#Uzumaki

[Michael]

People here are under the impression the Uzumaki and Senju are two entirely different clans and aren't related.

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Ashura otsutsuki bloodline split off into two clans, senju and uzumaki. The senju and uzumaki are related/blood relatives, the uzumaki are considered senju lineage. Even more so when Hashirama married Mito Uzumaki.

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Madara entrusted his rinnegan to Nagato Uzumaki, he even reffered to Nagato as senju.

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People should stop treating the Senju/Uzumaki as two seperate clans, they really aren't blood wise. Even Ashura their ancestor incarnates into both Senju and Uzumaki.

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[Guntah]

The bloodlines are pretty similar, but there are stuff about one clan that don't mach that much with the other, I can kinda see it though.

 

[Michael]

The bloodlines are pretty similar, but there are stuff about one clan that don't mach that much with the other, I can kinda see it though.

Well madara reffered to Nagato as senju and the fact senju power is needed to awaken/control rinnegan which Nagato did the best. Nagato is Uzumaki yet is regarded as a powerful senju.

 

[Guntah]

Well madara reffered to Nagato as senju and the fact senju power is needed to awaken/control rinnegan which Nagato did the best. Nagato is Uzumaki yet is regarded as a powerful senju.

Did he? When?

 

[SenseiSama]

They share the same bloodline but Uzumaki are unique enough to be considered a separate clan with their own bloodline because they have their own KKG, specialize in fuin jutsu and have more amounts of life force than Senju.

 

[Michael]

Did he? When?

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[Wabbit]

So HashirmaxMito is incest

 

[Michael]

So HashirmaxMito is incest

Theoretically, all nv clans commit incest. XD

 

[Guntah]

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Huh...fair enough. Different clans with differnt specialities and looks, but the same progenitor and the same bloodline.

So HashirmaxMito is incest

Incest for the wincest.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Facepalm. If they are the same thing then why does the nv consider them 2 different clans. You are literally going against what the manga has clearly established. Zetsu didn't mean Nagato was an actual senju but his bloodline is from/related to the senju. Madara likely couldn't find an appropriate senju for his plan so he went for the next best thing. That is what Kishi meant. They are related but they are still 2 sperate clans close but no cigar , no matter what you think that doesn't change .

 

[Michael]

Facepalm. If they are the same thing then why does the nv consider them 2 different clans. You are literally going against what the manga has clearly established. Zetsu didn't mean Nagato was an actual senju but his bloodline is related to the senju. Madara likely couldn't find an appropriate senju for his plan so he went for the next best thing. That is what Kishi meant. They are related but they are still 2 sperate clans close but no cigar , no matter what you think that doesn't change .

No shit, I only stated they are blood relatives and share the same ancestor.

 

[Guntah]

Facepalm. If they are the same thing then why does the nv consider them 2 different clans. You are literally going against what the manga has clearly established. Zetsu didn't mean Nagato was an actual senju but his bloodline is related to the senju. Madara likely couldn't find an appropriate senju for his plan so he went for the next best thing. That is what Kishi meant. They are related but they are still 2 sperate clans close but no cigar , no matter what you think that doesn't change .

Well, IT IS is possible for a clan to split in two due to some disagreement or difference. At least according to feudal japan it is. Or according to the manga if you take into account how the Ootsusuki split into Senju and Uchiha due to Indra and Ashura's conflict.

 

[Styles]

They're related as much as Senju and Uchiha are related.

 

[Michael]

They're related as much as Senju and Uchiha are related.

Well indra and ashura are brothers so. . . :Sparks:

 

[Calpal]

related but not the same. Thats like saying my cousins son is my son

 

[Wabbit]

Theoretically, all nv clans commit incest. XD

No wonder their descendents were retarded and died out :th:

 

[wanderingcactus]

or why do you treat it as 2 clans from Ashura's lineage.

its true that in the end, they joined in together only to be the last nail on their coffin and practically breed the last 2 or 3 people of their own clan but how it started is in a totally different manner.

The only suggestion that the Uzumakis even came from Ashura's lineage is Naruto being his transmigrant but thats merely since theres no other Senjus around. Most likely to force Naruto to be Ashura's transmigrant because you know Kishi's writting can be terrible.

What I dont get is why say distant blood relatives when they simply couldve said distant relatives.

Also the fact that Kishi made the whole YinYang theme with twin bros.

then theres also Toneri which is almost the exact copy of Naruto when it came to chakra cloaks.

idk Senju and Uzumaki just have way different affinities yet close enough that they could be relatives

also if you take a look at the clan placement, you can see that the Uchiha and Senju are next to each other.

Hyuga are on the eastern outskirts of konoha and just beyond that is the hidden eddy which is the uzumaki.

hyuga clan is much closer in proximity than any of the uchiha or senju clan they are more western part of konoha.

this is another one of the reasons why I dont think that the uzumakis are even from hagoromos lineage.

 

[00Rinne]

The problem I have with Madara given Nagato the Rinne is,. There is no panel of him doing so. (just that jive about giving Nagato the Rinne as a child) If Madara was attached to the mazou when his sharingan evolved into the Rinne, then how did he give Nagato the Rinne? He was old an needed the mazou for it's life force. (Once he detached from the mazou he did right after)

He even states Nagato is of Senju lineage being Uzumaki. Is it not possible that one of Ashura's descendants activated a doujutsu.

Madara died with his own Rinne & he an BZ lied to Obito to take Nagato's real Rinne. Nagato used the Rinne better then all of them for the simple fact that he used all the paths with other techs that wasn't path techs but separate Rinne tech's.

Madara wasn't revived with Rnne-rebirth so he didn't have his own eye like planned. But instead was revived as an edo with limted Rinne tech's already available.

The eyes is BZ plann! Zetsu knew Obito couldn't pull off Tsukuyomi because he's not a migrant an he doesn't meet the right requirements. I think Nagato's Rinne was a back up plan just in case Obito didn't do as he promised an revived Madara with Rinne-rebirth.

(Sorry to go off on a jagg but i've been thinking about this for awhile because the scans/panels of Madara giving Nagato the Rinne don't exist an that's a big deal to the plot. The black goo & Madara have been deceiving & manipulative the entire show so lying to Obito would be no big feat)

 

[Melanin]

Basically yea lol, Asura just had two wives which most likely divided the bloodline into two variations.

 

[Jiren]

They aren't the same clan but they share one similar trait having great chakra level and stamina. Uzumaki specialize in seals. Senju specialize in everything else