Ultimate/perfect shinobi, yet underrated. His true power

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Objective:​

I believe Hashirama is drasitcally underrated in terms of the prowess he possessed. Though noone talks about him in anything else but Mokuton or Sage Mode. However those are not the only things that made him the "ULTIMATE" Shinobi.

People claim that Madara Uchiha was close to his levell or was equal to him. People are now claiming Nagato can take Hashirama on and even win. Or Dsm Kabuto can take on Hashirama and win. However, all of these are false. Simply because they are close to Hashirama's prowess.

The key is to understand why Hashirama is the epitome of a Shinobi warrior. (Yes I know Rikudou and Obito are stronger, that does not make them the ultimate warriors.)

This thread will focus on the things why Hashirama was called the "Ultimate Shinobi". It wasn't due to a single aspect like Mokuton, it was because he was all around the greatest, and noone has been like him, even Rikudou and Obito.


Ninjutsu:

As we already know Hashirama was skilled in various ninjutsu skills, that ranged from simple clones to towering above the Tailed Beasts.

Mokuton:

Easily the second strongest KKG in the series, after the Eyes of God. This KKG enables Hashirama to easily put down Tailed beasts. And also make clones and other structures from Mokuton.

Some of the Vast Techniques that Hashirama possessed:



This clone technique is the ULTIMATE clone technique. Why? Because not only are the wood clones close to a living person itself, but the difference between the wood clone and normal body can only be told by, someone with a EMS. Also, the Wood clones can submerge with the trees and surroundings, making them very good for spying. Not to mention they are physically stronger then other clones.






Hotei no jutsu: "Laughing buddha Jutsu", is basically where Hashirama makes hands thats are near Kyuubi sized appear out of the ground. With this is has the power to stop the swords of Perfect Susanoo and Hold a bijuu.

Hobi No jutsu : The user creates a dome-like defensive structure that completely surrounds which takes the form of a Shinigam's/Demon's face. This defence is split down the middle and can be opened on the user's command. It can tank a 9-tails Bijuu bomb.





Other Techniques of Mokuton:

- 1k Hand buddha (requires Sage Mode)
- Wood Dragon - Able to bind the kyuubi
- Wood Human - able to capture a bijuu bomb and use it right back.
- Gates of the Great God - Able to supress the juubi in its second form ( Requires Sage Mode)

Sensor:​

Though his brother is the better sensor. Hashirama has proven to be the keen one in sensing. For example, he was the first one to sense Orochimaru was made of his cells. In the flahsbacks he was able to sense Madara there, while Tobirama was not able to.


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Sage Mode:​

Hashirama so far has shown the best control of Sage Mode. Unlike Naruto Hashirama doesn't need long time to focus, and on top of that his duration in Sage mode is shown to be VERY high.

We all know Sage Mode increases ones Natural abilities like: Speed, Strength, Reaction timing, and sensing abilities.


Elements:

He has 2 other elements besides Mokuton under his control. The elements of Earth and Water. Thus the combination of 2 makes Mokuton. Though we have seen no jutsus from Hashirama that use Suiton or Doton, but it is assumed he is capable of using them, since Yamato was. And his brother is also a very good Suiton user.


Medical ninjutsu:​

Hashirama's medical techniques have been stated to be superior to Tsunade's, according to Tsunade herself. Also, Madara stated that Hashirama was also able to regenerate like Tsunade. Though he cannot be called the best Medical ninja of the 2, due to the difference in knowledge and feats in it. But he is up there in the top 5 . When it comes to medical ninjutsu.


Genjutsu:​

Bringer Of Darkness is the only Genjutsu he has shown, but that was also, when he was revived in his weakened state. And on top of that Bringer of Darkness is a A ranked technique, so it is not some small genjutsu. It is close to being a perfect counter for the Uchiha, who need to see their opponent to use the sharingan genjutsu upon them.


Kenjutsu:

Hashirama has shown very good skills with weapons, as he was able to go toe to toe with a other weapon user, who possessed the sharingan. He weilded a sword.

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Taijutsu:​

His skill in Taijutsu has been very good ever since he was a kid. He has shown to be slightly above Madara when it came to it. And we all know how strong Madara is.

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Fuinjutsu:

Hashirama is the owner of the Scroll of Seals, which has many kinjutsu techniques sealed inside of it. Not to mention that Hashirama was also able to seal away Bijuus. And is known to possess many scroll:

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Chakra:

Hashirama senju has also, shown the strongest chakra of the series. And since he is the top of the Senju bloodline he possesses the highest chakra known, except that of a jinchuriki.

His chakra alone is enough to crack rooms made from stone, and overwhelm people.


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Conclusion:​

Basically what i'm saying is Hashirama is the most elite shinobi in the manga. In terms of skills and being near perfect in every category. Thus why people called him the "Ultimate Shinobi" in the time of the Great Madara Uchiha, and Tobirama and many other elite ninja, like Sasuke Sarutobi.

So when people put kids like Nagato or anyone else not even strong enough to even fight against a PS + Kurama battle, to fight against Hashirama and say he can beat him.. its really annoying. Hence why I have always felt he is severely underrated for the prowess he has.


Questions and Answers:
Question: So hes stronger then Obito and RIkudou?

Answer: No way in hell is Hashirama stronger then them, just because they are stronger, doesn't mean they are perfect shinobi. It is the same concept of Omega Shenron being stronger then Goku.. but Goku being the better fighter.


Question: Is this a fanboyism thread?


Answer: no, if you believe so then your an idiot.


Question: So why isn't Nagato on his level? He has the rinnegan....

Answer: Considering people need to make up a imaganitory Nagato who didn't exist while he was alive, and then give him the feats of Edo Nagato..... I don't think that he can even be put in the same talk as Madara or Hashirama. On top of that he is nowhere near skilled as Hashirama....

Question: Why are you overrating him?

Answer: I am not overrating him, what I have stated/shown specifically in the manga.

Question: So Edo Madara > Hashirama

Answer: No, do you see me claiming Rock lee > Gaara.. even if Rock lee enter the 7th Gate, it would be illogical of me to even assume that Rock lee > Gaara, without the other saying or telling he is stronger then the other. By the logic of Edo Madara supporters, Madara should be stronger then Rikudou also. And Obito. But are they? no. Personally Edo Madara = Hashirama at the best, unless we see Hashirama getting his ass kicked, which would be a very large probability.


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He's only number 2 on most people's top 10 list's he must be underrated :|
 

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u just did hashi's bio?

OT: i agree, still dont knw y people underrate him
 

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XDXDXDXD. yes hashirama was only the strongest in his time not in the manga.

as i recall kishi said madara has no weakness and he is perfect which means madara is the strongest to ever been shown in the manga not hashirama.

madara = EMS+amatersu+tskuyomi+PS+5 chakra elements+Mokuton+rinnegan+creation of all things+any jutsu in existence+immortality.

madara is the perfect shinobi as kishi said.
 

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Just because Hashirama is the third strongest ninja in the NV doesn't mean he's underrated.

Edit: Soon to be passed by Naruto.
 

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Hashirama beat EMS Madara mid dif.

Hashirama beat EMS Madara with Kurama extreme dif

Hashirama aint beating EMS Madara with rinnegan, mokuton and w/o Kurama(until we see otherwise)
 

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XDXDXDXD. yes hashirama was only the strongest in his time not in the manga.

as i recall kishi said madara has no weakness and he is perfect which means madara is the strongest to ever been shown in the manga not hashirama.

madara = EMS+amatersu+tskuyomi+PS+5 chakra elements+Mokuton+rinnegan+creation of all things+any jutsu in existence+immortality.

madara is the perfect shinobi as kishi said.

Edo Madara = Kabuto's lil biotch. o_O . You still wanna argue on this?

Kishimoto also said, Minato was the strongest dead ninja. o_O

Just because Hashirama is the third strongest ninja in the NV doesn't mean he's underrated.

Read the thread before posting.

"Underrated in terms of the power he possessed". Obito and Rikudou , are very vastly above him.

Hashirama beat EMS Madara mid dif.

Hashirama beat EMS Madara with Kurama extreme dif

Hashirama aint beating EMS Madara with rinnegan, mokuton and w/o Kurama

Beats EMS Madara - Easy - below mid diff

Beats EMS Madara - Med- below hard diff. Hashirama already knew he was going to beat him.... stated it in the fight himself. And this was while he was holding back...

Edo MAdara - first tell him to get off Hashi's D*ck.
 

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Edo Madara = Kabuto's lil biotch. o_O . You still wanna argue on this?

Kishimoto also said, Minato was the strongest dead ninja. o_O



Read the thread before posting.

"Underrated in terms of the power he possessed". Obito and Rikudou , are very vastly above him.

How is he underrated? Oh and I forgot about Rikudou Sennin. Making Hashirama #4

Oh and Madara is above him don't forget that. Rinnegan Madara put's Hashi on his back. Mokuton pulls his pants down while he's down there.
 

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How is he underrated? Oh and I forgot about Rikudou Sennin. Making Hashirama #4

So Kabuto's biotch is number 3? O_O

And uh " UNDERRATED IN TERMS OF THE POWER HE POSSESSED". MEANING PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE HIS FULL POWER.
 

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Edo Madara = Kabuto's lil biotch. o_O . You still wanna argue on this?

Kishimoto also said, Minato was the strongest dead ninja. o_O/QUOTE]

after madara broke out he is no longer kabuto's edo. you wanna argue with this?

i don't care about something that was said 50000 BC. i care about now. kishi says madara is perfect and invincible.
 

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"Prowess" is pushing it. Hashirama possesses a bloodline SUPERIOR to the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan! He fought Madara and Kurama to a standstill without using ANYTHING but Mokuton on-panel. And it's not until Madara combines Susanoo with the Nine-tailed beast that he even needs to go Sage Mode!

Sure, he's skilled. Sure, he's smart. But due to possessing a bloodline of UNPARALLELLED POWER, it's hard to judge his actual skill-level. If anything, Tobirama seems a more skilled/smarter ninja.
 

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after madara broke out he is no longer kabuto's edo. you wanna argue with this?

i don't care about something that was said 50000 BC. i care about now. kishi says madara is perfect and invincible.

When he broke out of it it was already released. All thanks to Itachi.
So , again Madara himself says Hashirama was the ultimate shinobi. You wanna argue that? =]

And hmm how can Madara be perfect, when everyone knows how to beat him?
 

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"Prowess" is pushing it. Hashirama possesses a bloodline SUPERIOR to the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan! He fought Madara and Kurama to a standstill without using ANYTHING but Mokuton on-panel. And it's not until Madara combines Susanoo with the Nine-tailed beast that he even needs to go Sage Mode!

Sure, he's skilled. Sure, he's smart. But due to possessing a bloodline of UNPARALLELLED POWER, it's hard to judge his actual skill-level. If anything, Tobirama seems a more skilled/smarter ninja.

Hashirama was stronger as a kid also..... and he didn't show mokuton till later on. o_O.
 

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When he broke out of it it was already released. All thanks to Itachi.
So , again Madara himself says Hashirama was the ultimate shinobi. You wanna argue that? =]

And hmm how can Madara be perfect, when everyone knows how to beat him?

yes all thanks to itachi. but now madara isn't kabuto's pawn.
and all of these reference to EMS madara which i don't care about. madara believes he is superior and he is superior by feats and hype.

tell me how?
 

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How do people not realize his power? He's revered for being the God of shinobi because he defeated EMS Madara + Kyuubi. But Now Madara has Rinnegan + Moktuon which > Kyuubi.

My top 5 is
1- Rikudou Sennin
2- Sage Obito
3- Madara
4- Hashirama
5- Naruto

No hate man, not trying to cause a problem I have mad respect for Hashirama and I actually like his character more than Madara's for many reasons. I'm just really logical and I have a hard time understanding how Hashirama wins with Madara's current power.
 

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Hashirama was stronger as a kid also..... and he didn't show mokuton till later on. o_O.

Oh, Hashi was stronger than his younger brother as a kid. Weird. I can't imagine how that can be anything but an indication of him being stronger than Tobirama FOREVER.

Hashi used a near-instinctive bloodline almost exclusively in battle. His vitality was such that he could heal himself even WITHOUT the massive medical knowledge and sealing skills of Tsunade.

Tobirama had a water-affinity, and a lot of creativity.

I know which one I think is more skilled.
 
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