[VS] Uzumaki Nagato vs. Namikaze Minato

[pateuvasiliu]

Lava damaged it. Shinra Tensei > Swords. The Shinra Tensei alone will rearrange the battlefield so it won't be flat anymore. Besides this isn't a flat area anyways..

Shinra Tensei is blunt force. Lava could not pierce the kyuubi cloak. Freaking lava. We're talking about something 1000 degrees hot. Blunt trauma won't pierce the cloak and even if it did, Shinra Tensei works like a circle around Nagato so it isn't changing the battlefield unless they are surrounded by pillars of stone.

As far as I remember that place, it was flatish.

Thus Nagato can use Bansho Tenin, suck his KCM up with Preta and finish him off with Human Path or a chakra road.

It's not like Nagato can use Bansho Ten'in without making any gesture.

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As soon as he raised his hand Minato is already shunshining towards him and Nagato is on a 5 second timer for Deva Path. He either gets a kunai in the neck or gets tagged.

Human Path won't manage to kill Minato since Nagato needs to hold him still. Against Naruto he used a chameleon which Minato can use Contract Seal on, along with any summons Nagato has.

That was Pain's weakness not Nagato's.

And you have no proof that Nagato does not suffer from the same weakness.

The Rinnegan can view far more than the Sharingan and it is far more superior. Nagato's Rinnegan can see chakra so that's about it.

Bold is false. The Rinnegan offers shared vision whereas the Sharingan offers pre cog. If the Rinnegan was superior to the Sharingan in all aspects Obito wouldn't have given his jins a sharingan when he could make them wield 2 Rinnegans.

Underline is an opinion, and I would argue against it. Perfect Susanoo > any Rinnegan technique.

Red : Obito can also see chakra and he did not realize he was tagged. Nobody Minato ever clashed with did. His speed and reflexes are unlike anything we have seen in the series.

He could even bait use a Rasengan so that he can tag him.

Sure. That would all be nice if Nagato didn't have Asura or Deva Path. He can simply hit him with a ST or a point blank range Asura jutsu.

ST would be on cooldown since he just used Bansho Ten'in.

Asura would be useless since KCM tanked lava, whereas a rocket is way inferior. Not only that, Minato has the physical strength to cut through Asura Path's mechanical limbs. After all, he cut through the tentacles of a bijuu. If that fails, he can take the artificial ( note, not Nagato's flesh himself through which he can use Preta Path ) limbs off with Rasengan.

Im not going to counter pat's arguments to church ,.. but nagato wins on the contrary to what this Minato Fanboy thinks Nagato has the perfect counter to ftg ..The Tensei's ..

Tell me more about how I am a mindless fanboy for bringing proper arguments whereas you are the one saying '' Deva path gg ''.

After a few times he sees it, Nagato will figure it out due to seeing the chakra from the seals and Minato teleporting to those seals always.

How could he tell? His base speed in KCM would give him the same impression. Minato would start shunshining around to untagged places just to confuse him.

 

[MickNerks]

He has 3, actually.

Care to explain.

All his kunai would be sucked into the gravitational pull, so how does he escape this?

 

[Fodder#4]

Care to explain.

All his kunai would be sucked into the gravitational pull, so how does he escape this?

Minato HAS shown to have kunai in odd locations throughout the world, he could use a S/t barrier to get rid of it. The only thing he can do to it.

OT: The day Minato can beat Nagato is the day that Hidan comes back and solo's the Juubi.

 

[Shura]

Shinra Tensei is blunt force. Lava could not pierce the kyuubi cloak. Freaking lava. We're talking about something 1000 degrees hot. Blunt trauma won't pierce the cloak and even if it did, Shinra Tensei works like a circle around Nagato so it isn't changing the battlefield unless they are surrounded by pillars of stone.

As far as I remember that place, it was flatish.



It's not like Nagato can use Bansho Ten'in without making any gesture.

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As soon as he raised his hand Minato is already shunshining towards him and Nagato is on a 5 second timer for Deva Path. He either gets a kunai in the neck or gets tagged.

Human Path won't manage to kill Minato since Nagato needs to hold him still. Against Naruto he used a chameleon which Minato can use Contract Seal on, along with any summons Nagato has.



And you have no proof that Nagato does not suffer from the same weakness.



Bold is false. The Rinnegan offers shared vision whereas the Sharingan offers pre cog. If the Rinnegan was superior to the Sharingan in all aspects Obito wouldn't have given his jins a sharingan when he could make them wield 2 Rinnegans.

Underline is an opinion, and I would argue against it. Perfect Susanoo > any Rinnegan technique.

Red : Obito can also see chakra and he did not realize he was tagged. Nobody Minato ever clashed with did. His speed and reflexes are unlike anything we have seen in the series.

He could even bait use a Rasengan so that he can tag him.



ST would be on cooldown since he just used Bansho Ten'in.

Asura would be useless since KCM tanked lava, whereas a rocket is way inferior. Not only that, Minato has the physical strength to cut through Asura Path's mechanical limbs. After all, he cut through the tentacles of a bijuu. If that fails, he can take the artificial ( note, not Nagato's flesh himself through which he can use Preta Path ) limbs off with Rasengan.



Tell me more about how I am a mindless fanboy for bringing proper arguments whereas you are the one saying '' Deva path gg ''.



How could he tell? His base speed in KCM would give him the same impression. Minato would start shunshining around to untagged places just to confuse him.

Alright. Since this is going no where. I'll do this the hard way. Sorry, but it's for your own good.

Nagato flies up. Minato can't touch him anymore. Nagato can barrage him with his jutsu. Minato is a sitting duck.

Chou Shinra Tensei ends him.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Care to explain.

All his kunai would be sucked into the gravitational pull, so how does he escape this?

1 would be tagging Nagato/anything else and FTGing out of it.

Another would be to use FTG on the core as soon as he reaches FTG range and send it to Konoha.

A third is the S/T barrier, which is still do-able, seeing as how Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to prepare their attacks.

Nagato flies up. Minato can't touch him anymore. Nagato can barrage him with his jutsu. Minato is a sitting duck.

Chou Shinra Tensei ends him.

Distance: 25 Meters

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It is unclear how he flies, but it is more of a keeping himself afloat than actually flying, like Onoki does.

Looking at the scan you will see he has to propel himself into the sky to actually fly. He simply jumps high and keeps himself afloat.

Nagato, in his condition, is not able to jump that distance, seeing as how his legs are mush.

Not only that, the distance is small enough for Minato to cover that. He blitzed Tobi at a relatively similar distance and he did not have KCM back then.

 

[Shura]

1 would be tagging Nagato/anything else and FTGing out of it.

Another would be to use FTG on the core as soon as he reaches FTG range and send it to Konoha.

A third is the S/T barrier, which is still do-able, seeing as how Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to prepare their attacks.

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It is unclear how he flies, but it is more of a keeping himself afloat than actually flying, like Onoki does.

Looking at the scan you will see he has to propel himself into the sky to actually fly. Nagato, in his condition, is not able to jump that distance, seeing as how his legs are mush.

Not only that, the distance is small enough for Minato to cover that. He blitzed Tobi at a relatively similar distance and he did not have KCM back then.

He can simply Shinra Tensei Minato and that doesn't mean he needs to jump to fly.. Not to mention that he can simply summon a bird. How does Minato even deal with that dog summoning?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

He can simply Shinra Tensei Minato and that doesn't mean he needs to jump to fly.. Not to mention that he can simply summon a bird. How does Minato even deal with that dog summoning?

Summoning requires the following handseals:

Boar → Dog → Bird → Monkey → Ram

Mifune, an old samurai, was able to blitz Hanzo before the guy made even a single seal. Minato is the fastest shinobi to have ever lived, summoning jutsu ain't happening.

And yes, he does need to jump, because he is not flying, he is actually nullifying his gravitation by using Deva Path. He is using Deva Path to make himself -not fall- rather than using it to -raise-.

 

[Shura]

Summoning requires the following handseals:

Boar → Dog → Bird → Monkey → Ram

Mifune, an old samurai, was able to blitz Hanzo before the guy made even a single seal. Minato is the fastest shinobi to have ever lived, summoning jutsu ain't happening.

And yes, he does need to jump, because he is not flying, he is actually nullifying his gravitation by using Deva Path. He is using Deva Path to make himself -not fall- rather than using it to -raise-.

Once again. Nagato can simply Shinra Tensei him away.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Once again. Nagato can simply Shinra Tensei him away.

While using Summoning Jutsu? How is he going to pay attention to Minato, use Shinra Tensei and summon a creature at the same time?

Even then, Contract Seal takes care of any summon.

 

[Shura]

While using Summoning Jutsu? How is he going to pay attention to Minato, use Shinra Tensei and summon a creature at the same time?

Even then, Contract Seal takes care of any summon.

Yes. While summoning. Nagato can use two Rinnegan techniques at the same time. Not to mention if Minato decides to get close he could suddenly use Bansho Tenin and rip his soul out with Human Path.

Nagato can as well use Shinra Tensei on himself to push himself into the sky and then he can proceed to use a Summoning Jutsu.

Also, Chou Shinra Tensei or CT end Minato.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Shinra Tensei on himself to push himself into the sky and then he can proceed to use a Summoning Jutsu.

Doesn't work that way. Shinra Tensei is not an explosion. It is repulsion. Think of it as a giant shockwave coming -FROM YOU- and going -AROUND YOU-.

You can't push in just 1 direction, you push in EVERY direction.

As such, you will deal the same amount of force UNDER you ( trying to push your self up ) but also ABOVE YOU ( which pushes you down ).

In the end you would end up in the same place.

Nagato can use two Rinnegan techniques at the same time.

Well yeah, but Summoning Jutsu is not a Rinnegan technique. Those work differently. Not to mention, he raises his hand to use Shinra Tensei, does he not?

I don't think I've ever seen 2 regular jutsus performed at the same time, anyhow.

Also, Chou Shinra Tensei

Nagato can't fly. I already explained why.

or CT

Countered by:

- FTGing it to Konoha. Minato already FTG'd a target as large as a 100% Kurama which is bigger.

- Space Time barrier. Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to use Yasaka Magatama, FRS and Bijuudama respectively. Minato waves 4 hand seals faster than Bee enters BM form and uses Bijuudama, he has the highest reflexes in the series. See Bogard's thread for more on that.

- Tagging Nagato and warping towards him. CT's pull takes a while to start being really strong, seen when the 3 had time to use their ranged jutsus so this gives Minato time to tag Nagato.

Alternatively, he tags a heavy object nearby and FTGs back to it.

- If all else fails, he can summon Bunta and have him jump away, out of its radius. In the few seconds Bunta has before being pulled, he can jump away. Bunta's leaps cover a wide radius, easily 50-100 meters.