Uzumak clan

[davidou]

Onoki doesn't have the vitality of the Uzumaki Senju, such a thing does not come from the will of fire. Databook does not state that Onoki has Yang, wiki is also a non canon source, but if you wish to listen to it, then it also states that the Uzumaki can originated from the Senju, are you ignoring that then? It is a non-canon source however, but you seem inclined to use it, which means you shouldn't ignore anything it says.
Onoki is not descended from Ashura's tree.
Onoki also does not have the physical chakra (life force, and the 'body,') which is half of the Rinnegan's power. It's not just about vitality.
The Uzumaki and Senju aren't Yang dominate clans, that's not how it works, they both bare the ultimate form of Yang inherited from the Sage. They are both descended from Ashura.
I gave enough proof thank you very much.
I'm not talking about similarities here.


I never said distant blood relatives meant that at all, I just used it as a point for the debate. Learn reading comprehension, it might just come in handy some day.


Uzumaki bare lineage from Ashura, that is just how it is. They bare his Yang inheritance. Accept it. I'm not even going to talk about Nagato's parents, just that it is unlikely a Senju went to the Hidden Rain. (Especially during the Second Ninja war.)


It was clearly implied by Zetsu, and you would have to have the comprehension of a 1 year old not to realize it. Minato is not a Senju, lol.
And where is your proof? No Manga scans, no Databook information, nothing but non-canon sources and speculation to try to debunk my claim (That is backed by Manga evidence.)

Minato doesn't have the 'body' either, he's not a Senju.
Also, though the Uchiha and Senju are distant relatives (or relatives,) as well, no such connection is made between the clans.
Anyway, the gap between the First and Second Ninja wars is exactly 20 years, its not possible for Tobirama to have been Minato's father or anything like that, as he himself didn't say anything about Minato, nor did he notice any special Chakras similar to the Senju.
I don't know why you seem to ignore the truth of the matter, but it doesn't matter, as I destroyed your argument the minute you used a non-canon source, (and ignored what the source said at the same time.)
Also. 'Do you see that! The Man with the red hair!' 'Nagato is from the Senju lineage.'
That line is quite clearly implying that Nagato (who has red hair from his Uzumaki blood,) Is from Senju lineage.

Lineage's definition.
noun
Meaning
Direct descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.

Also, Naruto was originally classified under the Senju's Yang (Which he has from being an Uzumaki,) even before he was known as a transmigrant of Ashura.

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My point and the Manga is quite clear. Uzumaki and Senju, are both descended from Ashura.

1/Lol , what a blind man , but he talks a lot , and we all know lenght is not quality...

2/Ok , you admit that it isn't a proof.

3/You say accept it , I won't if you don't bring proofs , the fact that you say accept it , is a proof that you can't find a way to prove it.

4/You need a proof to say "this is the truth" , you don't have to bring proofs when you say "this is a possibility" , it's the guy who wants to counter , that has to bring a proof that the possibility isn't possible.


You didn't answer any of my points , you didn't bring a proof that Uzumaki comes from Senju , you didn't bring a proof that my possibilities are not possible , so you are losing the debate man.
I will let you "debate" as much as you want on the similarities between Uzumaki and Senju , young boy.

PS:I'm trying to make you see the light , your possibility isn't the truth , other possibilities are available.
I'm not trying to say that your theory is impossible , I'm trying to show you that there are other possibilities.

You said "This will happen" , I replied "there is another possibility" , you replied "This will happen , accept it"...

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

1/Lol , what a blind man , but he talks a lot , and we all know lenght is not quality...

2/Ok , you admit that it isn't a proof.

3/You say accept it , I won't if you don't bring proofs , the fact that you say accept it , is a proof that you can't find a way to prove it.

4/You need a proof to say "this is the truth" , you don't have to bring proofs when you say "this is a possibility" , it's the guy who wants to counter , that has to bring a proof that the possibility isn't possible.


You didn't answer any of my points , you didn't bring a proof that Uzumaki comes from Senju , you didn't bring a proof that my possibilities are not possible , so you are losing the debate man.
I will let you "debate" as much as you want on the similarities between Uzumaki and Senju , young boy.

The ****? This guy is actually responding to me with such awful grammar? What has become of this forum?
1. I think you need to learn comprehension, and get better grammar, and more intellect my friend, because right now your nothing but a 1 year old grasping at straws....Oh wait, do you even know what any of the words I'm using mean?
My post's length shows that I've put effort into what I'm talking about.

2. What exactly did I admit? You were using a non-canon source, but also ignored what that source said, and yet your saying that I don't have proof?
The ****?
3. I gave all the proof I need. The Manga.

4. I don't understand anything your saying because your comprehension is so far below mine that to me your nothing but a 1 year old, start taking baby steps to greater maturity. Or do you need help with that?
I already gave proof about the Senju. The Manga
Similarities.....similarities! LOL, there are non, because they are exactly the same, they both bare the 'body' of the Sage, that can only be gained from being descended from Ashura.
" Uzumaki comes from Senju " When did I say that?
I said 'Uzumaki originated, descended, came from the Senju (Ashura.)' Bold means, they either came from the Senju, or Ashura himself. Learn Comprehension.
Learn how to debate properly.

 

[davidou]

The ****? This guy is actually responding to me with such awful grammar? What has become of this forum?
1. I think you need to learn comprehension, and get better grammar, and more intellect my friend, because right now your nothing but a 1 year old grasping at straws....Oh wait, do you even know what any of the words I'm using mean?
My post's length shows that I've put effort into what I'm talking about.

2. What exactly did I admit? You were using a non-canon source, but also ignored what that source said, and yet your saying that I don't have proof?
The ****?
3. I gave all the proof I need. The Manga.

4. I don't understand anything your saying because your comprehension is so far below mine that to me your nothing but a 1 year old, start taking baby steps to greater maturity. Or do you need help with that?
I already gave proof about the Senju. The Manga
Similarities.....similarities! LOL, there are non, because they are exactly the same, they both bare the 'body' of the Sage, that can only be gained from being descended from Ashura.
Learn how to debate properly.

Lol , you are in deny , you start throwing insults , you let my points unanswered:

You are admitting that you are losing the debate and you are showing the attitude of a very bad loser , young boy.

You are being owned by a 1 year old with no grammar , intellect or comprehension...

Debating is not what you are doing , you are just saying "accept it" , you ran away from the "debate" , take your words for you.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Lol , you are in deny , you start throwing insults , you let my points unanswered:

You are admitting that you are losing the debate and you are showing the attitude of a very bad loser , young boy.

:hyper:
What the hell are you going on about?
Please make sure your post's fit into a coherent, and readable format.
Me losing the debate? I'm far from it, its you who is.
I'm not a loser, I know when I'm losing or winning, and I'm the one winning, if you believe your winning, then post manga scans for proof, or get out of my thread.

PS:I'm trying to make you see the light , your possibility isn't the truth , other possibilities are available.
I'm not trying to say that your theory is impossible , I'm trying to show you that there are other possibilities.

You said "This will happen" , I replied "there is another possibility" , you replied "This will happen , accept it"...

Lol what? Possibilities? It's not a possibility, its Manga fact.
This will happen? Huh? Never said that at all, in fact, it has happened. Already posted heaps of scans as proof of what the Manga states, you have no way to counter me unless you do the same.
Also, I'm pretty sure your the 'young boy' not me, unless your somehow older than me but have a lower maturity level. :bouncy:

 

[davidou]

:hyper:
What the hell are you going on about?
Please make sure your post's fit into a coherent, and readable format.
Me losing the debate? I'm far from it, its you who is.
I'm not a loser, I know when I'm losing or winning, and I'm the one winning, if you believe your winning, then post manga scans for proof, or get out of my thread.

Lol what? Possibilities? It's not a possibility, its Manga fact.
This will happen? Huh? Never said that at all, in fact, it has happened. Already posted heaps of scans as proof of what the Manga states, you have no way to counter me unless you do the same.
Also, I'm pretty sure your the 'young boy' not me, unless your somehow older than me but have a lower maturity level. :bouncy:

OK , you still don't understand and you are still acting as an aggressive beast cornered...Humanity is funny.

I'm not trying to say that your theory is impossible , I'm trying to show you that there are other possibilities.
Now that I brought other possibilities , you have to find a way to prove that those possibilities are not possible.
Until you do that , I win and you lose.

What a shame that I have to tell you what you need to do to answer me , it's pretty clear now for everybody that it's you , the guy who says that I'm a 1 year old that doesn't know how to debate , that need to have lessons.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

OK , you still don't understand and you are still acting as an aggressive beast cornered...Humanity is funny.

I'm not trying to say that your theory is impossible , I'm trying to show you that there are other possibilities.
Now that I brought other possibilities , you have to find a way to prove that those possibilities are not possible.
Until you do that , I win and you lose.

What a shame that I have to tell you what you need to do to answer me , it's pretty clear now for everybody that it's you , the guy who says that I'm a 1 year old that doesn't know how to debate , that need to have lessons.

I've already proven that your theory's are wrong. Your starting to bore me with how your ignoring the Manga.
'Yawn.' Until you prove with Manga scans that debunk mine than your speculation is incorrect. Until you do that than I win.
I'm not cornered at all, I'm just bored of you now, after-all, who'd want to listen to someone that ignores the Manga itself?
Start learning better grammar now. Okay? :heh:
You need to learn how to debate properly my friend.

 

[davidou]

I've already proven that your theory's are wrong. Your starting to bore me with how your ignoring the Manga.
'Yawn.' Until you prove with Manga scans that debunk mine than your speculation is incorrect. Until you do that than I win.
I'm not cornered at all, I'm just bored of you now, after-all, who'd want to listen to someone that ignores the Manga itself?
Start learning better grammar now. Okay? :heh:
You need to learn how to debate properly my friend.

You didn't prove me wrong , never , nowhere , but I'm glad that you start to understand what you have to do to answer me.

I don't have to bring a proof that what I say is the truth , because I'm not saying it's the truth , you have to bring a proof that what I say is impossible , at that point , your theory will become the last possible theory and will become the truth.
Until you do that , I win and you lose , because your theory is not the only possible theory (it's easy to attack a theory , it's hard to protect it).
I hope you'll understand that.
I'm also bored , of your lack of understanding.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

You didn't prove me wrong , never , nowhere , but I'm glad that you start to understand what you have to do to answer me.

I don't have to bring a proof that what I say is the truth , because I'm not saying it's the truth , you have to bring a proof that what I say is impossible , at that point , your theory will become the last possible theory and will become the truth.
I hope you'll understand that.
I'm also bored of your lack of understanding.

I did, ages ago, my original post that started this thread is already enough to prove your wrong, let alone my other posts.
I don't need to prove you wrong at all, because I did about 47 posts ago. Unless you have Manga scans to not only prove you point, but to prove that I'm wrong than you've lost and I've won, its that simple my friend.
Prove that I'm wrong if, if you can.

 

[shelke]

Thank Derp and his band of loopy fanboys. There is nothing in the manga to suggest that the Sage or his brother were Uzumakis. We know for a fact that they are the distant relatives of Senju and the case is closed.

It means that the line branched out some time in the distant past, and from Ashura's main line Uzumakis were born. That is all there is to it. People need to let this garbage go.

I disagree with the rest though. Uzumaki have longevity, not Senju. This is a trait that is reserved exclusively for the Uzumakis, which is why they have a 'distinct chakra', something Tobirama could sense and Kabuto remarked on in regards to their special physical traits as well - their distinct red hair appear to be something indigenous to their own clan.

Furthermore, it seems apparent now that Ashura's traits got divided. The original line may have held the life force, but when it branched, Senju clan seems to have lost that quality. Ashura's birth as Naruto makes no sense, as not only he's not from the main line that actually represents Ashura, but he isn't even an Uzumaki, but a watered-down hybrid.

Kishimoto really blew it in this regard. + rep for the good effort though.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Thank Derp and his band of loopy fanboys. There is nothing in the manga to suggest that the Sage or his brother were Uzumakis. We know for a fact that they are the distant relatives of Senju and the case is closed.

It means that the line branched out some time in the distant past, and from Ashura's main line Uzumakis were born. That is all there is to it. People need to let this garbage go.

I disagree with the rest though. Uzumaki have longevity, not Senju. This is a trait that is reserved exclusively for the Uzumakis, which is why they have a 'distinct chakra', something Tobirama could sense and Kabuto remarked on in regards to their special physical traits as well - their distinct red hair appear to be something indigenous to their own clan.

Furthermore, it seems apparent now that Ashura's traits got divided. The original line may have held the life force, but when it branched, Senju clan seems to have lost that quality. Ashura's birth as Naruto makes no sense, as not only he's not from the main line that actually represents Ashura, but he isn't even an Uzumaki, but a watered-down hybrid.

Kishimoto really blew it in this regard. + rep for the good effort though.

I never mentioned the Senju having Longevity in the first place, but I did use it as a point.
Naruto isn't a hybrid, his mother was still a direct Uzumaki, making him half Uzumaki.
Ashura forming in Naruto is alright, because the transmigrant works as long as you are within his clan lineage. Which the Uzumaki fall under, yet another point to prove that the Uzumaki are descended from Ashura. It's not restricted to the main line.
Also, what the shit is wrong with davidou?

 

[davidou]

I did, ages ago, my original post that started this thread is already enough to prove you wrong, let alone my other posts.
I don't need to prove you wrong at all, because I did about 47 posts ago. Unless you have Manga scans to not only prove you point, but to prove that I'm wrong than you've lost and I've won, its that simple my friend.
Prove that I'm wrong if, if you can.

Still asking me for manga scans to prove "I'm right" or "you are wrong" , you'll never understand?
Zawermi did the same , I don't know how you don't get that simple thing , I'll try again:
The fact that 2 theories are possible is a fact that proves that you are wrong in saying "my theory is the truth".
I don't have to say that your theory is impossible or that my theory is the truth to make your theory a possible scenario and not the truth.


You never brought proofs that my points 2,3 and 4 were impossible , you are lying to yourself.

 

[shelke]

I never mentioned the Senju having Longevity in the first place, but I did use it as a point.
Naruto isn't a hybrid, his mother was still a direct Uzumaki, making him half Uzumaki.
Ashura forming in Naruto is alright, because the transmigrant works as long as you are within his clan lineage. Which the Uzumaki fall under, yet another point to prove that the Uzumaki are descended from Ashura. It's not restricted to the main line.
Also, what the shit is wrong with davidou?

Which is what Hybrid means. What is davidou?

 

[Team7Represent]

What a great in depth post! Agree with everything you posted! Refreshing to see people can actually read

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

Still asking me for manga scans to prove "I'm right" or "you are wrong" , you'll never understand?
Zawermi did the same , I don't know how you don't get that simple thing , I'll try again:
The fact that 2 theories are possible is a fact that proves that you are wrong in saying "my theory is the truth".
I don't have to say that your theory is impossible or that my theory is the truth to make your theory a possible scenario and not the truth.


You never brought proofs that my points 2,3 and 4 were impossible , you are lying to yourself.

I haven't been posting theories, otherwise I wouldn't be using Manga scans. I have a lot of proof that debunked you ages ago, get over it, or post your own Manga scans as proof.
Right now your showing the personality of someone that is cornered, and knows it, and can't find anything to back their claim, and so they continue around in circles saying the same thing over, and over.
If you aren't going to debate properly, or post manga scans then you can just get out of this thread, its as simple as that.

Which is what Hybrid means. What is davidou?

True, but that doesn't mean anything, as he's still a Uzumaki, you don't have to be a 100% Senju or Uzumaki to be Ashura's transmigrant. Naruto also had (and has,) the Kyuubi's Yang chakra within him, which is a part of Ashura's own Yang power, but on a lower level.
davidou is the annoying fool that wont stop posting shit.
He firmly believes that the Uzumaki aren't descended from Ashura.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

What a great in depth post! Agree with everything you posted! Refreshing to see people can actually read

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Lol, thanks. You always bring a smile to my face my good friend!

 

[davidou]

what the shit is wrong with davidou?

You don't understand that you were owned and how you were owned , I thought you would understand it with my 1st post , but you still don't 10 posts later.

 

[Team7Represent]

Lol, thanks. You always bring a smile to my face my good friend!

Aim to please!

what the shit is wrong with davidou?

A fanfic writer? Who believes in fanfic (wiki) over manga?

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

You don't understand that you were owned and how you were owned , I thought you would understand it with my 1st post , but you still don't 10 posts later.

:hyper:
I never got owned at all. You are the one that got owned my friend.

Comprehension.........Comprehension.....
Comprehension!
:bouncy:
Your making me lose brain cells at how bad your arguments are.
"Yawn!"
Your seriously one of the worst debaters I've ever seen on the base. Ever.
Your making me want to laugh so hard right now.
Learn how to debate.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Aim to please!



A fanfic writer? Who believes in fanfic (wiki) over manga?

He's something like that alright, he makes me want to sigh.

 

[lndra]

No offense to the OP.

I wish this was a real Uzumaki theory on who they actually were in terms of abilities.
Instead of the obvious.

Who the hell thought that? Well I believe Kaguya had red hair but the scan might of been colored wrong, in the end it doesn't matter though.