[VS] Uzumaki Nagato vs. Namikaze Minato

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Location: SA vs. Madara / Obito / Juubi
Knowledge: Nagato knows Minato is extremely fast and Minato knows Nagato is the leader of Akatsuki
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Distance: 25 Meters
Conditions: Minato is alive, but he has KCM.


Who wins?
I say Nagato low - mid diff.
And yes I'm starting this because I'm an ass hat.



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Minato wins. He has a counter for every technique Nagato has.
 

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Deva Path.. :rolleyes: Which means Shinra Tensei, Bansho Tenin and Chibaku Tensei.

Okay, let's go.

Shinra Tensei - it can be avoided through not being close to Nagato ( since ST works as a circle around him ), FTG ( marks and kunais ) or simply tanked, since KCM chakra cloak already tanked lava and no way in hell Shinra Tensei is more damaging than lava.

Not only that, 6tails Naruto already forced Pain to use Chibaku Tensei since he dealt no damage to Naruto. KCM is more than that.

Bansho Ten'in is avoided through either speed or FTG. It deals no damage, but Nagato would use Human Path which must be avoided at all costs.

Chibaku Tensei is avoided through FTG to an object that cannot be pulled ( a mountain, a summoned frog which was sent away or even Nagato ) or warped via the S/T barrier to God knows where.
 

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Okay, let's go.

Shinra Tensei - it can be avoided through not being close to Nagato ( since ST works as a circle around him ), FTG ( marks and kunais ) or simply tanked, since KCM chakra cloak already tanked lava and no way in hell Shinra Tensei is more damaging than lava.

That was fire not lava. A Shinra Tensei has a good enough range. Nagato can use Bansho Tenin to pull both him and the kunai closer and then he can simply use Shinra Tensei. Or Bansho Tenin + Human Path

Not only that, 6tails Naruto already forced Pain to use Chibaku Tensei since he dealt no damage to Naruto. KCM is more than that.

That was only Deva Pain, and it was said Nagato is on a whole different level/scale at using the Rinnegan techniques than Pain.

Bansho Ten'in is avoided through either speed or FTG. It deals no damage, but Nagato would use Human Path which must be avoided at all costs.

He can't avoid throught speed sinc he will be pulled towards Nagato, but it is possible to avoid it with FTG. However, Nagato can Bansho Tenin the FTG kunai as well.

Chibaku Tensei is avoided through FTG to an object that cannot be pulled ( a mountain, a summoned frog which was sent away or even Nagato ) or warped via the S/T barrier to God knows where.

Everything can be pulled. Even Minato's FTG kunai will be pulled. He could possibly send it to somewhere with the S/T Barrier, but Nagato won't allow that. He can simply use Bansho Tenin to pull and take away Minato's kunai which would be needed for the S/T Barrier.
 

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Sadly this isn't the front page XD
OT: Nagato mid diff.
 

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Sadly this isn't the front page XD
OT: Nagato mid diff.

Hey, man. Yeah, I'm not really allowed to post it in the front page, but you can post a thread ''Check this out'' and link it to this thread xD.
 

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That was fire not lava. A Shinra Tensei has a good enough range. Nagato can use Bansho Tenin to pull both him and the kunai closer and then he can simply use Shinra Tensei. Or Bansho Tenin + Human Path



That was only Deva Pain, and it was said Nagato is on a whole different level/scale at using the Rinnegan techniques than Pain.



He can't avoid throught speed sinc he will be pulled towards Nagato, but it is possible to avoid it with FTG. However, Nagato can Bansho Tenin the FTG kunai as well.



Everything can be pulled. Even Minato's FTG kunai will be pulled. He could possibly send it to somewhere with the S/T Barrier, but Nagato won't allow that. He can simply use Bansho Tenin to pull and take away Minato's kunai which would be needed for the S/T Barrier.

First of all,



Though he can still feel pain, this form's chakra shroud gives Naruto a great amount of protection; regular swords are unable to pierce it, extreme heat temperatures slightly burn him,[36][37] and extreme physical attacks do little damage.


Nagato can't pull Minato with Bansho Ten'in for the sole reason that Minato is faster than the sharingan can perceive and much more than the Rinnegan can, seeing as how the Sharingan has precog, whereas the Rinnegan does not ( which is why Tobi gave his edos a sharingan and a rinnegan )

Not only that, Bansho Ten'in endangers him to the point where he can be tagged and then he's dead.

That was only Deva Pain, and it was said Nagato is on a whole different level/scale at using the Rinnegan techniques than Pain.

and Hiruzen was noted to know every Konoha tech but we don't see claims of him having FTG. We work with feats and as far as we have seen Shinra Tensei doesn't even scratch the bijuu cloak.

He could possibly send it to somewhere with the S/T Barrier, but Nagato won't allow that. He can simply use Bansho Tenin to pull and take away Minato's kunai which would be needed for the S/T Barrier.

Minato -is- holding the kunai when he places the barrier. Pulling it means pulling Minato.
 

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First of all,


Oh you mean that lava armor, ok my bad. Still, Naruto took damage from it and he was in pain. The Shinra Tensei will damage Minato due to the impact when he hits something hard such as the floor, rock, etc.


Nagato can't pull Minato with Bansho Ten'in for the sole reason that Minato is faster than the sharingan can perceive and much more than the Rinnegan can, seeing as how the Sharingan has precog, whereas the Rinnegan does not ( which is why Tobi gave his edos a sharingan and a rinnegan )

It can pull him. The Rinnegan is superior to the Sharingan. Nagato simply pulls everything in all the kunais and there you go. Minato can't teleport any more and then Nagato can pull him as well.

Not only that, Bansho Ten'in endangers him to the point where he can be tagged and then he's dead.

Preta Path is the answer. The seal needs Minato's chakra to activate so either the seal will be absrobed or if not then Nagato has a second chakra reserve, seeing as he can keep up sucking up Minato's chakra from the seal (If he tries to teleport and if he does manage to teleport what then? He is going to hit him with a Rasengan which is countered by Preta or Deva? Not to mention that the Rinnegan can see the chakra emitting from the seals.


and Hiruzen was noted to know every Konoha tech but we don't see claims of him having FTG. We work with feats and as far as we have seen Shinra Tensei doesn't even scratch the bijuu cloak.

Nope. The impact of Minato crushing into a floor, rock, etc.. will damage Minato.


Minato -is- holding the kunai when he places the barrier. Pulling it means pulling Minato.

Sure. That benefits Nagato because he will be pulling the kunai while Minato is pulled by the CT so if Minato doesn't let go... Off goes the hands..
 

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The Shinra Tensei will damage Minato due to the impact when he hits something hard such as the floor, rock, etc.

Not.. really, no. Swords were unable to break through and so did Lava. Plus, they are fighting in a flat area and ST pushes you in a straight line, so he would have to fly a lot to be hit by it.

It can pull him. The Rinnegan is superior to the Sharingan. Nagato simply pulls everything in all the kunais and there you go. Minato can't teleport any more and then Nagato can pull him as well.

Not when it comes to taijutsu, it is not. Rinnegan provides a 360 degree vision, sure, but what good will that be when Minato moves at instant speed? Rinnegan is only good when you want to defend from all sides against opponents you can see. and Nagato can't keep track of Minato.

If you think about it, the Sharingan ( which has superior precog than Rinnegan, if Rinnegan has any at all ) was unable to keep track of V2 Ay.

KCM Naruto is faster than V2 Ay.

Minato is faster than Naruto.

Thus KCM Minato > KCM Naruto > V2 Ay in speed.

If the sharingan could not keep track of Ay, no chance in hell Nagato can keep track of Minato.

Nagato simply pulls everything in all the kunais and there you go.

Minato can tag any surface he sees. Not only that, if Nagato pulls something it leaves him open for 5 seconds.

Preta Path is the answer. The seal needs Minato's chakra to activate so either the seal will be absrobed or if not then Nagato has a second chakra reserve, seeing as he can keep up sucking up Minato's chakra from the seal (If he tries to teleport and if he does manage to teleport what then? He is going to hit him with a Rasengan which is countered by Preta or Deva? Not to mention that the Rinnegan can see the chakra emitting from the seals.

Minato's tagging up until now was not noticed by anyone. Neither that fodder nor Obito, whom has the Sharingan and can see chakra just as well.

You are correct about Preta absorbing chakra, but he needs to be aware of it first.

(If he tries to teleport and if he does manage to teleport what then? He is going to hit him with a Rasengan which is countered by Preta or Deva?

Nay, he will use good ol' taijutsu.

A base Minato with a kunai was able to cut through Bee's tentacle ( a feat the 3rd Raikage and Chidori Sharp Spear share ) but let's not forget Minato now has KCM form, which is amazingly more powerful than base form.

A feat of speculation, though it's still there. Minato was preparing to stab Raikage with his kunai before Bee stopped him. If Bee was that worried about Raikage it would suggest he'd be able to pierce the Raiton Shroud, though that is mere speculation.

Furthermore, in KCM form, Naruto was able to push a Tailed Beast Bomb through a barrier, which is no small feat, seeing as how TBBs are extremely heavy.

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He also knocked out a zetsu with a single kick, which isn't exactly a small feat seeing as how they are made out of Hashirama DNA.

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CT so if Minato doesn't let go... Off goes the hands..

Sure. Then Minato can warp to the Kunai and stab Nagato.

Remember Nagato has no knowledge on FTG so he would never expect Minato to pop out of CT and stab him in the face.
 
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I'll counter later. I'm busy currently.
 

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Nagato wins but i'd like to see what Borgard Jr can do in this heated debate.
 

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Minato has no solid counter for Chibaku Tensei, so this goes to Nagato.​

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Not.. really, no. Swords were unable to break through and so did Lava. Plus, they are fighting in a flat area and ST pushes you in a straight line, so he would have to fly a lot to be hit by it.

Lava damaged it. Shinra Tensei > Swords. The Shinra Tensei alone will rearrange the battlefield so it won't be flat anymore. Besides this isn't a flat area anyways..


Not when it comes to taijutsu, it is not. Rinnegan provides a 360 degree vision, sure, but what good will that be when Minato moves at instant speed? Rinnegan is only good when you want to defend from all sides against opponents you can see. and Nagato can't keep track of Minato.

If you think about it, the Sharingan ( which has superior precog than Rinnegan, if Rinnegan has any at all ) was unable to keep track of V2 Ay.

KCM Naruto is faster than V2 Ay.

Minato is faster than Naruto.

Thus KCM Minato > KCM Naruto > V2 Ay in speed.

If the sharingan could not keep track of Ay, no chance in hell Nagato can keep track of Minato.

Like it or not, Minato has to use seals to teleport from place to place. Seals which Nagato will see with the Rinnegan so he can either use Shinra Tensei to rearrange the battlefield or if it the seals are on the kunai he can destroy them with Shinra Tensei as well or with Asura Path.

After that Nagato can keep track of Minato because he will have to use the speed of KCM. Thus Nagato can use Bansho Tenin, suck his KCM up with Preta and finish him off with Human Path or a chakra road.



Minato can tag any surface he sees. Not only that, if Nagato pulls something it leaves him open for 5 seconds.

Nagato sees those seals with the Rinnegan so Shinra Tensei should rearrange the battlefield and destroy those seals. That was Pain's weakness not Nagato's.


Minato's tagging up until now was not noticed by anyone. Neither that fodder nor Obito, whom has the Sharingan and can see chakra just as well.

You are correct about Preta absorbing chakra, but he needs to be aware of it first.

The Rinnegan can view far more than the Sharingan and it is far more superior. Nagato's Rinnegan can see chakra so that's about it.


Nay, he will use good ol' taijutsu.

A base Minato with a kunai was able to cut through Bee's tentacle ( a feat the 3rd Raikage and Chidori Sharp Spear share ) but let's not forget Minato now has KCM form, which is amazingly more powerful than base form.

A feat of speculation, though it's still there. Minato was preparing to stab Raikage with his kunai before Bee stopped him. If Bee was that worried about Raikage it would suggest he'd be able to pierce the Raiton Shroud, though that is mere speculation.

Furthermore, in KCM form, Naruto was able to push a Tailed Beast Bomb through a barrier, which is no small feat, seeing as how TBBs are extremely heavy.

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He also knocked out a zetsu with a single kick, which isn't exactly a small feat seeing as how they are made out of Hashirama DNA.

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Sure. That would all be nice if Nagato didn't have Asura or Deva Path. He can simply hit him with a ST or a point blank range Asura jutsu.


Sure. Then Minato can warp to the Kunai and stab Nagato.

Remember Nagato has no knowledge on FTG so he would never expect Minato to pop out of CT and stab him in the face.

Nagato isn't an idiot. He would see the chakra emitting from it and he would keep it away from himself.

After a few times he sees it, Nagato will figure it out due to seeing the chakra from the seals and Minato teleporting to those seals always.
 
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Im not going to counter pat's arguments to church ,.. but nagato wins on the contrary to what this Minato Fanboy thinks Nagato has the perfect counter to ftg ..The Tensei's ..

Ftg is rendered useless seeing as even if he can get behind nagato ST is instant and will send minato flying .. He has no SOLID Counter to CT .. and his base speed can be countered with BT or again ST .. Nagato wins mid diff
 
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