Ultimate Defense!

[Ambivalence]

i see what you are saying but your assertions is somewhat inaccurate. Obito doid reform them of a sorts. They were initially destroyed by K11 after he formed that sword with them. But he reformed them into the staff after standing up to Madara and stealing back Kurama's chakra from him. So saying they cannot or rather couldn't be reformed isn't entirely accurate.

I actually said the same thing as you in a thread, but I was wrong. Obito didn't form a TSB back then. What he formed was the black mass that he initially used when he was a mindless Juubi Jin, the Kekkei Mora that can't negate ninjutsu and isn't a TSB. Obito only gained 9 TSB after assuming control over the Juubi. It makes no sense for him to make a TSB from just stealing Gyuuki and Shukaku's chakra.

Now this is just speculation. On my part, but I get the impression they operate somewhat like Sasuke's S/T and need a lot of time to recharge. This might be a product of using Rikudo level techs. Since they are all so OP, once they are used it takes a considerable amount of time to recharge. Sasuke's Tomoe took forever to come back, maybe the same applies to Naruto's TSB?

Ever since Naruto's first TSB got destroyed, which was back during the Madara fight, he never got back one. Unless you're telling me this recharge time is large enough to span from the Madara fight and after the VoTE fight (I say after, because they hadn't reappeared at the end as well), then this is baseless. Nobody in the series has ever reformed a TSB from nothingness. What Obito did I explained above. It's actually assumed they are permanently lost, since the TSB only appear as a set from gaining Rikudou Senjutsu or being the Juubi's Jinchuriki, and have never been freely formed by a user.

But I agree, it's not that they can't be destroyed, it's just extremely difficult to do so.

I wouldn't say extremely difficult, but yeah.

 

[Uchiha boii]

What is op on about? Naruto doesnt even have tsb anymore ? Unless OP wants to explain why that tsb defense was completely missing when momoshinki attacked the chunnin exams or when momo soloed naruto with chakara rods or when shin stabbed through his supposedly inpentrable bijuu mode cloack ill wait for excuses on how naruto was nerfed and how he never uses full power smh pathetic the tsb are gone bro get over it at least he still has rsm

 

[DemiNaruto]

i see what you are saying but your assertions is somewhat inaccurate. Obito doid reform them of a sorts. They were initially destroyed by K11 after he formed that sword with them. But he reformed them into the staff after standing up to Madara and stealing back Kurama's chakra from him. So saying they cannot or rather couldn't be reformed isn't entirely accurate.

Now this is just speculation. On my part, but I get the impression they operate somewhat like Sasuke's S/T and need a lot of time to recharge. This might be a product of using Rikudo level techs. Since they are all so OP, once they are used it takes a considerable amount of time to recharge. Sasuke's Tomoe took forever to come back, maybe the same applies to Naruto's TSB?

But I agree, it's not that they can't be destroyed, it's just extremely difficult to do so.

At least u understand nd dont just wank. But tsb can be teleported away or damaged by senjutsu

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

the best defence is kamui, guodama and susanoo. and a yata mirror, while being in another country. but as single defences go, TSB is pretty damn OP.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

What is op on about? Naruto doesnt even have tsb anymore ? Unless OP wants to explain why that tsb defense was completely missing when momoshinki attacked the chunnin exams or when momo soloed naruto with chakara rods or when shin stabbed through his supposedly inpentrable bijuu mode cloack ill wait for excuses on how naruto was nerfed and how he never uses full power smh pathetic the tsb are gone bro get over it at least he still has rsm

I think sasuke got it worse...negged by shin's knives...negged and burned by momoshiki...tossed around by kinshiki

 

[DominiqueX]

Yeah, that's the best defense, as well as the best looking one.
Anyone without senjutsu or Kamui is pretty much fuqed.

Kishi nerfed TSB users..

Yep, sadly.

 

[Uchihakil]

Sasuke has rikudou chakra but he does'nt have rikudou senjutsu, so his attacks can't be negated, this should be long known to by people, and yes juubi bijuu dama has senjutsu since the juubi is like nature itself, goudodama tanked that shit, its manga fact juubi has senjutsu, and an attach froma juubi jin like bijuu dama should be senjutsu enhanced

 

[Michael]

Sasuke has rikudou chakra but he does'nt have rikudou senjutsu, so his attacks can't be negated, this should be long known to by people, and yes juubi bijuu dama has senjutsu since the juubi is like nature itself, goudodama tanked that shit, its manga fact juubi has senjutsu, and an attach froma juubi jin like bijuu dama should be senjutsu enhanced

Exactly, the juubi is natural energy itself and people believe it's chakra related attacks don't contain natural energy. XD

 

[Eng nawashi]

That is how I view the Quad Jiubi TTB part :

Jiubi is NE not senjutsu ,its NE isn't balanced with mental and physical Energies to form Senjutsu chakra .Senjutsu chakra was stated to be a requirement to damage TSB .My theory is that NE can't damage TSB .you need senjutsu chakra.Quad TTB is created by NE thus it can't damage TSB ,Indra arrow is also created by Jiubi NE thus it can't theoretically damage TSB .

People give Natuto Onmyudmon now.:lol it is something that only Jiubi Jin have displayed .

 

[Eng nawashi]

Exactly, the juubi is natural energy itself and people believe it's chakra related attacks don't contain natural energy. XD

So you are saying that the same TSB , that was damaged by Senjutsu Susano arrow from v3 susano and Senjutsu TTB from half kuarma ,can now tank Jiubi giant Quad TTB !!! With no single crack , the same gudodama that was damaged by 9 BSM chakra enhanced COrasengans!!! ,noooo waaaaay.

 

[oxtopus]

Tbb aren't ninjutsu or senjutsu,it is just an explosion which makes it negatable and yes,tsb is weak to senjutsu/six paths senjutsu,yes sasuke is immune to the effect of tsb but can't damage it unless he adds six paths chakra to his attack which apparently finished in vote 2 which means he can't produce it anymore. P.s only senjutsu/senjutsu chakra can affect tsb,gai was able to break the tsb by pushing madara's body through it,if he came into direct contact with it,his body will be erased

 

[Ambivalence]

Sasuke has rikudou chakra but he does'nt have rikudou senjutsu, so his attacks can't be negated, this should be long known to by people, and yes juubi bijuu dama has senjutsu since the juubi is like nature itself, goudodama tanked that shit, its manga fact juubi has senjutsu, and an attach froma juubi jin like bijuu dama should be senjutsu enhanced

Natural Energy =/= Senjutsu. :lol Also, go ahead and explain to me the TSB "tanked" the Quad Juubidama but got shattered by a single Senjutsu TBB from Half Kurama and a single V3 Arrow.

I'm not surprised that guy liked your post, though.

Jiubi is NE not senjutsu ,its NE isn't balanced with mental and physical Energies to form Senjutsu chakra .Senjutsu chakra was stated to be a requirement to damage TSB .My theory is that NE can't damage TSB .you need senjutsu chakra.Quad TTB is created by NE thus it can't damage TSB

That's not a theory, you just stated a fact. NE isn't Senjutsu.

People give Natuto Onmyudmon now

There isn't a difference between Naruto's and JJ's TSB. The fourth databook entry on TSB had RSM Naruto as a picture, though I really don't want to bother looking. Even if it didn't, 9 TSB spawned when he got Rikudou Senjutsu, just like the Juubi Jinchuriki's Ten Tails Coffin Seal (which is a variant of RSM), so there's no reason why his TSB wouldn't have negation properties.

 

[Uchihakil]

Natural Energy =/= Senjutsu. :lol Also, go ahead and explain to me the TSB "tanked" the Quad Juubidama but got shattered by a single Senjutsu TBB from Half Kurama and a single V3 Arrow.

I'm not surprised that guy liked your post, though.



That's not a theory, you just stated a fact. NE isn't Senjutsu.



There isn't a difference between Naruto's and JJ's TSB. The fourth databook entry on TSB had RSM Naruto as a picture, though I really don't want to bother looking. Even if it didn't, 9 TSB spawned when he got Rikudou Senjutsu, just like the Juubi Jinchuriki's Ten Tails Coffin Seal (which is a variant of RSM), so there's no reason why his TSB wouldn't have negation properties.

Go ahead and show me the scan of it cracking, or were you not paying attention to the scan?

 

[Eng nawashi]

That's not a theory, you just stated a fact. NE isn't Senjutsu.

Yup ,but someone can argue that these ttb was made by senjutsu not NE since obito had senjutsu but yes that is the best explanation to how TSB tanked Quad TTB .

There isn't a difference between Naruto's and JJ's TSB. The fourth databook entry on TSB had RSM Naruto as a picture, though I really don't want to bother looking. Even if it didn't, 9 TSB spawned when he got Rikudou Senjutsu, just like the Juubi Jinchuriki's Ten Tails Coffin Seal (which is a variant of RSM), so there's no reason why his TSB wouldn't have negation properties.

TSB =/= onmyudmon .Onmyudmon is a ninjutsu nullification jutsu that used through TSB by obi to and madara ,Naruto hasn't been shown to be using this jutsu so his TSB doesn't have it .all TSB is the same but what differed is how you use it .

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kamui isn't a defense, its S/T technique. Kamui does however provide absolute immunity against physical attacks but I believe genjutsu still works. Even itachi noted this in road to ninja.

Itachi genjutsu doesn't work on other Uchihas, itachi noted that weakness in part 1 against Kakashi. So Tsukyomi is useless against him. On road to ninja Tobi was not using kamui in that alternative world, he was just projection because his physical body could not enter that world.
But I do agree that the gudodama ball is one of the ultimate defenses out there.

 

[Uchihakil]

Itachi genjutsu doesn't work on other Uchihas, itachi noted that weakness in part 1 against Kakashi. So Tsukyomi is useless against him. On road to ninja Tobi was not using kamui in that alternative world, he was just projection because his physical body could not enter that world.
But I do agree that the gudodama ball is one of the ultimate defenses out there.

Genjutsu works on other uchihas, it all depends on if you have the power to break out of it

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Genjutsu works on other uchihas, it all depends on if you have the power to break out of it

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Only KA or get hooked up to the gedo mazou and cast it like Madara, besides that it wouldn't work.

 

[Uchihakil]

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Only KA or get hooked up to the gedo mazou and cast it like Madara, besides that it wouldn't work.

You have to have the power to breakout, by your logic, kid sasuke should'nt have been negged by itachi at the inn with tsuki, itachi said you can't cast genjutsu with someone with the same eyes, mostlikely he means if both of yall posses sharingan, or mangekyou sharingan, coz right here obito said he (sasuke) could'nt see through itachi's genjutsu

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Itachi just made him think he could see through his genjutsu, he let him believe so, but in reality he could'nt

 

[Loki d]

I swear you people can't comprehend shit to save a life. TSB is a Juubi's power, a Jinchruki gains Six Paths senjutsu/TSB from the Juubi. A Tailed Beast Bomb from the Juubi is the same chakra as the TSB.

The only reason Senjutsu is probably effective is due to the fact that the Juubi is made of natural energy and uses senjutsu. Similar to the idea behind Itachi's Tsukuyomi being that only someone that shares his blood can only defeat him.