consider this, Ay can smash ribcage Susanoo with his karate chops. Is Domu stronger than Ribcage Susanoo? Absolutely not, so Ay would smash Domu and not because he wears Raiton Armor since his Raiton Armor doesn't give him more physical power. Bee overpowered Ay in a lariat clash, now can Base Bee smash ribcage Susanoo too? Maybe, maybe not, that feat is iffy because Ay tanked Bee's lariat just before that and didn't flinch, then a simple elbow with zero momentum to Bee's rib knocked him away and made him cough up blood. If we take it that Bee is stronger than Ay, then yes, Bee's Lariat will break Domu easily but if you acknowledge that you also have to acknowledge Base Bee would smash ribcage Susanoo too despite V2 Bee not even being able to smash Samehada. Weird as hell right?

Base Bee being able to break through ribcage Susanoo is retarded. V1 Bee's lariat can't even cut Sasuke in half, so it breaking through a Domu-clad Kakuzu is obviously not happening.

 

[Apêx1]

Stupid thread, Base Bee wins

 

[LuckyMan]

Base Bee being able to break through ribcage Susanoo is retarded. V1 Bee's lariat can't even cut Sasuke in half, so it breaking through a Domu-clad Kakuzu is obviously not happening.

Right, thats the point I was going to get too however the manga showed Bee overpowering Ay in the Lariat clash and I've seen people pull that card before like "Oh Base Bee is physically stronger than Ay manga showed it" only because it benefited their argument at the time. This is a perfect example of an inconsistency on Kishi's part.

 

[Apêx1]

Right, thats the point I was going to get too however the manga showed Bee overpowering Ay in the Lariat clash and I've seen people pull that card before like "Oh Base Bee is physically stronger than Ay manga showed it" only because it benefited their argument at the time. This is a perfect example of an inconsistency on Kishi's part.

That makes no sense. Not cutting Sasuke in half doesn't mean anything when v1 Bee with only 3 tails can create this match destruction by crashing into the ground.

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Sasuke's kick could not even move back Bee half an inch

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. Someone with the strength to literally flip Naruto over by lifting his arm

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. Bee flips over massive animals like they're nothing without breaking a sweat

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. Don't know where this 'overpowering Ay doesn't count' but it makes no sense. The only reason v1 didn't cut through Sasuke is because he'd be dead and that can't happen. But we've already seen what a v1 2 tailed Naruto could do (who's not too different from Bee) could do, and he sent Orochimaru 100 meters+ away with one punch and ripped his arm off. It was merely for plot that Sasuke did not get bisected, it doesn't detract from Bee's other feats.

 

[LuckyMan]

That makes no sense. Not cutting Sasuke in half doesn't mean anything when v1 Bee with only 3 tails can create this match destruction by crashing into the ground.

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Sasuke's kick could not even move back Bee half an inch

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. Someone with the strength to literally flip Naruto over by lifting his arm

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. Bee flips over massive animals like they're nothing without breaking a sweat

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. Don't know where this 'overpowering Ay doesn't count' but it makes no sense. The only reason v1 didn't cut through Sasuke is because he'd be dead and that can't happen. But we've already seen what a v1 2 tailed Naruto could do (who's not too different from Bee) could do, and he sent Orochimaru 100 meters+ away with one punch and ripped his arm off. It was merely for plot that Sasuke did not get bisected, it doesn't detract from Bee's other feats.

So you agree Base Bee can shatter Ribcage Susanoo?

Yes or No?

 

[Apêx1]

So you agree Base Bee can shatter Ribcage Susanoo?

Yes or No?

He can replicate this feat

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[Ghost in the Shell]

tbh i'm inclined to think that kakuzu shits on the hachibi himself at this stage

is there even manga proof that bijuudama wouldn't get bisected by juubi sized raiton gian

 

[NarutoX28]

Lariat isn't meant to pierce your opponent when done alone. That's why it's been stated that with the Double Lariat, both combatants need to apply the same amount of force in order to do so. Because Bee's the only one applying the force, the overall force is unbalanced and so Sasuke's neck didn't get pierced.

It doesn't really matter because like Apex stated, 3 Tailed Bee literally caused that much destruction with a Lariat. The destruction far surpassed what V2 Raikage has ever shown and even he managed a small crack on Madara's Ribcage Susano'o which seems superior to Taka Sasuke's Ribcage Susano'o IMO.

 

[LuckyMan]

He can replicate this feat

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I didn't ask you that. I asked you can Base Bee shatter Ribcage Susanoo like Ay did

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? Remember, this wasn't Ay moving in at top speed to boost the impact behind his hit like Bee did when he busted that ground against Taka. This was stationary Ay, merely standing in place, swung his karate chop, and shattered it.

Can Base Bee replicate this feat yes or no?

This is my last post for tonight too. I'm tired, I'll reply tomorrow or I guess later today since technically its tomorrow already. Later.

 

[Apêx1]

I didn't ask you that. I asked you can Base Bee shatter Ribcage Susanoo like Ay did

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? Remember, this wasn't Ay moving in at top speed to boost the impact behind his hit like Bee did when he busted that ground against Taka. This was stationary Ay, merely standing in place, swung his karate chop, and shattered it.

Can Base Bee replicate this feat yes or no?

This is my last post for tonight too. I'm tired, I'll reply tomorrow or I guess later today since technically its tomorrow already. Later.

That wasn't due to physical strength, that was a penetrative attack. We have already seen it cleanly cut Hachibi's horn [

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]. Don't know why you're mentioning it because Bee has nothing like it. Ay's pure strength did what I linked, and I said Bee can replicate that feat. This attack is like taking a hammer and smashing a nail through something, so you're applying all that force onto a small area. I didn't answer you question because Ay didn't shatter Susano when he used Liger Bomb which was pure strength, unlike his Horizontal Chop which focuses his power over an extremely small area of his Raiton shroud. Bee has nothing like it, so no, he can't shatter v1 in Base like that but he can definitely crack it like Ay did with pure strength.

 

[Dreamland]

Killer B wins.

 

[LuckyMan]

That wasn't due to physical strength, that was a penetrative attack. We have already seen it cleanly cut Hachibi's horn [

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]. Don't know why you're mentioning it because Bee has nothing like it. Ay's pure strength did what I linked, and I said Bee can replicate that feat. This attack is like taking a hammer and smashing a nail through something, so you're applying all that force onto a small area. I didn't answer you question because Ay didn't shatter Susano when he used Liger Bomb which was pure strength, unlike his Horizontal Chop which focuses his power over an extremely small area of his Raiton shroud. Bee has nothing like it, so no, he can't shatter v1 in Base like that but he can definitely crack it like Ay did with pure strength.

That was due to Ay's physical strength. A hole wasn't put in Susanoo like a penetrative attack normally would. It was shattered into pieces and thats a direct result of Ay's physical strength. Ay's power in that hit didn't come from his Raiton Armor, nor was the damage the result of Raiton Armor. When Ay wants to focus power and cut something off, he does, as shown when he focuses it on only his hand without the armor and cut his own arm off. If that attack wasn't a result of physical strength then Sasuke would have died when his neck was hit. Most of the damage was absorbed by Susanoo so when Ay's hand hit Sasuke he was only knocked away. If it was a result of Raiton (penetrating), Sasuke's neck would have been sawed off because Raiton doesn't lose its penetrating/cutting power when it goes through something the first time.

 

[Apêx1]

That was due to Ay's physical strength. A hole wasn't put in Susanoo like a penetrative attack normally would. It was shattered into pieces and thats a direct result of Ay's physical strength. Ay's power in that hit didn't come from his Raiton Armor, nor was the damage the result of Raiton Armor. When Ay wants to focus power and cut something off, he does, as shown when he focuses it on only his hand without the armor and cut his own arm off. If that attack wasn't a result of physical strength then Sasuke would have died when his neck was hit. Most of the damage was absorbed by Susanoo so when Ay's hand hit Sasuke he was only knocked away. If it was a result of Raiton (penetrating), Sasuke's neck would have been sawed off because Raiton doesn't lose its penetrating/cutting power when it goes through something the first time.

Did you miss the nail with hammer analogy? I know you didn't, and a nail with a hammer cracks a brick in half, it doesn't put a hole in it. That's all that needs to be said here, because Bee has nothing like that.

 

[Guntah]

V1 B has this....

 

[Zexion~]

:lol what is being argued about lariat here? Based on the damage a stronger version did to Kisame it doesn't touch Kakuzu in Domu.

 

[EZQ]

He can replicate this feat

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Ligher bomb is Ay's jutsu and i don't think Bee can replicate it just like that. It was never hinted that the jutsu is pure brute strenght, maybe it has chakra enhaced release like Sakura releasing chakra at last moment

 

[Curse Mark]

It was never hinted that the jutsu is pure brute strenght, maybe it has chakra enhaced release like Sakura releasing chakra at last moment

@Bold: It was never hinted it wasn't.
@Underlined: Exactly. Maybe. Pure speculation.