USA and gun rights

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I ain't gunna let no "goverment" take my gun

 

[Umari Senju]

If you would read the Second Amendment, you wouldn't even be posting this Thread.​

while you are right, you have to think of the time period this amendment was written. Back in those days, people actually needed guns to defend their properties and families from Frontier living. Constant wildlife threats, bandits, an retaliatory Natives were all very real threats then and having a gun was a necessity.

I don't think our forefathers foresaw mental illnesses and future generations using this right to walk into schools and starts blowing people away when they created this Amendment. While I am against owning a gun, I do understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

But still just looking at gun related murders in the US. Some of the highest in the world.This is not just crimes in general I am talking here but specifically gun related violence. You just don't see in other countries. It's the price we Americans pay for the right to bare I suppose.

Sad really...

 

[Prime Rib]

to many ignorant people and kids don't understand that taking away a person born/human right is wrong.

also note people don't understand that it makes no difference who has a gun as guns are neutral its the person who has the gun who makes it good/evil purposes.

rather you truly believe that people who are "normal" can only own a gun then you are truly stupid since anyone is capable of using it the same was a insane person would use

 

[xPHARAOHx]

Well, yes, if civilian gun ownership was outlawed then far too many complications would be caused. Not only that, but those who still retain their access to firearms would be empowered even more. There's also the problem of people being threatened by wildlife, pets, and other animals that are aggressive and could maim or kill a human.

As you've stated, I believed regulation is the best route to take in order move towards a more secure and incident free public interface.

On another note, at a conference at an earlier date this year it was proposed to convert civilian guns to some kind of electrical platform in order for the law enforcement and other authorities to create virtually "gun free" zones or to neutralize the weapons via remote action.

Yeah I posted something about that a while ago. They would need an electronic bracelet that had to be within ten inches of the gun, in order for it to be discharged. The NRA, and gun owners started to complain about which made the shops carrying them decide to get rid of them.

 

[TheHokage]

The mother of this man-child alerted the police of his plot to kill two weeks prior to him doing so. He was posting revenge videos on youtube about it. The police knocked on his door talked to him and said that "he seems like a nice young man", had they gone further and would've checked his house they would've found evidence to detain him, wether it be to a psyche ward, or jail.

Well then it doesn't seem then guns where to entirely blame for in this situation...more like the government and the police and if you can't rely on them to protect you then who can you rely on...

 

[The Necromancer]

while you are right, you have to think of the time period this amendment was written. Back in those days, people actually needed guns to defend their properties and families from Frontier living. Constant wildlife threats, bandits, an retaliatory Natives were all very real threats then and having a gun was a necessity.

I don't think our forefathers foresaw mental illnesses and future generations using this right to walk into schools and starts blowing people away when they created this Amendment. While I am against owning a gun, I do understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.

But still just looking at gun related murders in the US. Some of the highest in the world.This is not just crimes in general I am talking here but specifically gun related violence. You just don't see in other countries. It's the price we Americans pay for the right to bare I suppose.

Sad really...

Exactly. So many people fap to the constitution that don't realize it's completely outdated.

The fact is, the constitution was written for a different lifestyle in a different time whose standards do not apply today, however because of the wide acceptance it has, it is now impossible to go back on.

Gun ownership is like alcohol sale. If the government could ban it they would, but it's impossible at this point.

 

[Tingun]

Yeah I posted something about that a while ago. They would need an electronic bracelet that had to be within ten inches of the gun, in order for it to be discharged. The NRA, and gun owners started to complain about which made the shops carrying them decide to get rid of them.

Interesting, might research this sometime.

Exactly. So many people fap to the constitution that don't realize it's completely outdated.

The fact is, the constitution was written for a different lifestyle in a different time whose standards do not apply today, however because of the wide acceptance it has, it is now impossible to go back on.

Gun ownership is like alcohol sale. If the government could ban it they would, but it's impossible at this point.

They failed pretty hard when they banned alcohol the first time, lol.

 

[Bling Kai]

to many ignorant people and kids don't understand that taking away a person born/human right is wrong.

also note people don't understand that it makes no difference who has a gun as guns are neutral its the person who has the gun who makes it good/evil purposes.

rather you truly believe that people who are "normal" can only own a gun then you are truly stupid since anyone is capable of using it the same was a insane person would use

I beleive everyone and anyone wil do somethig evil if they are under the right conditions and give therigjt circumstances to do so. Regarfless of what kind of person owns a gun they are still rto dangerous for them to be legally owned.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

You mean the right to free speech?

He meant the second amendment. The right to bare arms.

OT: the purpose of the second amendment was made as a concept of the Revolutionary war. It was so if the new government were needed to be overthrown the citizens could do so.



In my opinion, people should have a right and deserve to hold arms. The actions of a few shouldn't punish the majority.


If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

 

[The Necromancer]

He meant the second amendment. The right to bare arms.

OT: the purpose of the second amendment was made as a concept of the Revolutionary war. It was so if the new government were needed to be overthrown the citizens could do so.



In my opinion, people should have a right and deserve to hold arms. The actions of a few shouldn't punish the majority.


If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

What separates a simple handgun from a nuclear warhead to you?

If the tool does not matter, and the person is to blame, any and all weaponry should be accessible, correct?

 

[xPHARAOHx]

to many ignorant people and kids don't understand that taking away a person born/human right is wrong.

also note people don't understand that it makes no difference who has a gun as guns are neutral its the person who has the gun who makes it good/evil purposes.

rather you truly believe that people who are "normal" can only own a gun then you are truly stupid since anyone is capable of using it the same was a insane person would use

The argument of "guns don't kill people, people do" is a weak one. All your doing is reinforcing my statement. People who are "normal" don't go around shooting people. You say it's the person who has the gun who makes it's purposes goo, or evil, but that's also what I'm saying, and if our government made it's security tighter than a whole lot less people who owned guns would be more trust worthy, and our homicide rate would also go down.

 

[Xēnovia.]

The only way to fix the gun problem is to submit some short of psych evaluation if the person is mentally stable to even own a gun.​

 

[Umari Senju]

He meant the second amendment. The right to bare arms.

OT: the purpose of the second amendment was made as a concept of the Revolutionary war. It was so if the new government were needed to be overthrown the citizens could do so.



In my opinion, people should have a right and deserve to hold arms. The actions of a few shouldn't punish the majority.


If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

Well said...except the problem is getting worse not better. These gun related deaths are on the rise not the decline. Methinks we, as the American poeple, need to try harder.

 

[Tingun]

If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

I don't think that's a valid comparison...

I don't think that's a valid comparison...

Religion is not inherently used for killing, however a gun is.

The sole purpose of a gun is to kill (aside from sports use) , while the sole purpose of a religion is to uphold a moral based sociological system.

It's like saying because a brick can be used to kill someone bricks should be outlawed, and therefor the same logic cannot be used with other potentially lethal items, however unlike a gun, a brick is essential and needed for building, and is not purposed for killing or destroying a target.

While guns where essential, as well as other items that could be used for hunting, they are no longer needed, and instead are a luxury, those who enjoy hunting for example, do not NEED to hunt to provide for there families (or atleast the vast majority). Outside of a select amount of occupations the public does not need an item used for killing. While I don't support outlawing them I just can't see that justification.

 

[xPHARAOHx]

He meant the second amendment. The right to bare arms.

OT: the purpose of the second amendment was made as a concept of the Revolutionary war. It was so if the new government were needed to be overthrown the citizens could do so.



In my opinion, people should have a right and deserve to hold arms. The actions of a few shouldn't punish the majority.


If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

Yeah I know, I was only correcting him because he wrote the 1st amendment, and then edited it.

 

[Agumon]

lol 'Muricans

 

[xPHARAOHx]

He meant the second amendment. The right to bare arms.

OT: the purpose of the second amendment was made as a concept of the Revolutionary war. It was so if the new government were needed to be overthrown the citizens could do so.



In my opinion, people should have a right and deserve to hold arms. The actions of a few shouldn't punish the majority.


If a man went and killed everyone in a building because he felt that's what he got from reading Naruto, should we ban Naruto or even more so Manga from the US? 9/11 was caused by Islamic Extremists... Does that Gove us a right to punish Muslims?


Not at all. The event happens because of the individual not the tool/series/religion. Instead of taking something away like we are children, we should work together to better prevent such scenarios from ever occuring.

As long as your background checked out, and you have no psychotic disorders than I think that nobody would be punished. The only people that wouldn't be allowed to own a guns, wouldn't deserve to own one, and that's not a punishment that's only fairness.

The difference is that a man can't kill somebody with a manga. 911 was caused by Muslim extremists, and the Taliban, and they only were able to so because our government ignored their threats.

 

[Joker]

Starting to doubt it with what's been happening lately. It's not just a simple, "check backgrounds" anymore, looks can be extremely deceiving. Your neighbor could have a perfect record, no therapy, signs of mental unstableness, etc, yet one day they can shoot up everyone in your neighborhood. The world is unpredictable nowadays.

 

[Ōkami]

Gun laws don't stop naughty people from getting guns, they can just steal them.

Gun laws only prevent the good people from getting guns and protecting themselves from the naughty people.

 

[The Necromancer]

Starting to doubt it with what's been happening lately. It's not just a simple, "check backgrounds" anymore, looks can be extremely deceiving. Your neighbor could have a perfect record, no therapy, signs of mental unstableness, etc, yet one day they can shoot up everyone in your neighborhood. The world is unpredictable nowadays.

Exactly. Everyone starts off with a clean slate, even the biggest serial killer has the perfect background at some point.

Gun laws don't stop naughty people from getting guns, they can just steal them.

Gun laws only prevent the good people from getting guns and protecting themselves from the naughty people.

You don't think gun control would limit crime at all?

100% of potential criminals would still be motivated to commit these crimes and would have a 100% success rate?

I would like some statistics on crimes committed using legally obtained firearms and those obtained illegally.