True is this what some people overrating him and when someone trying to stop them from doing that others creating such treads like that. Dont overrate so than none underrates yours trully.
Whilst I agree that he is very underrated. He wasn't about to solo Itachi and Kisame; they'd have beaten him with medium-high difficulty if Jman went sage mode. As people have said, Itachi wasn't about to kill Konoha's strongest ninja of the time (although you've shown no proof to that claim, something is telling me I saw that somewhere in the manga) and he wasn't about to get into such an intense battle in that scenario which would be tricky.
Again with Orochimaru, he was under the influences of a drug/poison and thus limited but Orochimaru wasn't able to use any hand seals, and this is the only reason he couldn't finish Tsunade and Jman off.
However, you are bang on with the comments about his fight with Pain. He showed very very high skill level to compete that well under the circumstances of low intel and no idea what the deal was with the 6 paths - his death lead to Naruto and Konoha knowing the secret if I remember correctly.
So yeah, Jiraiya is way underrated but you need to be careful to not overrate him. He was top10 living at the time of his fight with Pain, probs even higher than top10. But since then, he's probably top 15 overrall (including dead-nin), maybe as low as top20.
All Uchiha>Jiraiya Obito - without gedo mazo/rinnegan; no. Little is known about Shisui but I think Jman takes him from what we know. Current Sasuke would beat Jman, but at time of Jman's death, I'd disagree.
Kakashi>Jiraya For real? theres no way you can categorically state that. I think you have a harder time proving that than the reverse.
Bee>Jiraiya Unsure myself.
All Kage Besides Tsunade and Mei>Jiraya Agree
Orochimaru>Jiraiya Agree
Deidara&Kisame>Jiraiya you mean together? Probably, if you mean individually, no chance, Jman all the way.
Now I dare anyone to debate with me why they disagree
He's one of the Sannin, of course he's strong. He's top 15 imo. I probably won't respond if you reply to this because I have to be somewhere in a little bit U_U
It's in the manga said by Fukazaku or Shikaku that he was the strongest. I just can't find the page. Concerning the 2nd question thought, it's said by Tsunade here
1- He was considered as the strongest in the leaf before he died
2- Hiruzen(God of Shinobi) always wanted him as his successor
3- Itachi and Kisame wanted to avoid him in part1 because they knew a fight against him would be tough and they could have died
4- He pretty much one shoted 2 strong Akatsuki members in part1(Itachi and Kisame) if Itachi didn't used Amaterasu to escape. Anyway Kisame was screwed
5- On drugs he managed to stalemate with Orochimaru and he still had his trump card(SM)
6- Without knowledge and on ennemys territory he wanted to deal with Akatsuki leader and almost managed to beat him with his toad genjutsu if Pain was complete at that time
7- With one hand 1 vs 6, he still managed to beat Animal Path0
8- Invincible Pain acknowledged the fact that he would have lost against him if he knew his secret
1- He was considered as the strongest in the leaf before he died
2- Hiruzen(God of Shinobi) always wanted him as his successor
3- Itachi and Kisame wanted to avoid him in part1 because they knew a fight against him would be tough and they could have died
4- He pretty much one shoted 2 strong Akatsuki members in part1(Itachi and Kisame) if Itachi didn't used Amaterasu to escape. Anyway Kisame was screwed
5- On drugs he managed to stalemate with Orochimaru and he still had his trump card(SM)
6- Without knowledge and on ennemys territory he wanted to deal with Akatsuki leader and almost managed to beat him with his toad genjutsu if Pain was complete at that time
7- With one hand 1 vs 6, he still managed to beat Animal Path0
8- Invincible Pain acknowledged the fact that he would have lost against him if he knew his secret
3- itachi was a double agent , he didnt want to harm toad face . thats why he told kisime thay they woul tie. 5- oro couldnt use his hands so come on . if u gonna state fact .u should state all of them. ps not j man hater,just stating facts
Jman fought with Nagato, the blonde fought with Madara and he had to ****ing cut her in two to put her down and she isn't yet dead.
And Nagato stated that if he'd know his secret, he might've bring him down.
Stop being fanboy, really.
Jman is one of the best characters in manga and a powerhouse in SM
he took out 4 out of the six paths of pain (3 initially and 1 after all six appeared)
if pain had already summoned all the six paths before ma and pa activated the genjutsu that would have been the end of pain(not Nagato though)
he has the highest stat total in Databook until now (Itachi shares the same value too)
of course Itachi vs Jman is debatable .... it depends on weather Jman is already in SM or not
Orochimaru is the strongest of the three Sannin. It's almost impossible to kill him with physical techniques, excepting you have a force comparable to a Bijudama. Once the four tailed Naruto hit Jiraiya, he left a huge scar to him. Orochimaru however didn't even need his rebirth technique after being hit by Naruto in his Biju cloak through the whole forest. His summons are stronger, too, and appart from that he is using the Edo Tensei. Definitely the strongest of them.
I think that it's also clear that Itachi beats him with moderate difficult if we consider the Mangekyou Sharingan with Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo. Sure, Itachi acknowledged hi power, but it doesn't mean that Jiraiya is capable of beating him. Itachi didn't want to fight at all, if it'd be so, he would have killed Itachi with his Tsukuyomi and also Jiraiya, by using Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or Susanoo by creating a ribcage with an arm holding a huge chakra-blade.
I also don't see him winning against Oonoki. Oonoki has at least as much experience as Jiraiya, can fly, mastered the Doton to a very good extent and is using the Jinton. A technique which is dangerous for anyone except of a Rinnegan user.
*signs* nowadays, everything is overrated or underrated.... recycling threads isn't really fun you know, that's why i hardly come to base these days....
Anyways all that aside..... i don't think he's overrated or underrated but if you think he could've one shotted itachi and kisame at the same time then you must be overrating him.
Untrue, Hiruzen fancied Orochimaru as a Hokage candidate for quite a while, though in the end decided on Minato. But it is true that Jiraiya has never wanted the hat, and if he ever did he would have had it.
This is before Itachi is revealed as an agent of the Leaf (whether it's before Kishi decided he was one is another matter), but one thing deserves pointing out: Kisame believed him. Kisame is a legit badass and had been working with Itachi for five years at this point and he honestly believed Jiraiya would own them, which tells you something about his reputation.
4- He pretty much one shoted 2 strong Akatsuki members in part1(Itachi and Kisame) if Itachi didn't used Amaterasu to escape. Anyway Kisame was screwed
And here Kisame is almost proved correct. Jiraiya legitimately stomped Konan at a later date, and dominating ANY Akatsuki-member is an achievement not shared by many ninja (Itachi is one of them and I can't even count the times it's been used as a testament to his strength). Konan is no pushover either, as she proved against Obito. She also SHOULD have had more intel on his abilities than he on hers, if you accept the quite reasonable assumption that she improved more than he did in the years after they parted ways, and in any case her existence was a complete unknown to him while she and the rest of Akatsuki probably kept tabs on potentially troublesome shinobi, as her teacher certainly was.
On the other hand using SM while your chakra is addled is tantamount to suicide.
I never understood why people suddenly began considering Orochimaru as superior to Jiraiya when the best he can achieve is mutual destruction. Whether he respawns later is another matter, but take a look at the facts:
Jiraiya has demonstrated feats superior to Orochimaru in combat, such as:
killing a Kage(or least Elite Jounin)-level shinobi with a single kick (One of Pein's bodies), not even needing to use Kawazu Kumite:
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And in the same moment proves why someone ACTING like an idiot is not always tantamount to them BEING an idiot, and why underestimating Jiraiya of the Sannin is a bad idea. See the previous panel:
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He also proves that Nagato isn't above suckerpunching idiots.
Having not only one but SEVERAL Manda-level summons available.
Being, in Sage Mode, immune to Genjutsu (unless it incapacitates him, Fukasaku AND Shima at the SAME TIME).
Having, in Sage Mode, not only LETHAL Taijutsu, INSANE Ninjutsu (remember that he is mad skilled in Ninjutsu even without Senjutsu-enhancement) but also one of if not THE strongest Combat Genjutsu in the series, the Toad Song. Making up nicely for his normal weakness in this field.
Surviving Four-Tails Naruto with only near-lethal wounds (Orochimaru took several lethal ones, though of course he didn't care) while:
Unprepared for combat (he thought Naruto could handle a little loosening of the seal, and Orochimaru had ridiculous amounts of prior warning)
Not fighting to kill (this is self-evident, as, for example, Naruto isn't dead)
Jiraiya also actually managed to supress Four-Tails Naruto while Orochi deciced to run.
And if Orochimaru somehow still forces Jiraiya to realize there is no other way, he'll use the Reaper Death Seal. Hiruzen knew it, and he was no Fuuinjutsu Master. Jiraiya was Minato's teacher in those arts and may even have helped him create it.
However, Jiraiya definitely CAN kill Oro without it, as vaporizing someone is entirely possible with this:
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Also, using Susanoo is a bad tactic against him unless you fancy standing in a field of burning oil. Stationary or slow-moving targets are not always a good idea. Amaterasu can be sealed or even dodged as the technique is easily sensable for SM Jiraiya.
In a battle between Jiraiya and Orochimaru, Jiraiya would "win", though he may be forced to die to seal the snakey man.
6- Without knowledge and on ennemys territory he wanted to deal with Akatsuki leader and almost managed to beat him with his toad genjutsu if Pain was complete at that time
True. Jiraiya fighting the Six Paths of Pain at the same time is only about a mid/high diff scenario for him if it's an open area, even without info, which is more than even for example Itachi can say.
Aye, agreed. If Jiraiya would know Nagato's secret he would have been living right now. In fact he sacrificed himself to find the truth about Nagato couse he knew there was no other then himself could do that... Jiraiya was one of the strongest...
i do agree that jiraiya is way underrated
but one thing when itachi said that him and kisame couldn't beat him and it would take all of konoha it was a mistranslation
itachi was talking about that if the nine-tailed fox went out of control it would take all of them to fight it
