unbiasedly sakura most likely would lose

[Melanin]

Gotta love how you just keep insisting Sakura wins, just crying out, without any arguments.

I've provided numerous arguments on this base, in threads where the consensus was Sakura > Hinata. As I said before the topic is played out and the winner is clearly obvious but your allowed to hang onto your opinon, I wouldn't expect anything less from you...

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

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Yes bring up as scene completely out of context. She did not get hit by a rock there. The Jubbi attacked and knocked the entire alliance back including Hinata in that scene. Naruto actually came out the worst from it with a dislocated shoulder.

Still I feel like arguing who would win is like who would win between the Cleveland Browns and the Jacksonville Jaguars and I do not know why people would really care.

I was just predicting their fight in the future. Sakura fans sure are dumb lol.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Why wouldn't she? Because you said so?

No, because facts say so. Hinata's reflexes are ages above Sakura's.

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More Chakra = Better Reflexes & Speed

With Sakura, we see that, when she is attempting to revive the fallen Naruto, she specifically points out her Chakra levels are super low, despite already having the Yin Seal, forcing her to go from using the Mystic Palm Technique to simply attempting CPR.

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Yet, later, we still see her use a massive amount of Chakra to help save Sasuke. This means that, despite her Chakra levels being greater than a Rikudo Naruto Shadow Clone’s levels, Sakura does not have access to ALL of the Chakra in her seal whenever she pleases, akin to how Naruto does not have access to all the Chakra of the Nine Tails in Part 1, though she can still transfer it to others, likely because, like Madara with Kaguya, her body is unable to handle so much Chakra actually being in her system and instead she must rely on extracting small amounts from the seal, amounts that she herself can actually handle.

Thus, Yin Seal does not affect her speed or her reflexes.

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Also, Sakura and Hinata ended up running out of Chakra at the exact same time, yet Hinata was on the battle field for 48 hours straight, in arguably the most chaotic area of the war due to the Zetsus, while Sakura was chilling in the medic corps tents. This is also another indication of her superior Chakra levels.

Of course, there is a far better and more direct comparison of Sakura and Hinata’s Chakra levels in The Last. We see Hinata recover Naruto’s drained Chakra pool within an instant, not even showing any signs of fatigue either, while Sakura takes three whole days to do so with every ounce of her Chakra, whereupon she is so exhausted to the point that she’s forced to lie down herself. Sure, you can argue that Naruto was completely unconscious with Sakura while he was merely on his knees with Hinata, but that doesn’t change the MASSIVE difference in the time and the resulting fatigue of both girls, which is non-existent in Hinata’s case. Not to mention Sakura, again, isn't able to tap into all of the Yin Seal's chakra as she pleases for her OWN use.

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Here we see Kakashi with his Sharingan activated in order to keep up with Lee’s movements, and we also see Neji doing the same. Obviously, this means the reason he has his Byakugan activated is to also be able to keep up with Lee.

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Later, we see another example of this with Hinata when Obito becomes the Ten Tails Jinchuriki. The transformation is seen twice, one normally, and one through Hinata’s eyes.

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Notice how in Hinata’s vision, there are far more panels used to display Obito sealing the Juubi? This indicates that Hinata too was using the Byakugan’s ability to keep track of high-speed movement, allowing her to see the Juubi being sealed away in detail. Moreover, Hinata notes that there were at least two ways she was able to tell the Juubi was absorbed by Obito, as she says “Judging by the Chakra as well”, meaning there would have been another method to how she knew the Juubi was sealed, that being that she simply saw it happen.

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64 Palms is a true testament to Hinata’s amazing taijutsu prowess.

Notice what Kakashi says. REGARDLESS of having penetrative vision, to be able to hit the Chakra Points in the heat of battle is something this man finds amazing. And this is Kakashi simply speaking of the Gentle Fist itself, not even the 64 Palms, a combo attack that pushes the Gentle Fist to its limit.

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With 64 Palms, Hinata needs to react, aim, and move fast enough to align the tiny chakra points at the edge of her fingers which are as small as the tip of a needle with the various equally tiny chakra points on an opponents body 64 times, all while maneuvering around in the heat of battle in a manner and speed so as to prevent her opponent from escaping her combo attack. Not only that, but the attack starts with 2 jabs and ultimately ends with 32 jabs, meaning Hinata is capable of dishing out 32 jabs in a matter of a second or two. Pretty sure that qualifies as better reflexes, precision, and skill than getting kicked by Omoi, a fodder in Taijutsu. but yeah, Sakura's reflexes are better.

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Then there is their short taijutsu feats in The Last.

With Sakura, it’s nothing impressive. She fights off a bunch of maiden puppets that were designed for service rather than combat, and her taijutsu itself doesn’t come off as that impressive when noticing that all the maiden puppets just fly towards her with no coherence.

With Hinata, she fights against the same puppets that gave Hiashi and Naruto trouble. During the fight, with no Byakugan abilities and pure taijutsu, she redirects the momentum of one of the puppets, sending it flying, dodges an attack from above before proceeding to double kick two other puppets and black flips off of one of them into the air. Landing, she then, without even seeing it, dodges a puppet who attacks her from behind, and finally proceeds to take on two other puppets before being stopped by Toneri. Heck, she even manages to incorporate kicks into her fighting style such a thing isn’t even PART of the Gentle Fist Style.

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Two quotes to note from here.

“Even if you can see it, if your body can’t move, there’s nothing you can do”

"I wouldn't run with that speed straight towards into my opponent in that manner. A straight forward attack makes it easy for the opponent to counter”

We know that not only can Hinata keep track of high speed, but her taijutsu is also very fast, evidenced by the 64 Palms, again, as noted above, and the Air Palm, which is noted as being a very fast strike. Sakura herself is nothing more than a straightforward fighter, often doing nothing more than dishing out simple punches that hold very little value or worth in a legitimate taijutsu battle, as shown time and time again.

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Literally the exact same pose and punch every damn time.

Compare that to someone who can rapidly and accurately hit 64 tiny points in battle, and all the evidence is in favor of Hinata in a taijutsu fight, even IF Sakura’s foot speed is faster, simply because Hinata’s eyes would keep track of such speed and her superior, faster, and more dynamic taijutsu would allow her to counter such speed and mundane combat skills, and, as Lee said, Sakura's speed would not matter because running straight forward at high speeds towards an opponent is asking to get your rear handed to you, especially one like Hinata, who could keep track of such speed and react instantly.

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Sakura admits her reaction time isn’t that great either, and before any chime in about it being early Part 2, no. We literally never see her improve any of her skills all through out Part 2, we get no evidence of her training to improve her taijutsu prowess, so there is no reason to assume it did. Instant reaction means reacting to things at close range, such as Sasori's poison needles, and we see her fail this three times later down the line with Omoi, a Zetsu, and a Wooden Spike, the same Wooden Spike Hinata DOES manage to react to at close range.

And, of course, Chiyo states you need plenty of fighting experience for such things, and last I recall, Hinata was the one who spends her time constantly in grueling training, even trained with Neji, and was the one fighting on the front lines of the war, unlike Sakura. Again, evidence this with her 64 Palms, which requires great accuracy, speed, and reaction time to implement properly, and we have even more evidence of Hinata’s superior reflexes.

 

[thgt89]

But Jacksonville >> Browns.

Maybe but would anyone be impressed if the Jags did beat the Browns? I think not.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

No, because facts say so. Hinata's reflexes are ages above Sakura's.

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More Chakra = Better Reflexes & Speed

With Sakura, we see that, when she is attempting to revive the fallen Naruto, she specifically points out her Chakra levels are super low, despite already having the Yin Seal, forcing her to go from using the Mystic Palm Technique to simply attempting CPR.

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Yet, later, we still see her use a massive amount of Chakra to help save Sasuke. This means that, despite her Chakra levels being greater than a Rikudo Naruto Shadow Clone’s levels, Sakura does not have access to ALL of the Chakra in her seal whenever she pleases, akin to how Naruto does not have access to all the Chakra of the Nine Tails in Part 1, though she can still transfer it to others, likely because, like Madara with Kaguya, her body is unable to handle so much Chakra actually being in her system and instead she must rely on extracting small amounts from the seal, amounts that she herself can actually handle.

Thus, Yin Seal does not affect her speed or her reflexes.

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Also, Sakura and Hinata ended up running out of Chakra at the exact same time, yet Hinata was on the battle field for 48 hours straight, in arguably the most chaotic area of the war due to the Zetsus, while Sakura was chilling in the medic corps tents. This is also another indication of her superior Chakra levels.

Of course, there is a far better and more direct comparison of Sakura and Hinata’s Chakra levels in The Last. We see Hinata recover Naruto’s drained Chakra pool within an instant, not even showing any signs of fatigue either, while Sakura takes three whole days to do so with every ounce of her Chakra, whereupon she is so exhausted to the point that she’s forced to lie down herself. Sure, you can argue that Naruto was completely unconscious with Sakura while he was merely on his knees with Hinata, but that doesn’t change the MASSIVE difference in the time and the resulting fatigue of both girls, which is non-existent in Hinata’s case. Not to mention Sakura, again, isn't able to tap into all of the Yin Seal's chakra as she pleases for her OWN use.

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Here we see Kakashi with his Sharingan activated in order to keep up with Lee’s movements, and we also see Neji doing the same. Obviously, this means the reason he has his Byakugan activated is to also be able to keep up with Lee.

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Later, we see another example of this with Hinata when Obito becomes the Ten Tails Jinchuriki. The transformation is seen twice, one normally, and one through Hinata’s eyes.

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Notice how in Hinata’s vision, there are far more panels used to display Obito sealing the Juubi? This indicates that Hinata too was using the Byakugan’s ability to keep track of high-speed movement, allowing her to see the Juubi being sealed away in detail. Moreover, Hinata notes that there were at least two ways she was able to tell the Juubi was absorbed by Obito, as she says “Judging by the Chakra as well”, meaning there would have been another method to how she knew the Juubi was sealed, that being that she simply saw it happen.

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64 Palms is a true testament to Hinata’s amazing taijutsu prowess.

Notice what Kakashi says. REGARDLESS of having penetrative vision, to be able to hit the Chakra Points in the heat of battle is something this man finds amazing. And this is Kakashi simply speaking of the Gentle Fist itself, not even the 64 Palms, a combo attack that pushes the Gentle Fist to its limit.

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With 64 Palms, Hinata needs to react, aim, and move fast enough to align the tiny chakra points at the edge of her fingers which are as small as the tip of a needle with the various equally tiny chakra points on an opponents body 64 times, all while maneuvering around in the heat of battle in a manner and speed so as to prevent her opponent from escaping her combo attack. Not only that, but the attack starts with 2 jabs and ultimately ends with 32 jabs, meaning Hinata is capable of dishing out 32 jabs in a matter of a second or two. Pretty sure that qualifies as better reflexes, precision, and skill than getting kicked by Omoi, a fodder in Taijutsu. but yeah, Sakura's reflexes are better.

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Then there is their short taijutsu feats in The Last.

With Sakura, it’s nothing impressive. She fights off a bunch of maiden puppets that were designed for service rather than combat, and her taijutsu itself doesn’t come off as that impressive when noticing that all the maiden puppets just fly towards her with no coherence.

With Hinata, she fights against the same puppets that gave Hiashi and Naruto trouble. During the fight, with no Byakugan abilities and pure taijutsu, she redirects the momentum of one of the puppets, sending it flying, dodges an attack from above before proceeding to double kick two other puppets and black flips off of one of them into the air. Landing, she then, without even seeing it, dodges a puppet who attacks her from behind, and finally proceeds to take on two other puppets before being stopped by Toneri. Heck, she even manages to incorporate kicks into her fighting style such a thing isn’t even PART of the Gentle Fist Style.

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Two quotes to note from here.

“Even if you can see it, if your body can’t move, there’s nothing you can do”

“A straight forward attack makes it easy for the opponent to counter”

We know that not only can Hinata keep track of high speed, but her taijutsu is also very fast, evidenced by the 64 Palms, again, as noted above, and the Air Palm, which is noted as being a very fast strike. Sakura herself is nothing more than a straightforward fighter, often doing nothing more than dishing out simple punches that hold very little value or worth in a legitimate taijutsu battle, as shown time and time again.

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Literally the exact same pose and punch every damn time.

Compare that to someone who can rapidly and accurately hit 64 tiny points in battle, and all the evidence is in favor of Hinata in a taijutsu fight, even IF Sakura’s foot speed is faster, simply because Hinata’s eyes would keep track of such speed and her superior, faster, and more dynamic taijutsu would allow her to counter such speed and mundane combat skills.

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Sakura admits her reaction time isn’t that great either, and before any chime in about it being early Part 2, no. We literally never see her improve any of her skills all through out Part 2, we get no evidence of her training to improve her taijutsu prowess, so there is no reason to assume it did. Instant reaction means reacting to things out of the blue, and we see her fail this three times later down the line with Omoi, a Zetsu, and a Wooden Spike.

And, of course, Chiyo states you need plenty of fighting experience for such things, and last I recall, Hinata was the one who spends her time constantly in grueling training, even trained with Neji, and was the one fighting on the front lines of the war, unlike Sakura. Again, evidence this with her 64 Palms, which requires great accuracy, speed, and reaction time to implement properly, and we have even more evidence of Hinata’s superior reflexes.

Well Sakura's attacks are broad and quite predictable. Even a decent taijutsu user would be able to intercept and counter her attack. Best example would be Omoi's kick in the face. Against the hyuga's gentle fist she'd be done for with even her baykugou rendered useless and then its game over for her.

 

[thgt89]

Well Sakura's attacks are broad and quite predictable. Even a decent taijutsu user would be able to intercept and counter her attack. Best example would be Omoi's kick in the face. Against the hyuga's gentle fist she'd be done for with even her baykugou rendered useless and then its game over for her.

Yeah maybe a skilled Hyuga like Hanabi or Neji would be a challenge but Hinata and skill should never go in the same sentence unless maybe talking about knitting.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Well Sakura's attacks are broad and quite predictable. Even a decent taijutsu user would be able to intercept and counter her attack. Best example would be Omoi's kick in the face. Against the hyuga's gentle fist she'd be done for with even her baykugou rendered useless and then its game over for her.

Exactly, her stupid speed feat against Kaguya's arm means nothing. Hinata's Byakugan allows her to see such speed in slow-mo, so no blitzing, her taijutsu is faster and more dynamic, reflexes far superior and chakra levels higher meaning higher speed, battle experience greater, while Sakura LITERALLY takes the EXACT same pose when fighting, yet that's not predictable to a taijutsu specialist that mastered the 64 Palms? A combo attack of the Gentle Fist that impressed Kakashi and Hiruzen simply by even managing to close a few in battle, let alone 64 in a row!

 

[Greatness23]

Like those puppets or whatever hinata was fighting were actually tryna kill her. She was their lords intended after all. I am shocked to see somebody try so hard to show the strength and skill of HINATA lol. Fanatics.

And, hinata didn't master 64 palms. She can barely strike a chakra point without fainting.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

I just came here to say that lady byakugan is kicking asses and taking names in this thread right now! This is all.

 

[Styles]

Maybe but would anyone be impressed if the Jags did beat the Browns? I think not.

Nah lol but in a few years i think so. Cleveland have tons of picks and Jacksonville have a good defense.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Like those puppets or whatever hinata was fighting were actually tryna kill her. She was their lords intended after all. I am shocked to see somebody try so hard to show the strength and skill of HINATA lol. Fanatics.

And, hinata didn't master 64 palms. She can barely strike a chakra point without fainting.

Does that devalue the feats we saw from her? Sure, they didn't use Chakra blasts or whatever, but the skill of her superior taijutsu is still there. She still manages to redirect, dodge, back flip, and predict enemy attacks without even seeing it. In fact, that last feat is enough to know Sakura isn't touching Hinata. If this girl can instinctively predict and avoid an attack from behind without Byakugan's 360 and slow-mo vision while surrounded by multiple opponents, Sakura's linear attacks are not touching Hinata, not ever.

Not to mention the intent of the puppets is ambiguous. If Toneri had sent them, he could have just gone himself considering he shows up later, likely due to the commotion. In all likelyhood, the puppets serve to protect the Tenseigan, and thus, would have not been holding anything back, just as the maid puppets are made to sweep floors, doesn't mean Toneri is controlling them all the time.

Filler, fam, good one though.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Yeah maybe a skilled Hyuga like Hanabi or Neji would be a challenge but Hinata and skill should never go in the same sentence unless maybe talking about knitting.

Actually its pointless to expect intelligent replies from a Sakura fan. They get rustled quickly and then its one fanfic after another.

Exactly, her stupid speed feat against Kaguya's arm means nothing. Hinata's Byakugan allows her to see such speed in slow-mo, so no blitzing, her taijutsu is faster and more dynamic, reflexes far superior and chakra levels higher, battle experience greater, while Sakura LITERALLY takes the EXACT same pose when fighting, yet that's not predictable to a taijutsu specialist that mastered the 64 Palms? A combo attack of the Gentle Fist that impressed Kakashi simply by even managing to close a few in battle, let alone 64!

So what is she going to do with her speed feat? Run away lol. Actually she couldn't even outrun the second arm and was about to be squashed like a cockroach. And in a battle one with better reflexes and attack speed would win. Sakura is lacking in both.

 

[Made in Heaven]

So what is she going to do with her speed feat? Run away lol. Actually she couldn't even outrun the second arm and was about to be squashed like a cockroach. And in a battle one with better reflexes and attack speed would win. Sakura is lacking in both.

The speed feat isn't even anything to put into consideration in a taijutsu fight anyways. If Sakura uses that kind of speed, which we only see her do in a linear line, that speed is being well tracked by Hinata's eyes, and her faster taijutsu will react accordingly. Again, pointed out by Lee, linear attacks are easy to counter, Sakura's attacks are nothing BUT that, so an eye that can keep track of speed and a user who can strike 32 times in a second are not being taken out by such a mundane tactic.

 

[Greatness23]

Does that devalue the feats we saw from her? Sure, they didn't use Chakra blasts or whatever, but the skill of her superior taijutsu is still there. She still manages to redirect, dodge, back flip, and predict enemy attacks without even seeing it. In fact, that last feat is enough to know Sakura isn't touching Hinata. If this girl can instinctively predict and avoid an attack from behind without Byakugan's 360 and slow-mo vision while surrounded by multiple opponents, Sakura's linear attacks are not touching Hinata, not ever.

Not to mention the intent of the puppets is ambiguous. If Toneri had sent them, he could have just gone himself considering he shows up later, likely due to the commotion. In all likelyhood, the puppets serve to protect the Tenseigan, and thus, would have not been holding anything back, just as the maid puppets are made to sweep floors, doesn't mean Toneri is controlling them all the time.

Filler, fam, good one though.

The last is filler too though just because they released manga scans of character designs doesn't make it the canon yal love boss, and that taijutsu wasn't spectacular from either one of them. How many ninja seem to always know when an enemy is attacking them from behind? it's a basic feat, if one could call it a feat. You act like Hinata did the damn impossible by dodging attacks from three enemies. While it is surprising that she could do that given her lack of combat experience, its nothing worth praise. GG

 

[Made in Heaven]

With Hamura's chakra, outside of higher Chakra levels and, in turn, greater speed, Hinata would easily be able to replicate the effects of her Kyuubi Air Palm, which sent a Tailed-Beast Sized hand flying instantly, since we know she can combine the Chakra with her own techniques. If Hinata were to use such a powerful attack on Sakura, she would be knocked away, causing her to collide with whatever environmental objects or buildings that may be around, in turn causing her to get knocked out and pass out, as we see that Sakura is very poor at tanking blunt force.

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The last is filler too though just because they released manga scans of character designs doesn't make it the canon yal love boss, and that taijutsu wasn't spectacular from either one of them. How many ninja seem to always know when an enemy is attacking them from behind? it's a basic feat, if one could call it a feat. You act like Hinata did the damn impossible by dodging attacks from three enemies. While it is surprising that she could do that given her lack of combat experience, its nothing worth praise. GG

3 years down the line and this argument is still being made.

Yikes.

 

[Greatness23]

With Hamura's chakra, outside of higher Chakra levels and, in turn, greater speed, Hinata would easily be able to replicate the effects of her Kyuubi Air Palm, which sent a Tailed-Beast Sized hand flying instantly, since we know she can combine the Chakra with her own techniques. If Hinata were to use such a powerful attack on Sakura, she would be knocked away, causing her to collide with whatever environmental objects or buildings that may be around, in turn causing her to get knocked out and pass out, as we see that Sakura is very poor at tanking blunt force.

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3 years down the line and this argument is still being made.

Yikes.

That's cause the truth don't change lil lady

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

The speed feat isn't even anything to put into consideration in a taijutsu fight anyways. If Sakura uses that kind of speed, which we only see her do in a linear line, that speed is being well tracked by Hinata's eyes, and her faster taijutsu will react accordingly. Again, pointed out by Lee, linear attacks are easy to counter, Sakura's attacks are nothing BUT that, so an eye that can keep track of speed and a user who can strike 32 times in a second are not being taken out by such a mundane tactic.

Her attacks have always been that way. Just charge, jump in the air and then pray that your punch connects which more often than not lands up on the earth while the target simply steps aside lol. And we've not seen Sakura use any tactics to make her attack pattern unpredictable. What's more funny is that she charged directly against Madara and ended up creating an opening for Madara.. A hyuga would see that coming from miles away and just an air palm would be enough to break Sakura's momentum.

 

[Made in Heaven]

That's cause the truth don't change lil lady

Not trying to insult you, but you ARE aware Kishimoto has declared The Last canon, right?

 

[L O S T]

Lol we're talking about the infamous tripper who outside war arc has tripped on full or near full chakra...

You're trying to put her on par with ppl who were already fighting, didnt trip over a rock, AND WERE NOT COVERED IN EXTRA CHAKRA FROM KYUUBI. -Thanks for scans btw on this1 btw.

Try again

Nah, we're putting her on par with people who was fighting from the start of the war, didn't forget how to breathe, AND WERE NOT COVERED IN EXTRA CHAKRA FROM KYUUBI

 

[Greatness23]

Not trying to insult you, but you ARE aware Kishimoto has declared The Last canon, right?

How would that be insulting? Anyway, I am not aware of Kishimoto saying anything like that. You got proof or should I take your word for it?