Unsolicited Advice Thread

YowYan

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Dec 9, 2010
Messages
15,124
Kin
1,244💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Sentience isn't a deciding factor, unless they display human like ability, intelligence and ingenuity.

All things react to stimuli even humans, that's why the example is flawed. Biological matter has it's own DNA, cell structures, which determine how it reacts to us. In fact some would argue plants do the opposite to us (convert carbon dioxide to oxygen) and keep us alive, therefore we should consume animals since they are a competitor on the planet.
Are you that dense..

"even humans" well, no sh1t, all sentient beings react to stimuli. Not all inaminate objects do. Could've picked another example.

Sentience is the main focus point as though you made a jestful remark comparing a few dozen chickens as less deaths then that of a thousand plants. Those few chickens will have suffered. The plants wouldn't have. Intelligence matters not. Sentience does. My puppy is a dumbass compared to the two kittens I had a long time ago. Yet, it feels pain when its hurt. Punch a wall or slap a plant, there is no suffering. Do I really have to lay this all out for you?

Now ask yourself if you couldn't go to the supermarket anymore as the apex predator you are, and you had to kill or artificially inseminate/rape every animal you ate or milked from, would you really? And lets broaden that question to the entire human population. If everyone had to do the above by their own hands, how many people would keep eating meat and dairy products?
 

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Are you that dense..

"even humans" well, no sh1t, all sentient beings react to stimuli. Not all inaminate objects do. Could've picked another example.
Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.

Sentience is the main focus point as though you made a jestful remark comparing a few dozen chickens as less deaths then that of a thousand plants. Those few chickens will have suffered. The plants wouldn't have. Intelligence matters not. Sentience does. My puppy is a dumbass compared to the two kittens I had a long time ago. Yet, it feels pain when its hurt. Punch a wall or slap a plant, there is no suffering. Do I really have to lay this all out for you?
What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.


Now ask yourself if you couldn't go to the supermarket anymore as the apex predator you are, and you had to kill or artificially inseminate/rape every animal you ate or milked from, would you really? And lets broaden that question to the entire human population. If everyone had to do the above by their own hands, how many people would keep eating meat and dairy products?
I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
 
Last edited:

YowYan

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Dec 9, 2010
Messages
15,124
Kin
1,244💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.



What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.




I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
I knew not to expect too much but you really couldn't be reasoned with.

Smh, you do you
 

Pumpkin Ninja

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,534
Kin
577💸
Kumi
2,186💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Another ad hominem, what have I done, except slap away nonsense, to earn your ire.



What suffering are they undergoing by serving the cycle of life? Btw, you not seeing a plant react doesn't mean it doesn't experience sensations. Also, they serve a valuable function, they maintain our lungs, they clean our air, our rivals animals help us live. It's a trade off worth it's weight in reasoning. Also, a wall isn't a plant stop disrespecting the lungs of the world. Everything serves a different function in the cycle of life.

As for emotional arguments about kittens, I wouldn't eat them, yet I would say a chicken I have no problem with. They serve different functions to humans.




I'll leave the rapeing to you, but yes I would kill rear and raise my own animals for fulfilment of my needs. Also, I buy are lol from a local farm, around 15 litres a week, so I have no qualms with it.
I'm not a vegan but this is just dismissive, bro. The suffering still happened despite "serving the cycle of life". By this logic, a cannibal can do little wrong too.
 

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I'm not a vegan but this is just dismissive, bro. The suffering still happened despite "serving the cycle of life". By this logic, a cannibal can do little wrong too.
I could argue that, although cannibalism is frowned upon since we share species with humans and a genuine sense of empathy. Therefore, the cannibal would likely be executed.
 

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
But the human victim is being a part of the circle of life so they are not suffering, right?
Not really, we view humans from the same angle as us they are a rational animal with higher intellectual faculties. I said it before empathy exists amongst humans, one will view another human as they view themselves. That's why they will execute the cannibal most likely and let him serve the cycle of maggots.
 

Pumpkin Ninja

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,534
Kin
577💸
Kumi
2,186💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Not really, we view humans from the same angle as us they are a rational animal with higher intellectual faculties. I said it before empathy exists amongst humans, one will view another human as they view themselves. That's why they will execute the cannibal most likely and let him serve the cycle of maggots.
You do realize you can find empathy and altruism throughout the animal kingdom, right? A lot of animals aren't really known for cannibalizing unless their lives are at hand, which somewhat suggests that humans not approving of cannibals might be for similar reasons that other animals aren't, rather than the moral argument you're suggesting. (Though cannibalism exists in some fringe human cultures but those are outliers).

But this is all besides the point which was that it's ridiculous to suggest that suffering doesn't exist so long as another is benefiting from the suffering.
 
  • Like
Reactions: YowYan

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
You do realize you can find empathy and altruism throughout the animal kingdom, right? A lot of animals aren't really known for cannibalizing unless their lives are at hand, which somewhat suggests that humans not approving of cannibals might be for similar reasons that other animals aren't, rather than the moral argument you're suggesting. (Though cannibalism exists in some fringe human cultures but those are outliers).

But this is all besides the point which was that it's ridiculous to suggest that suffering doesn't exist so long as another is benefiting from the suffering.
Not really, empathy only exists amongst a species for it's own unless a dire situation demands tbey cannibalise.

You're wrong, when animals clash during mating season and they get injured don't they experience pain? When a predator hunts the animal and it is hurt, that too could be it's pain. The cycle of life overrules that suffering since it serves a higher purpose outside of solely their own existence.
 

Pumpkin Ninja

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,534
Kin
577💸
Kumi
2,186💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Not really, empathy only exists amongst a species for it's own unless a dire situation demands tbey cannibalise.

You're wrong, when animals clash during mating season and they get injured don't they experience pain? When a predator hunts the animal and it is hurt, that too could be it's pain. The cycle of life overrules that suffering since it serves a higher purpose outside of solely their own existence.
Yes, they experience pain but they endure the suffering because their own instincts to mate and not starve are greater. Tf was the point here? Lol, you won't see an animal allow himself to be eaten because of the cycle of life, it will do everything in its power to avoid its own suffering. I don't mind arguing with people who's arguments I feel are correct but at least make arguments that are valid because yours make little sense.
 
  • Like
Reactions: YowYan

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yes, they experience pain but they endure the suffering because their own instincts to mate and not starve are greater. Tf was the point here? Lol, you won't see an animal allow himself to be eaten because of the cycle of life, it will do everything in its power to avoid its own suffering. I don't mind arguing with people who's arguments I feel are correct but at least make arguments that are valid because yours make little sense.
No they try and survive, however it's not in vain. They serve the cycle of life therefore the sacrifice is most noble. Who said they suffer when they add value to the one that consumes them🤔
 

YowYan

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Dec 9, 2010
Messages
15,124
Kin
1,244💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Yes, they experience pain but they endure the suffering because their own instincts to mate and not starve are greater. Tf was the point here? Lol, you won't see an animal allow himself to be eaten because of the cycle of life, it will do everything in its power to avoid its own suffering. I don't mind arguing with people who's arguments I feel are correct but at least make arguments that are valid because yours make little sense.
Deluded by the thought they are the apex predator while strolling through supermarkets, some people refuse to look at what connects them to other animal species. The fact they experience joy, sadness, depression, anger, jealousy, and other emotions goes straight by these simpletons due to systemic generational brainwashing. Some people cannot be educated with just words. They will stupify the conversation and drag you down with it. Its better to show slaughter footage for them to gain a little perspective.

There are even blockbuster movies that, secretly point out the fundamental corruption in our ways and animal agriculture being a centerpiece of this mad world. Think of Mad Max Fury Road, Cloud Atlas, The Bad Batch, The Matrix, etc.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pumpkin Ninja

minamoto

Active member
Supreme
Joined
Nov 3, 2011
Messages
22,577
Kin
25,811💸
Kumi
11,914💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yes, they experience pain but they endure the suffering because their own instincts to mate and not starve are greater. Tf was the point here? Lol, you won't see an animal allow himself to be eaten because of the cycle of life, it will do everything in its power to avoid its own suffering. I don't mind arguing with people who's arguments I feel are correct but at least make arguments that are valid because yours make little sense.
r u talking to me????..
 

salamander uchiha

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Mar 20, 2013
Messages
17,628
Kin
9,043💸
Kumi
6,082💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Deluded by the thought they are the apex predator while strolling through supermarkets, some people refuse to look at what connects them to other animal species. The fact they experience joy, sadness, depression, anger, jealousy, and other emotions goes straight by these simpletons due to systemic generational brainwashing. Some people cannot be educated with just words. They will stupify the conversation and drag you down with it. Its better to show slaughter footage for them to gain a little perspective.

There are even blockbuster movies that, secretly point out the fundamental corruption in our ways and animal agriculture being a centerpiece of this mad world. Think of Mad Max Fury Road, Cloud Atlas, The Bad Batch, The Matrix, etc.
I'll be sure to think of you when I'm chowing down on my hamburger, later tonight:lok:
 

Pumpkin Ninja

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,534
Kin
577💸
Kumi
2,186💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
No they try and survive, however it's not in vain. They serve the cycle of life therefore the sacrifice is most noble. Who said they suffer when they add value to the one that consumes them🤔
Do you understand what suffering is? Suffering still happens regardless of whether you feel their life was ended for a meaningful purpose or not. The very fact they try their best to avoid it shows they don't feel the same way you do, about it. If a lion was ripping you apart, your pain would be far greater than whatever satisfaction you get from feeling you are part of some circle of life.
It's fine that you think an animal serving the circle of life is okay and natural, I do too. But don't pretend they don't suffer in the process.
 
  • Like
Reactions: YowYan

minamoto

Active member
Supreme
Joined
Nov 3, 2011
Messages
22,577
Kin
25,811💸
Kumi
11,914💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Do you understand what suffering is? Suffering still happens regardless of whether you feel their life was ended for a meaningful purpose or not. The very fact they try their best to avoid it shows they don't feel the same way you do, about it. If a lion was ripping you apart, your pain would be far greater than whatever satisfaction you get from feeling you are part of some circle of life.
It's fine that you think an animal serving the circle of life is okay and natural, I do too. But don't pretend they don't suffer in the process.
hey man r u still a tobidara believer or not???..
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pumpkin Ninja

Pumpkin Ninja

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Oct 31, 2012
Messages
15,534
Kin
577💸
Kumi
2,186💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I do, I respect them enough to let them fuel my body and contribute to the cycle of life. You should do the same, give them greater purpose than just being animals.
You don't do it out of respect, you do it because you enjoy meat. Stop larping, dude, it's cringe. Man buys some processed food where the source of meat comes from a factory farm and pretends he is some noble hunter that spent a lot of energy and respect on his prey.
 
  • Like
Reactions: YowYan
Top