[Spoilers] Underestimated Joker

[Simple Math]

How much do you think there's left? When it comes to his strength, of course he will get stronger, but I think right now, it's time for him to start taking over, instead of still just becoming stronger. For him to become Pirate King, he has to defeat all the top dogs. He's obviously not quite there yet, but I think DD would be a good stepping stone.

he might get a powerup arc after arc, since I doubt there will be another timeskip. as I said, Oda is only half thru the series so it should be another 10 years. possible more, or less. there's still a good chance of him becoming pirate king.

however as we speak of this current point, the new world is something Luffy has been training 2 years for, just to survive in. the fact "survive" even made me wonder how strong the enemies will be.

 

[Pervy Wrath]

he might get a powerup arc after arc, since I doubt there will be another timeskip. as I said, Oda is only half thru the series so it should be another 10 years. possible more, or less. there's still a good chance of him becoming pirate king.

however as we speak of this current point, the new world is something Luffy has been training 2 years for, just to survive in. the fact "survive" even made me wonder how strong the enemies will be.

10 years i too much... I have to wait TEN years to find out everything that will happen!? It's not a bad thing, but I'm just not very patient. Makes sense though. There's so much to do. I've only read the Punk Hazard arc, so can you tell me approximately how long an arc is? Obviously, in the anime they slow it down so they don't catch up to the manga, which means less fillers, but some of the arcs goes on for like 50 episodes

 

[Lt Fresh]

Are we reading the same thing? Vergo seems to be a very profiecent armor haki user, he doen't have conquers haki which putt you above the rest. Luffy>vergo in terms of haki. The fact that you said it takes a couple of sec for luffy to use 2nd gear which is enough time for law to make room? No it doesn't he has never done room under 30sec let alone 2? You shouldn't speculate these things Law knows he can't take on Luffy and Eustress. He mastered, yes emphasis on master haki with the first mate of gol rogers. Law is strong but there is no one in hell who was able to keep up with vice admiral speed in pre timeskip gonna lose to some how is so vulnerable outside the circle, it's not possible.

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Luffy's Emperors Haki would be useless against Vergo, Vergo can resist it. We saw Marco and Jozu resist Shanks' Emperors Haki, So I'm guessing Vergo can resist Luffy's.
-Emperors Haki doesn't really put you above the rest, if you can resist it you can survive. Which many people have done. Law also resisted Haki from Silver.

I'm only looking at the body Haki, which would determine this fight. Vergo's Body Haki is way better than Luffy's.

All Law has to do is say Room and its there. When He was fighting Vergo he put one up in 2 secs and retrived his heart for a sec.
-Your also forgetting Law's other powers


I'm not saying Law is above Luffy in everyway, there is somethings Luffy can do that Law can't and vice-versa.
-But I am saying if Law was to fight Luffy, Law has a higher chance of winning

 

[~Yubel~]

he might get a powerup arc after arc, since I doubt there will be another timeskip. as I said, Oda is only half thru the series so it should be another 10 years. possible more, or less. there's still a good chance of him becoming pirate king.

however as we speak of this current point, the new world is something Luffy has been training 2 years for, just to survive in. the fact "survive" even made me wonder how strong the enemies will be.

The supernovas have survived in the new world and they didn't need two years training, infact they all improved as much as Luffy has and they didn't get taught by Rayleigh.

 

[VongolaX]

doesn't change the fact that he moved his fingers and Jozu was stopped. I'm not Saying Joker is admiral level or anything, but this is exactly what happened in the manga.

true, i really do sympathize for you because it can be used as an actual feat. Just that when you look outside the box for a bit and you'll see what i mean. He indeed is very powerful, in fact if there was a narutoXonpiece crossover, he would solo the narutoverse. Just that i personally believe that he is on par with crocodile. Before people say, "oh he lost to luffy," it was all part of Oda's plan to reach luffy to shichibkuai status. Gekko fought luffy and lost in one battle, while crocodile foght luffy 3 times and won 2/3 against luffy. Basically what i'm implying is that, they might to do the same thing against doflamingo

 

[VongolaX]

Luffy's Emperors Haki would be useless against Vergo, Vergo can resist it. We saw Marco and Jozu resist Shanks' Emperors Haki, So I'm guessing Vergo can resist Luffy's.
-Emperors Haki doesn't really put you above the rest, if you can resist it you can survive. Which many people have done. Law also resisted Haki from Silver.

I'm only looking at the body Haki, which would determine this fight. Vergo's Body Haki is way better than Luffy's.

All Law has to do is say Room and its there. When He was fighting Vergo he put one up in 2 secs and retrived his heart for a sec.
-Your also forgetting Law's other powers


I'm not saying Law is above Luffy in everyway, there is somethings Luffy can do that Law can't and vice-versa.
-But I am saying if Law was to fight Luffy, Law has a higher chance of winning

Your speculating though, the fact that luffy trained with the best haki users alive doesn't mean anything to you?
luffy is yet to display full power. Also to end this law business, law worked for a warlord right? Luffy spent his whole life beating up pirates and two warlords pre timeskip. Now all of a suddent law is stronger because he showed something for ones? Luffy trained for 2yrs, while Law was planning his new world scheme for 2yrs, please tell me how law could do anything when he sucks at close combat?

 

[Lt Fresh]

Your speculating though, the fact that luffy trained with the best haki users alive doesn't mean anything to you?
luffy is yet to display full power. Also to end this law business, law worked for a warlord right? Luffy spent his whole life beating up pirates and two warlords pre timeskip. Now all of a suddent law is stronger because he showed something for ones? Luffy trained for 2yrs, while Law was planning his new world scheme for 2yrs, please tell me how law could do anything when he sucks at close combat?

Luffy mostly changed himself for those 2 yrs. Silver trained him for like 6 months. Luffy has only shown the ability to use Ada Haki on small parts of his body and not even the fully over his body.
-I feel Law has had more experience in 2yrs than Luffy. Training is one thing but as a Warlord you're hunting other pirates and fighting them.

I feel the fight wouldn't get to close combat. And if he does, he is a master swordsmen(maybe not as good as Zoro) but he is still is a swordsman.
-Law could keep this battle at bay)
-Law can out smart Luffy

 

[Grim]

Joker underestimated? when, where, who ? It's obvious that he will be pain in the ass and not a small one, after all he's the boss of this arc :3

 

[Lt Fresh]

Joker underestimated? when, where, who ? It's obvious that he will be pain in the ass and not a small one, after all he's the boss of this arc :3

I meant that I underestimated his strength. Before he showed his power I thought that maybe, Smoker, Luffy, Law, Zoro and Sanji could beat him mid-diff but I was proven wrong

 

[Grim]

I meant that I underestimated his strength. Before he showed his power I thought that maybe, Smoker, Luffy, Law, Zoro and Sanji could beat him mid-diff but I was proven wrong

why did you think that? There wasn't a moment when he showed any weakness. But yea... Haki was quite a hoax

 

[Anduril]

It's obvious Luffy is a little above vice-admiral at best because he lost to Ceasar in their first fight and had some struggle in this arc so he's definitely not there yet.

Currently Luffy is the strongest supernova out there. He lost to ceasar the first time cause he has little brains while ceasar is a scientist >_>

And you call sending your opponent flying in one hit, struggle?? dafuq??

 

[VongolaX]

Luffy mostly changed himself for those 2 yrs. Silver trained him for like 6 months. Luffy has only shown the ability to use Ada Haki on small parts of his body and not even the fully over his body.
-I feel Law has had more experience in 2yrs than Luffy. Training is one thing but as a Warlord you're hunting other pirates and fighting them.

I feel the fight wouldn't get to close combat. And if he does, he is a master swordsmen(maybe not as good as Zoro) but he is still is a swordsman.
-Law could keep this battle at bay)
-Law can out smart Luffy

Ray did not train him for 6months, it was 1yr and 6months, the rest luffy created new abilities. Law only killed 100 no name pirates and planned on his whole SAD takeover. Law has no feats compare to luffy, Law wasn't chosen to be a warlord, he made an over like blackbeard. Luffy beat 2 warlord pre timeskip, it took heart pirates and kid pirates to beat px-7, while it took the whole strawhat crew to beat there own android. Luffy has been stronger than law since pre timeskip and you wasnt me to believe law all of a sudden can beat luffy? I don't think so.

 

[Lt Fresh]

why did you think that? There wasn't a moment when he showed any weakness. But yea... Haki was quite a hoax

I just thought that having those 5 strong guys against 1 warlord would be enough. The strawhats have taken on other warlords before so I thought Joker would be no different. But seeing what Joker can do made me realize he was no joke.

Ray did not train him for 6months, it was 1yr and 6months, the rest luffy created new abilities. Law only killed 100 no name pirates and planned on his whole SAD takeover. Law has no feats compare to luffy, Law wasn't chosen to be a warlord, he made an over like blackbeard. Luffy beat 2 warlord pre timeskip, it took heart pirates and kid pirates to beat px-7, while it took the whole strawhat crew to beat there own android. Luffy has been stronger than law since pre timeskip and you wasnt me to believe law all of a sudden can beat luffy? I don't think so.

Those very 2 Warlords Luffy fought and beat Law could have done the same, I don't say he couldn't. Law could have taken out Gekko much faster than Luffy did, and Law would only have trouble with Crocodile because he was a Logia user.

It took the strawhats and Kuma's help to beat which ever PX they fought. Don't forget Kuma sent that robot flying.

You can't say Luffy was stronger than Law in part 1, We saw Law do 2 things in the first part, 1) fight some marines with Kid and Luffy, 2) Fight PX-7 with Kid
-Even in the fight with PX-7 we saw how fast Law's room tech was. He shifted the bear with the big guy in a flash.

Once an enemy is in his room they are at his mercy, he can basically do what ever he likes.
-Luffy would have to leave Law's dome, but have to enter if he wants to hit Law. But Law can do as he pleases which means, steal hearts, and cut whom ever up

 

[Simple Math]

The supernovas have survived in the new world and they didn't need two years training, infact they all improved as much as Luffy has and they didn't get taught by Rayleigh.

not 2 years you say, but needed to training. I mean, pre timeskip straw hats would get owned the moment they entered the new world. that's the reason why Rayleigh offered the meeting to be 2 years instead of 3 days later.

now while they are in the new world, even if they trained hard, they are still nothing compared to an admiral. theh still need powerup's imo.

 

[~Yubel~]

not 2 years you say, but needed to training. I mean, pre timeskip straw hats would get owned the moment they entered the new world. that's the reason why Rayleigh offered the meeting to be 2 years instead of 3 days later.

now while they are in the new world, even if they trained hard, they are still nothing compared to an admiral. theh still need powerup's imo.

No, i mean if strawhats entered new world without training two years, what'd make their fates any different then the supernovas? Some who are weaker than Luffy since he was one of the top supernovas pre-timeskip. Anyway, i think people are overating Luffy while underating his enemies. I don't know about you but Luffy better impress me next arc, Zoro got more shine than him as it is.

 

[Simple Math]

No, i mean if strawhats entered new world without training two years, what'd make their fates any different then the supernovas? Some who are weaker than Luffy since he was one of the top supernovas pre-timeskip. Anyway, i think people are overating Luffy while underating his enemies. I don't know about you but Luffy better impress me next arc, Zoro got more shine than him as it is.

well, strenght isn't the only only thing. although most of them are weaker than Luffy, I'm sure they haven't been sleeping for 2 years. they probably came up with a plan, like Law did, to get far in the new world.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Currently Luffy is the strongest supernova out there. He lost to ceasar the first time cause he has little brains while ceasar is a scientist >_>

And you call sending your opponent flying in one hit, struggle?? dafuq??

You have no proof of this statement. I would say Kid is considering he is directly challenging Big Mam but I dont have any proof and neither do you so lets not speculate.

 

[VongolaX]

I just thought that having those 5 strong guys against 1 warlord would be enough. The strawhats have taken on other warlords before so I thought Joker would be no different. But seeing what Joker can do made me realize he was no joke.



Those very 2 Warlords Luffy fought and beat Law could have done the same, I don't say he couldn't. Law could have taken out Gekko much faster than Luffy did, and Law would only have trouble with Crocodile because he was a Logia user.

It took the strawhats and Kuma's help to beat which ever PX they fought. Don't forget Kuma sent that robot flying.

You can't say Luffy was stronger than Law in part 1, We saw Law do 2 things in the first part, 1) fight some marines with Kid and Luffy, 2) Fight PX-7 with Kid
-Even in the fight with PX-7 we saw how fast Law's room tech was. He shifted the bear with the big guy in a flash.

Once an enemy is in his room they are at his mercy, he can basically do what ever he likes.
-Luffy would have to leave Law's dome, but have to enter if he wants to hit Law. But Law can do as he pleases which means, steal hearts, and cut whom ever up

You cant say law can beat 2warlords if he never did, no proof. Also strawhats beat one px and a second one came with a powerful
haki user, and kizaru. That is when kuma & Ray came in to save them kid and heart pirates barely won against one px.
you need facts from the manga to proof law>luffy, you think that in the manga ceasar said he was stronger than Law
and luffy beat cesaer, might register the difference in power.

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[SuSaNo]

I just thought that having those 5 strong guys against 1 warlord would be enough. The strawhats have taken on other warlords before so I thought Joker would be no different. But seeing what Joker can do made me realize he was no joke.



Those very 2 Warlords Luffy fought and beat Law could have done the same, I don't say he couldn't. Law could have taken out Gekko much faster than Luffy did, and Law would only have trouble with Crocodile because he was a Logia user.

It took the strawhats and Kuma's help to beat which ever PX they fought. Don't forget Kuma sent that robot flying.

You can't say Luffy was stronger than Law in part 1, We saw Law do 2 things in the first part, 1) fight some marines with Kid and Luffy, 2) Fight PX-7 with Kid
-Even in the fight with PX-7 we saw how fast Law's room tech was. He shifted the bear with the big guy in a flash.

Once an enemy is in his room they are at his mercy, he can basically do what ever he likes.
-Luffy would have to leave Law's dome, but have to enter if he wants to hit Law. But Law can do as he pleases which means, steal hearts, and cut whom ever up

When you say that that Law could of beat the 2 warlords Luffy beat pre-timeskip, are you referring to Law as pre-timeskip or or post time skip. Because if you are meaning post-time skip than yes i will agree with you because Law is definately strong post-timeskip. But he would have trouble with Crocodile.

Now let me correct you,The Straw Hats took down one PX by themselves and were having trouble fighting another PX and Kizaru, thats when Kuma and Rayliegh helped out.

Luffy was stronger than Law in the first part. Yes, Law can summon his room really quickly, but that was to just move two people.

In a 1v1 between Luffy and Law, I believe that Luffy would come out victorious, but it would be a close one. Yes, Law can cut anything he wants with his devil fruit, but you forget that he has to cut them. You are forgetting the speed Luffy has. I dont think that Luffy would let Law draw out his sword and let Law cut him.

The only reason that Vergo was cut was because Vergo was overly confident on his Haki and didn't think that Law could cut him. If Vergo knew Law could cut him than the fight would of been different.

All im saying is that right now from reading the manga, Luffy could pull out a victory against Law. But we haven't really seen both of the characters go all out in the manga so it is a toss up on who would win.

 

[KakuzuHatesMoney]

-Smoker will get on Luffy's level, he isn't far from it.

-Smoker wasn't fully fighting Vergo, he was trying to get Law's heart back

-When it comes down to a fight Law's power trumps Luffy's. Law wins that fight

-Lastly Joker has proven to be on a whole nother level than the three of them. Law is afraid to fight him and Smoker got whipped, Luffy won't be able to do much. Plus Joker said the StrawHats are a joke

The strawhats can **** Joker*** up. Moriah said they were a joke and so did crocodile. Look what happened to them.