:wut: Shisui Izuna and probably even Fugaku rek's Hiashi tho. Shisui's body flicker by hype was better than Minato's plus he was Itachi's teacher. Also KA solos. Izuna is also a MS user and fought on par with Tobirama since they were kids. Fugaku have no feats only hype from the Novel or something. They aren't fodder by far.
Because Hiashi had so much exposure right? Even if the three lacked screen time we can get a good idea of their strength from mere context of their characters. Izuna was Madara's younger brother who fought with him against Senju countless times until he was mortally wounded by Tobirama (a person who far outclasses Hiashi). He had eyes almost if not as powerful as Madara's (in fact, Madara's eyes were worse at the time hence why he took the transplant) and overall anyone who can keep up with full blooded Senju or even fight along side of Madara falls into legend status.
I don't think so. The Hyuga are only ever listed with one KKG, that being Byakugan. All other KKG DERIVE from Byakugan, hence why they are not listed seperately.
This is getting too technical imo and also this isn't really the same as using actual abilities. Besdies, other people can Handle Sharingan as well, so it's not truly bloodline-exclusive.
Well, ao never even got any fight scenes, so I dont think he's a good argument tbh
I dont recall it ever being said extreme CC is a Hyuga KKG. I mean, I think Twin Lions Databook says Byakugan gives extreme CC, but another user claims otherwise, so idk (post 257 in this thread). Even when their abilities are brought up in manga and databook, CC is never called a seperate KKG, just something acquired through mastering Jyuken.
Agree.
Agree w/ Izuna.
We have no idea how the fight between them went down. You can't use an off-screen fight to show what technique was useless when we didn't even see what techniques were used at all. The only places we actually saw Shisui lose his eye was in the filler and Revolution but both of those are non-canon and involved trickery + multiple people to support Danzo.
When did it say it had a cooldown so long? And no, Ao was able to sense it precisely because he wasn't the one being controled. And it wasn't because Ao's words that Mifune got out but because Danzo released the technique. (He was already busted so there was no point in keeping him under control.) Hell, Mifune didn't even realise it after being released and asked Danzo if it was really the case, which Danzo non-challantly confirmed. The victim themselves cannot do anything once they get struck by it precisely because it takes control of their mind (unlike a standard genjutsu which simply manipulates one's senses).
"Only" as if that's something bad? Anyway, given how you said that he has no feats on what are you basing these are the only things he has? Again, you're just throwing baseless assertions.
This is just plain stupid. If you're already going to assume that his attacks would connect then why even bother debating anything? I could just assume before hand that Sakura's kunai will somehow find its way to Itachi's head and gg, Sakura beats Itachi.
Again, you have nothing to base that on as we never saw him in action and even Hiashi himself has only been shown doing something in a couple of panels as he too is a minor side-character just like the rest. Even if it were granted that Hiashi could beat Fugaku, it still doesn't follow that Fugaku (let alone the three Uchiha we're discussing) are fodder as you'd have us believe.
What stupid logic. Ao being able to tell something was off when someone else was under KA control is drastically different than if he himself was the one under its effect. he was able to tell because he could clearly see the difference in chakra and tell it was shisui, something he cant do if he was the victim as they would have no idea they are under control.
Fair point. But if that's the case, you really have nothing to go off of in regards to his body flicker and exactly how fast it was or to what extent it was superior to others. For all we know, it could just barely be better than others' to make him notable or perhaps it was merely is application of the technique.
Itachi did when he killed the crow with Shisui's eye in it.
He has Sharingan and we saw him using Fireball when Sasuke was a kid.
Except Itachi has superior feats to Sakura. Just as Hiashi does to Fugaku.
I don't think I called them fodder, and if I did, I meant they would lose to Hiashi, not that they are weak lol
No it isn't, every Byakugan user has been shown to have sensing ability and it's been confirmed Byakugan insight > Sharingan insight, that means if a Sharingan can see through genjutsu then Byakugan can do it twice as better.
He was good enough with it to be called "Shisui the teleporter". It was something special.
You are indeed missing something and it's pretty obvious. KA controls the mind - THE MIND. You're saying "well, it's cool since his byakugan could see through" but that's the point, KA makes the user unaware of anything the KA user doesn't want them to be aware so even if the byakugan could biologically work fine, the victim wouldn't "pick it up". It's mind manipulation, not sense distortion.
And this leads you to conclude that's the extent of his abilities?
1) You're going in circles. We don't know Fugaku's feats, we have nothing to compare the two on.
"Let's be real here. Only strong Uchiha w/o handouts and special conditions is Itachi. Most Uchiha are at fodder level like Izuna, Shisui, and Fugaku"
"It's not the tool itself but how it is used." - I am aware that average Byakugan has greater insight than average Sharingan but the guy said:
For one, not all users can detect the illusion let alone dispell it as we've seen the power of the eyes depends on the individual. One may well be aware they're in a genjutsu, but it hardly makes them immune to it. After all, countless non-byakugan users were aware that they were in a genjutsu, but they got done in anyway. Why? Because it's overcoming the illusion that's important - not mere insight.
Except Mind Transfer was assisted by another person other than the caster. The frequency does matter, because if a technique listed as a bloodline limit is used by someone who doesn't have it, then there's an obvious problem going on. Clearly you can see the problem with your example.
I'll take credit in that I assumed it was so since I didn't have a copy of the Databook itself, but that simply means I just have to present another example, and one that I personally verified is a bloodline limit:
This would make sense if the Gentle Fist was a technique, but it is a fighting style. You yourself said it encapsulates many things. As long as you're using chakra against chakra itself or the inner body, you are using Gentle Fist, as explained in the manga. Neji merely made pure chakra extend from his fingers. Nothing more nor less. Having a ninja without the Byakugan do the same thing does not mean, by any normal standard, that it is then not Gentle Fist. There is no difference.
You indeed repeated it two times as I myself have remarked so it seems your fanfics aren't a product of Hyuga bias but overall bad reading comprehension. You're also for the third time calling my post "hater fic" so I can't help but say:
I repeated it 2 times but you still don' t understand that you have been solo'd although it' s very simple logic that destroys your stupid hater fic that says that eye contact genjutsu doesn' t need eye contact.
Eyelids stop genjutsu.
