Understanding Sasuke's Cause

Mikasa Hagaromo

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So everyone thinks they know what Sasuke's end game is. They assume he's going to force everyone into submission and rule as a dictator.

I was going to save this for after he revealed his purpose in the next chapter, but I want to go on record with what I think and HOPE his plans are and what lead him to this conclusion.

So, first let's examine Sasuke's encounter with Itachi and his conversation with Hashirama.

- Itachi valued the village over the clan- this suggests the concept of no clan, no bloodlines, no families, only humans living together in peace.

- Hashirama- history of warring clans. Villages formed for clans to live together in peace. Madara couldn't get past the "clan" mentality and got ostracized.

Sasuke asked Hashi, What is a shinobi? Hashi never really answered the question. He just told the story and left Sasuke to draw his own conclusion.

What was Sasuke's conclusion? Shinobi CLANS are the root of the problem. Shinobi and clandom are the root of war and suffering. Prior to he village system shinobi clans sought to destroy each other. After the village system, they still do. Instead of it being clan vs clan, however, it became village vs village.

The solution?

Eliminate clans. Eliminate villages. Eliminate the root of the conflict: The need to protect clan and nation. Unite all clans and villages into one nation. One existence and eliminate the reason for them to fight. There would be no more clans. No more villages. Just one world. One world in which they'd have to learn to co-exist because if that world blew up they'd all be screwed. No more, losers for there to be winners. No more destroying one village to get leverage for your own. In Sasuke's world, the system would be like a fragile house that each nation and clan would need to help uphold lest it crashes down on them all and kills them.

This is what he meant by "erasing the past". Erase history. What makes up history? Mankind's story. Our story is rooted in our clan and tribal tendencies. Bu with erasing history, he's erasing their traditions and individuality.

Sasuke, would not be a dictator of this world, but overseer who quelches differences that may arise among the ppl.

His idea is similar to Naruto's in that he thinks ppl should look beyond clans and nations. But, he wants to force it. Naruto on the other hand believes in the ninshu approach which promotes an organic way to form a bond with others regardless of clan or village. His way isn't so realistic though and would take forever.

- Tailed beasts distributed to maintain peace via mutually assured destruction, leading to the abuse and sacrifice of lives to maintain this power. Furthermore, even with temporary peace and end of jinjuriki system, others could try to obtain and abuse the power of the tailed beasts. They must be eliminated.

What I'm hoping for is Sasuke creating a system similar to what we have now: one with economic interdependence. The real world is effectively one united world from an economic POV in that technology and capitalism has removed the barriers the separate us in many ways. Globalization unites us. Self interest unites us.

Obviously, all isn't perfect, but quite a few studies suggest that globalization helps maintain peace and reduces poverty in countries that are part of the global economy. But of course, it also comes with issues such as exploitation and increased pollution.

Obviously their are nuances to all this, but as a concept for Sasuke's purpose, I think this would be an interesting direction for Kishi to go in.
 

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I'm not reading all this so I'm just going to say I agree but also disagree
 

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It's as simple as he thinks this is the true way to peace. His way is probably the most realistic way, but because it is "morally wrong" it won't happen.
 

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Tailed beast are immortal, if Sasuke can't even understand that then his revolution doesn't mean jack shit.
 

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Skimmed, don't agree with the tailed beasts point and don't agree with his way of doing things, even if his goal is ideal.
 

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I don't see how this isn't very clear to everyone by now, but Sasuke only cares about himself. I could say a lot more, but I don't feel good at the moment (maybe I will in a bit). Just apply that concept to everything you said, then compare it to what Naruto wants to do.
 

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Tailed beast are immortal, if Sasuke can't even understand that then his revolution doesn't mean jack shit.

Unless he used Ningendou to somehow get rid of them. I know they are just chakra, but the Shiki Fujin still worked.
 

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They say the end justifies the means. His end is wrong. Therefore his means can never be justified. Course this is Shonen so his goal won't be that deep in the end
 

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Only problem is that you assume people fight over villages, bijuu, clans, etc. when there was fighting before all of these still; as long as the people's ideology is the same, there will be wars imo.
 

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I'm not reading all this so I'm just going to say I agree but also disagree

You should read it when you get a moment. It has some good points. I meant to add some pics to break up the text but said **** it. I just wanted to get my thoughts out and go to bed. LOL

No, this is a manga. The n.gga just crazy is all.

PPl don't give Sasuke enough credit.

Tailed beast are immortal, if Sasuke can't even understand that then his revolution doesn't mean jack shit.

Well, he could seal them away somewhere. I'm actually not even sure how Sasuke would destroy them. Maybe he discovered a sharinnegan technique that we haven't yet seen to destroy them with.

Skimmed, don't agree with the tailed beasts point and don't agree with his way of doing things, even if his goal is ideal.

Ok. Please expound on your reasons for disagreement when you get a chance.

*Wall Of Text*

Get some coffee and read it when you get a chance.


They say the end justifies the means. His end is wrong. Therefore his means can never be justified. Course this is Shonen so his goal won't be that deep in the end

How's his end wrong when he's aiming for peace? I can see disagreement with his means if they are what I propose in this thread.

Only problem is that you assume people fight over villages, bijuu, clans, etc. when there was fighting before all of these still; as long as the people's ideology is the same, there will be wars imo.

Very true, but that's my point. Ppl were always fighting over SOMETHING so forcing them into unity and creating a system that disincentivizes conflict lest they destroy themselves would maintain peace.
 

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I agree to a point as I have my own prediction going against yours. Though I'm more focused on Naruto meaning because he's just forcing you his feelings to correct a problem.
Which I believe is his plan to go with ninshu. Sasuke has already shattered Naruto way wen he showed everyone his feelings. Sasuke was indifferent.
 

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Well, well, well....looks like I was more RIGHT than wrong in this theory....it wasn't spot on but close enough.
 

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You should read it when you get a moment. It has some good points. I meant to add some pics to break up the text but said **** it. I just wanted to get my thoughts out and go to bed. LOL



PPl don't give Sasuke enough credit.



Well, he could seal them away somewhere. I'm actually not even sure how Sasuke would destroy them. Maybe he discovered a sharinnegan technique that we haven't yet seen to destroy them with.



Ok. Please expound on your reasons for disagreement when you get a chance.



Get some coffee and read it when you get a chance.




How's his end wrong when he's aiming for peace? I can see disagreement with his means if they are what I propose in this thread.



Very true, but that's my point. Ppl were always fighting over SOMETHING so forcing them into unity and creating a system that disincentivizes conflict lest they destroy themselves would maintain peace.

That's the exact same thing Hashirama did. When they eventually get out they will be pissed and wreck shit again. And yeah, good luck hoping for that.
 
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