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Does anyone have anything to say? Anything to discourage my post? Or is my post completely sound? I want peoples opinions.
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Does anyone have anything to say? Anything to discourage my post? Or is my post completely sound? I want peoples opinions.
Maybe I can have some rep as well?

Everything you said is true.There's nothing to deny.
 

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Why is this being discussed? It should be common knowledge that uzumaki are from the senju bloodline.
 

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Go read genetics before talking Hamura = forefathers of uzumaki and huyga
 

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Who even said that? But seriously we don't know how exactly the Uzumaki are even related to the senju. Technically the Uchiha and senju are brother clans.
 

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Go read genetics before talking Hamura = forefathers of uzumaki and huyga


Genetics don't work like that in Naruto mate. You can't pass down a power or bloodline trait if you yourself don't have it.
Already gave proof, are you saying the Manga is wrong?
The Uzumaki carry on the Sage's Yang powers, or Ashura's bloodline.
Just as the Sage's blood and powers split between his two sons, so too is the Sage and his brother split. Hamura was Yin. Hagoromo Yang.
Neither side can spawn the others bloodline.
Indra can't form within Ashura's line, and neither can Ashura do the same. Same goes for Hagoromo and Hamura.
The Uchiha and Senju's bloodlines are in fact both forms of the Rinnegan, the two powers are the only thing that can make the Rinnegan.
Hamura does not have the Rinnegan.
The Uzumaki are descended from Ashura, get over it.
Who even said that? But seriously we don't know how exactly the Uzumaki are even related to the senju. Technically the Uchiha and senju are brother clans.

A bunch of people said it. Check out Byakugan True Origin, that is one thread in particular that has ridiculous shit in it.
Such a distinction is not made between Uchiha and the Senju, and we do know, that both the Uzumaki and Senju clans are descended from Ashura.
In fact, sometimes it seems that the Uchiha and Senju's bloodlines split so much that they aren't even related.
 

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Well anyway, those who deny what the Manga says about the Uzumaki clan clearly have been reading an entirely different Mnaga.
 

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Uzumaki = Kaguya clan + Senjuu clan lol

or rather Uzumaki branch of Senjuu(Main family), They detached from Main family Senjuu due to some reasons
 

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Uzumaki = Kaguya clan + Senjuu clan lol

or rather Uzumaki branch of Senjuu(Main family), They detached from Main family Senjuu due to some reasons

Is this fact or a theory?

Ot--- great thread. That retard Joseph Gomes needs to read this.

Naruto is confirmed to be of the Senju bloodline.
 
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Uzumaki = Kaguya clan + Senjuu clan lol

or rather Uzumaki branch of Senjuu(Main family), They detached from Main family Senjuu due to some reasons

The ****? All of the Manga scans I posted disaproves this, this is nothing but fan made bs.

IF that were true, then the Senju would have to be of Uzumaki lineage instead. But the Uzumaki, in fact are of Senju linage and are descended from Ashura.
Your comprehension is awful.

Is this fact or a theory?

Ot--- great thread. That retard Joseph Gomes needs to read this.

Naruto is confirmed to be of the Senju bloodline.

Does Ot mean me? If so thank you. I worked hard on this thread and there is in fact more information I could have used if I felt like it, but I thought what I had already put down was enough. (Which it is.)
 

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I wonder why there are so many delusional Naruto fans. :dunno:
 

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Uzumaki are so OP though.
If they were alive man... Naruto wouldn't even need powerups lol.
 

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What the shit is with people saying that the Uzumaki's were around the Otsutsuki time, or are descended from Hamura, or are guardians of the fruit, or were actually the Otsutsuki and all of that BS?
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This is the actual, real official image of Hagoromo. A mate of mine pays for wsj.
As you can see his hair is brown. Not red. That rules out the red hair and Uzumaki theory.

They are descended from Ashura.

Uzumaki's possess the same common trait with the Senju, particularly Hashirama and Ashura. Where it points out about vitality, life, physical energy.

Madara pointed out Hashirama's healing ability, evidence of strong vitality, life, physical energy.
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Then we have Ashura known to inherit the physical energy, body, life, vitality aspect of Hagoromo.

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Note 'The Chakra inside his body bloomed.'

Hagoromo was originally Yang, whereas Hamura was Yin, Hagoromo was the only one to gain the other power.
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Both staffs were also were separated between Yin and Yang as well.
There is no way for the Uzumaki to have descended from Hamura, as he didn't have Yang. (That rules out that theory.)
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As shown here, the two staffs have became one, representing Hagoromo gained both powers. Compared to his younger days with Hamura.
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Hagoromo also somehow gained his brothers Yin seal. When originally he only had a Yang seal.

Kushina pointed out that the Uzumakis were distant relatives of the Senjus. And how the Uzumakis were known for their longevity.
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Their vitality was also pointed out here.
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Zetsu, outright stated, that Nagato, as an Uzumaki, was of Senju lineage (Decent, Bloodline.) And thus a Senju as well.
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Also, the Uzumaki's Fuinjutsu comes from Hagoromo who was the creator of the art.

Common traits between Ashura, Hashirama, and Uzumaki? Let's see, the physical energy aspect, longevity, life. How are the Uzumaki's not the same?

Now here's one vital information about Asura and Indra transmigrants.
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Black Zetsu talks about Ashura and Indra,the Senju and Uchiha, how they fought each other. Then he revealed he kept approaching all transmigrants of each clan. So what does that tell us? All the transmigrants appear within their respective clan. Ashura's chakra transmigrant in the Senju line and Indra's chakra transmigrant in the Uchihas. These two who can be traced back to their ancestors. The biggest difference is in the latest one, Indra is within Sasuke and yet Ashura was reincarnated within Naruto. Uzumaki Naruto, who isn't even a son or grandchild or great grandchild of Senju Hashirama and Uzumaki Mito. All this time Zetsu says he approached the transmigrant within the Senju clan and Uchiha clan.

Well surely there's an explanation. They keep appearing in their family tree. So.... Naruto is an Uzumaki, who is stated in the manga to be distant relatives of the Senju who just happens to share the traits associated with Ashura, the physical energy, life force, vitality. They pop out within their family tree, the chakra doesn't transmigrate onto some unrelated clan.
Not only that, but a member of the Uzumaki clan was also directly stated to be of Senju lineage because he was an Uzumaki.
I don't think even an idiot couldn't connect the dots.
Uzumaki originated, descended, came from the Senju (Ashura.)




You tried hard , but you didn't bring a clear proof.

1/The similarities between Senju and Uzumaki may be due to the fact that they both are Yang dominant clans , like Onoki , who also has a lot of vitality , a will that is similar to the will of fire and is able to fly like Naruto (more probably a Yang ability).
I don't know if the databook states that he is Yang , wiki does.
From your point , every Yang user must come from the Yang descendance of Hagoromo , Ashura.
Where do you put Onoki clan in Ashura's tree?
There is no need to counter this , because you are just talking about similarities , that will never be a proof.


2/"Distant blood relatives" doesn't mean "come from" , that is ambiguous but there are scenaris where every Uzumaki alive are distant blood relatives to the Senju without being from Ashura's descendance.
This isn't a clear proof.


3/Black Zetsu saying that Nagato is from Senju lineage is not a proof that every Uzumaki is from Senju lineage.
Nagato has one parent named Uzumaki , the other could be named Senju , there is nothing in the manga that says that Nagato haven't got a Senju parent.
This isn't a clear proof.

4/It was never clearly said in the manga that transmigrants have to transmigrate into their descendance.
Even if this was the case (it could very well be) , there is a possibility for Naruto to be a Senju , Minato Namikaze is strong for a young boy of an unknown clan , the similarities between him and Tobirama are shocking , there is nothing in the manga that says that Minato isn't from a Senju.
So this isn't a clear proof.


Where is your undeniable proof that the Uzumaki clan comes from someone of the Senju clan?
 
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You tried hard , but you didn't bring a clear proof.

1/The similarities between Senju and Uzumaki may be due to the fact that they both are Yang dominant clans , like Onoki , who also has a lot of vitality , a will that is similar to the will of fire and is able to fly like Naruto (more probably a Yang ability).
I don't know if the databook states that he is Yang , wiki does.
From your point , every Yang user must come from the Yang descendance of Hagoromo , Ashura.
Where do you put Onoki clan in Ashura's tree?
There is no need to counter this , because you are just talking about similarities , that will never be a proof.

Onoki doesn't have the vitality of the Uzumaki Senju, such a thing does not come from the will of fire. Databook does not state that Onoki has Yang, wiki is also a non canon source, but if you wish to listen to it, then it also states that the Uzumaki can originated from the Senju, are you ignoring that then? It is a non-canon source however, but you seem inclined to use it, which means you shouldn't ignore anything it says.
Onoki is not descended from Ashura's tree.
Onoki also does not have the physical chakra (life force, and the 'body,') which is half of the Rinnegan's power. It's not just about vitality.
The Uzumaki and Senju aren't Yang dominate clans, that's not how it works, they both bare the ultimate form of Yang inherited from the Sage. They are both descended from Ashura.
I gave enough proof thank you very much.
I'm not talking about similarities here.

2/"Distant blood relatives" doesn't mean "come from" , that is ambiguous but there are scenaris where every Uzumaki alive are distant blood relatives to the Senju without being from Ashura's descendance.
This isn't a clear proof.
I never said distant blood relatives meant that at all, I just used it as a point for the debate. Learn reading comprehension, it might just come in handy some day.

3/Black Zetsu saying that Nagato is from Senju lineage is not a proof that every Uzumaki is from Senju lineage.
Nagato has one parent named Uzumaki , the other could be named Senju , there is nothing in the manga that says that Nagato haven't got a Senju parent.
This isn't a clear proof.
Uzumaki bare lineage from Ashura, that is just how it is. They bare his Yang inheritance. Accept it. I'm not even going to talk about Nagato's parents, just that it is unlikely a Senju went to the Hidden Rain. (Especially during the Second Ninja war.)

4/It was never clearly said in the manga that transmigrants have to transmigrate into their descendance.
Even if this was the case (it could very well be) , there is a possibility for Naruto to be a Senju , Minato Namikaze is strong for a young boy of an unknown clan , the similarities between him and Tobirama are shocking , there is nothing in the manga that says that Minato isn't from a Senju.
So this isn't a clear proof.
Where is your undeniable proof that the Uzumaki clan comes from someone of the Senju clan?
It was clearly implied by Zetsu, and you would have to have the comprehension of a 1 year old not to realize it. Minato is not a Senju, lol.
And where is your proof? No Manga scans, no Databook information, nothing but non-canon sources and speculation to try to debunk my claim (That is backed by Manga evidence.)

Minato doesn't have the 'body' either, he's not a Senju.
Also, though the Uchiha and Senju are distant relatives (or relatives,) as well, no such connection is made between the clans.
Anyway, the gap between the First and Second Ninja wars is exactly 20 years, its not possible for Tobirama to have been Minato's father or anything like that, as he himself didn't say anything about Minato, nor did he notice any special Chakras similar to the Senju.
I don't know why you seem to ignore the truth of the matter, but it doesn't matter, as I destroyed your argument the minute you used a non-canon source, (and ignored what the source said at the same time.)
Also. 'Do you see that! The Man with the red hair!' 'Nagato is from the Senju lineage.'
That line is quite clearly implying that Nagato (who has red hair from his Uzumaki blood,) Is from Senju lineage.

Lineage's definition.
noun
Meaning
Direct descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.

Also, Naruto was originally classified under the Senju's Yang (Which he has from being an Uzumaki,) even before he was known as a transmigrant of Ashura.
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My point and the Manga is quite clear. Uzumaki and Senju, are both descended from Ashura.
 
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