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davidou said:
I'm asking for a scan that proves that Hyuga can' t destroy chakra.I can' t prove you are wrong, but I would be glad if you could prove me you are right.
In the scan you posted, Hinata probably used the gentle fist taijutsu, not the gentle fist ninjutsu.
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There's not many instances of Gentle Fist being used that I know of. I do know it's never destroyed a chakra substance by just flowing chakra.
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If Gentle Fist is used from a distance, chakra can't be transferred between people, so damage cannot be made to the chakra system,
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. When fighting against Kidoumaru, it was explained Neji had to use sharp extensions from his pressure points to cut the webs. If we're counting Kaguya,
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, which shouldn't happen if her chakra just "destroyed" his. Furthermore,
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Holy God said:
There's not many instances of Gentle Fist being used that I know of. I do know it's never destroyed a chakra substance by just flowing chakra.
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If Gentle Fist is used from a distance, chakra can't be transferred between people, so damage cannot be made to the chakra system,
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. When fighting against Kidoumaru, it was explained Neji had to use sharp extensions from his pressure points to cut the webs. If we're counting Kaguya,
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, which shouldn't happen if her chakra just "destroyed" his. Furthermore,
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My hypothesis is that Byakugan users can alter the properties of their chakra, they can use standard chakra without properties for an economy mode, they can also use different special chakras from the byakugan, but that costs much chakra.I really don' t want Neji to have lied to his friends.
For Neji cutting webs, I think it is an advanced scalpel using standard chakra.
You have a good point for Kaguya' s chakra arms that didn' t destroy Naruto's like it destroyed Sasuke' s perfect Susano'o although she wasn' t in a good situation.
But why would her arms destroy PS later?
I think Kaguya was in economy mode at the beginning of the fight,she didn' t want to destroy her precious chakra and didn' t use the special chakra that destroys chakra, at the end of the fight she understood that she had to sacrifice some chakra to win and one shotted PS like a fly.
 
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TheEvilOne said:
The Hyuuga wank is really getting out of hand :/
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Its just 2 or 3 members. One has an established history of coming up with fail theories. Another is just trying to bait Uchiha fans while low-key trolling. While Kirin the dragon sage just switches sides daily. Some of the decent Hyuuga fans I know don't really believe the crap in this sub forum which is why I spend my time more in Narutoforums. This site is a cesspool although its great reading this stiff for the kicks. This site and the Hyuuga fans are more entertaining than the actual manga and anime itself
 
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Holy God said:
I'm not saying Gentle Fist can't destroy chakra substances. You've mistake the context me and davidou were talking about, which isn't even about Gentle Fist itself. It's about the statement "Things made from chakra will be destroyed by simply putting chakra into it." Clearly it isn't that easy as I've already shown "simply putting chakra" into something will not destroy it, as he asked me "Why Hyuga' s chakra anihilates every other chakra?" The only time Gentle Fist has destroyed a chakra substance is through pure force, not mere contact.
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K. Dont agree but I dont care to further argue this.
That translation is a bit broken. The actual text is divided into two sentences
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as you can see two periods.

The first talks about chakra control strictly.
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(chakra control = chakura kantorooru). It specifically says "The slightest mistake in chakra control will result in the failure of this technique."

The second sentence talks about the Byakugan, and starts with "緻密な技量と"白眼"".
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Before it, "緻密な技量" is referring to fine control (of chakra) and proceeding it, "白眼", means "Byakugan".
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So what's the full translation then?

Once again, they are all described as using the Byakugan to target the area of attack, so they'll be labeled as a Bloodline Limit. No problem there.
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There is a problem. If a technique merely uses Byakugan as an assist, it's not a Byakugana ability, just a Hiden technique that uses the Byakugan. It's like saying the mind transfer is a Byakugan ability because it was used in tandem with the Byakugan. It isn't. It is merely a technique that was used ALONGSIDE the Byakugan to make it more accurate when targetting Obito. Thus, this is a hiden technique using Byakugan as an assist. If Air Palm/Rotation didn't need Byakugan to use and Byakugan only acted as an assit, they would be called Hiden, not KKG.

To further this as an example. If Hinata learned Rasengan and used Byakugan to pinpoint weak points on opponents to hit them with the Rasengan, it STILL isn't a Byakugan ability, just a Rasengan being assisted by the Byakugan. The sam can't be said for Air Palm/Rotation, which are called KKG.

Heck, doesn't Kakashi/Sasuke use the Sharingan to make Chidori possible? Yep!!! Yet Chidori is still just classified as a normal tech, not a Sharingan KKg. So this proves you wrong.

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is labeled as one because it utilizes the Sharingan, despite not requiring the Sharingan.
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Wiki isn't really reliable.

Stop avoiding the point. The Bloodline Limit argument is useless and has already been exposed. You've already said regular ninja can do it despite it being Gentle Fist.
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Do what? I said they can use Chakra Scapels, not Jyuken.
 
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Lady Byakugan said:
So what's the full translation then?
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"The slightest mistake in chakra control will result in the failure of this technique. Precise skill and the Byakugan are needed to attempt this risky ability."

There is a problem. If a technique merely uses Byakugan as an assist, it's not a Byakugana ability, just a Hiden technique that uses the Byakugan. It's like saying the mind transfer is a Byakugan ability because it was used in tandem with the Byakugan. It isn't. It is merely a technique that was used ALONGSIDE the Byakugan to make it more accurate when targetting Obito. Thus, this is a hiden technique using Byakugan as an assist. If Air Palm/Rotation didn't need Byakugan to use and Byakugan only acted as an assit, they would be called Hiden, not KKG.
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That's completely different. The technique does not regularly use the Byakugan nor is it described as using the Byakugan in the Databook. All the Hyuuga abilities are however, and the same follows for Sasuke's example, unless you're saying genetics are required to throw some shuriken and what-not.

Wiki isn't really reliable.
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It's listed as so in the Databook.

Do what? I said they can use Chakra Scapels, not Jyuken.
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I showed you an image of Neji using sharp chakra "needles" out of his hand, which is explicity described as Gentle Fist, and you said regular ninja can do it.
 
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Holy God said:
"The slightest mistake in chakra control will result in the failure of this technique. Precise skill and the Byakugan are needed to attempt this risky ability."
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K.

That's completely different. The technique does not regularly use the Byakugan nor is it described as using the Byakugan in the Databook.All the Hyuuga abilities are however, and the same follows for Sasuke's example, unless you're saying genetics are required to throw some shuriken and what-not.
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That doesn't matter here. You're saying things like Air Palm and Rotation are called Byakugan abilities because they use the Byakugan's sight as an assist, same goes for Mind Transfer in that regard, doesn't matter how often it is done.

Also, please address the other arguments I added in afterwards lol the Chidori argument already shows how faulty your line or reasoning is.

It's listed as so in the Databook.
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No, it's specifically called a ninjutsu tech

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I showed you an image of Neji using sharp chakra "needles" out of his hand, which is explicity described as Gentle Fist, and you said regular ninja can do it.
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They can do it w/ Chakra Scapel, Neji did it with Jyuken. They have similiar abilities and can somewhat replicate one another, same way how, say Gaara's Sand can mimic the properties of Magent Style, but he himself doesn't have Magnet Style. Or how Tsunade can mimic Hashirama's self-healing with the Yin Seal, but it isn't the same thing still. Or how Tenseigan and Deva Path both have telekinetic/force-based powers. Or how normal Genjutsu can mimic Sharingan genjutsu, but that doesn't make them the same technique EXACTLY.

Techniques can having interconnected abilities, is what I'm trying to get at.
 
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Lady Byakugan said:
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That doesn't matter here. You're saying things like Air Palm and Rotation are called Byakugan abilities because they use the Byakugan's sight as an assist, same goes for Mind Transfer in that regard, doesn't matter how often it is done.

Also, please address the other arguments I added in afterwards lol the Chidori argument already shows how faulty your line or reasoning is.



No, it's specifically called a ninjutsu tech

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They can do it w/ Chakra Scapel, Neji did it with Jyuken. They have similiar abilities and can somewhat replicate one another, same way how, say Gaara's Sand can mimic the properties of Magent Style, but he himself doesn't have Magnet Style. Or how Tsunade can mimic Hashirama's self-healing with the Yin Seal, but it isn't the same thing still. Or how Tenseigan and Deva Path both have telekinetic/force-based powers. Or how normal Genjutsu can mimic Sharingan genjutsu, but that doesn't make them the same technique EXACTLY.

Techniques can having interconnected abilities, is what I'm trying to get at.
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Your misconception is the association of these KKG with the Byakugan, these are just additional KKG Hyuga's have that is complimented by the Byakugan. For example, an Uchiha KKG is having the body to handle the Sharingan, regardless of whether they have the Sharingan or not, their bodies are physically built for it. These KKG that the Hyuga have such as the Vacuum Palm and other techniques are not gifted by the Byakugan because it's clear that Ao cannot accomplish these feats despite having a Byakugan. Extreme chakra control is a Hyuga KKG but not something restricted to the activation of the Byakugan. These techniques however still have to be learned, and aren't immediately granted by the Byakugan.
 
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