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Sentience isn't a deciding factor, unless they display human like ability, intelligence and ingenuity.

All things react to stimuli even humans, that's why the example is flawed. Biological matter has it's own DNA, cell structures, which determine how it reacts to us. In fact some would argue plants do the opposite to us (convert carbon dioxide to oxygen) and keep us alive, therefore we should consume animals since they are a competitor on the planet.
Are you that dense..

"even humans" well, no sh1t, all sentient beings react to stimuli. Not all inaminate objects do. Could've picked another example.

Sentience is the main focus point as though you made a jestful remark comparing a few dozen chickens as less deaths then that of a thousand plants. Those few chickens will have suffered. The plants wouldn't have. Intelligence matters not. Sentience does. My puppy is a dumbass compared to the two kittens I had a long time ago. Yet, it feels pain when its hurt. Punch a wall or slap a plant, there is no suffering. Do I really have to lay this all out for you?

Now ask yourself if you couldn't go to the supermarket anymore as the apex predator you are, and you had to kill or artificially inseminate/rape every animal you ate or milked from, would you really? And lets broaden that question to the entire human population. If everyone had to do the above by their own hands, how many people would keep eating meat and dairy products?
 

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Are you that dense..

"even humans" well, no sh1t, all sentient beings react to stimuli. Not all inaminate objects do. Could've picked another example.
Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.

Sentience is the main focus point as though you made a jestful remark comparing a few dozen chickens as less deaths then that of a thousand plants. Those few chickens will have suffered. The plants wouldn't have. Intelligence matters not. Sentience does. My puppy is a dumbass compared to the two kittens I had a long time ago. Yet, it feels pain when its hurt. Punch a wall or slap a plant, there is no suffering. Do I really have to lay this all out for you?
What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.


Now ask yourself if you couldn't go to the supermarket anymore as the apex predator you are, and you had to kill or artificially inseminate/rape every animal you ate or milked from, would you really? And lets broaden that question to the entire human population. If everyone had to do the above by their own hands, how many people would keep eating meat and dairy products?
I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
 
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Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.



What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.




I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
I knew not to expect too much but you really couldn't be reasoned with.

Smh, you do you
 

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Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.



What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.




I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
I'm not a vegan but this is just dismissive, bro. The suffering still happened despite "serving the cycle of life". By this logic, a cannibal can do little wrong too.
 

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I'm not a vegan but this is just dismissive, bro. The suffering still happened despite "serving the cycle of life". By this logic, a cannibal can do little wrong too.
I could argue that, although cannibalism is frowned upon since we share species with humans and a genuine sense of empathy. Therefore, the cannibal would likely be executed.
 

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But the human victim is being a part of the circle of life so they are not suffering, right?
Not really, we view humans from the same angle as us they are a rational animal with higher intellectual faculties. I said it before empathy exists amongst humans, one will view another human as they view themselves. That's why they will execute the cannibal most likely and let him serve the cycle of maggots.
 
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