Ukrainian singer wins Eurovision Song Contest with an Anti-Russia song

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Because he simply is great. He made Russia from a nation that went a 180° to what it is today. The west can't do shit without Russia's approval besides that. He is just simply the best Russia could get and the president Russia deserves.

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Besides that I personally couldn't care less about those journalists they are in the way of Russia unity and don't help at all although I do agree it is against freedom of speech but remember that Russia and eastern Europe isn't the west they got their own way to deal with stuff

Pics off the net, huh?

Not accurate. The Russian economy is fragile and the state's evolution is slowed to a grind; both courtesy of his tenure. Russia as a country has the potential to be extremely powerful thanks to an abundance of natural materials just sitting around. The growth shown in that picture is naturally occurring following their economy's collapse in the late 90s; in other words, it would've come to that whether he had been there or not. By manipulating himself into the presidential position, that growth becomes associated with him - even if he's not responsible. What he is at the helm of though, is the 2014 collapse.

For all his weird attractiveness, he's a Soviet antiquity that capitalized upon a situation and moment that favoured him. Wouldn't be surprised if he were responsible for those apartment bombings either.
 

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For all his weird attractiveness, he's a Soviet antiquity that capitalized upon a situation and moment that favoured him.

This is one of the most accurate things i read in this section.
 

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Just wait for me to get to my PC, I'm going to give accurate answers to those who claim Russia is not great
 

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..ouch. Albeit if everyone hates Russia, how come Russia has won the vote among people of Europe?

OT: After seeing Germany being the only country who gave Israel 12 points (you know who is spinning in his grave kek), which is so OBVIOUSLY only because of how talented the Israel's singer is, it's become clear to me that ESC should be renamed into Politicalvision instead. This is corruption in its finest, but oh well, the amount of dislikes for this 'winner' song on youtube says it all. The staff of the contest have compromised it in the eyes of many, many people this year.

All that remains is to enjoy the massive ongoing butthurt and eat popcorn :Sparks:

Yeah sorry, my comment was just a CS GO stereotype. Don't have anything against russians, it's just the internet is full on russian hate... you know. In my experience, when a russian speaks on a video game, everyone just shouts "cyka blyat" and gtfo of here ruski and all that crap
 

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I'm surprised by how many people are still interested in this laughable political drama, called ESC.
It was a cool music-event in the past, nowadays it's just low-class drama.
 

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Hahaha, nobody cares about Eurovision or Europe. TY and thr U.S of A solos.
 

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Yeah....right as it would be very clever to rig a contest and make it that obvious by showing the difference between the votes of the jury and the votes of the public and it's also of vital importance that Ukraine has to beat Russia in a singing contest and it's also important that we get even more tension by having the next edition in a country where there's a civil war ~_~

Hypothetically speaking if Europe was "rigging" this contest, which is plainly a stupid thought, do you really think they would have wanted this result? Like they haven't gotten enough problems already. If they rigged it, then they would have most likely avoided any controversial country like Ukraine, Russia, Greece...and would have chosen a safe bet like Sweden again, they really have become quite good at hosting Eurovision, or Australia that has no involvement in European politics.

For crying out loud. Yes there is a political aspect, yes no doubt there were people who voted for or against someone because of political reasons, this has worked both in favor and against many countries, however you don't need to blow this out of proportion. At this point this song is merely an excuse for many people to complain about political matters rather than the actual song being political.


Petition...don't make me laugh.


Why isn't it weird that poland goes from 7 to something like 237 and that 99,9999 of the people that judge this eurovision themself choose diff people than the jury. It would actually be very clever for the EU to rig it or other investers from other countries. This way Ukraine will be able to host an international contest which brings alot of positivity while they can't even feed their own people.

It isn't about choosing a safe nation again it is about they would want Ukraine to win. Russia was clearly the most popular nation in terms of song and show. Look at likes on youtube and look at the odds of betting and popularity in different european countries. You are very ignorant for denying that the results are biased when the public which is alot bigger has a different opinion than the jury. After Russia won in 2008 they changed the way of voting If I'm right. I didn't watch it back then but I read about it.



Petition is almost or already made on change.org. I hope there will be an investigation since it has already been proven that it is corrupt they literally offered us money to go to the finals instead of losing the semi-finals. What kind of evidence do you want? I hope some agency's can take a good look at the normal votes of the texters and callers so we know wether or not they said the truth. Besides that what you said in bold made your previous statements dumb and unneccesary since you agree too that the Eurovision is about politics and friendship/dicksucking.

Besides that the song was about politics she should have been disqualified for it. Eurovision can't get away with it after all these scandals.
 

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Pics off the net, huh?

Not accurate. The Russian economy is fragile and the state's evolution is slowed to a grind; both courtesy of his tenure. Russia as a country has the potential to be extremely powerful thanks to an abundance of natural materials just sitting around. The growth shown in that picture is naturally occurring following their economy's collapse in the late 90s; in other words, it would've come to that whether he had been there or not. By manipulating himself into the presidential position, that growth becomes associated with him - even if he's not responsible. What he is at the helm of though, is the 2014 collapse.

For all his weird attractiveness, he's a Soviet antiquity that capitalized upon a situation and moment that favoured him. Wouldn't be surprised if he were responsible for those apartment bombings either.

Bullshiting on the net, huh?

maybe if you actually took the time to check diff sources you can see the pic is true. It doesn't matter if it was natural after the collapse of the USSR Russia had an economy smaller than venezuala or something and 50% of the economy was controlled by 6 jews. After putin the nations economy has been growing in a rapid speed except for the last 2 years because of unnecessary sanctions. In the future the Russian economy will only get bigger and bigger because of trading their resources and other parts of their exports. They will achieve 150 million people soon which is a great number of people to have for a big economy.

Instead of shitposting you should take a look what putin did




income^




Russia even got more gold reserves now they bought alot last year



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Putin made Russia a powerful nation again like it always was. Now it is just waiting and see what way they go. I personally hope Russia will choose to become a industrial nation again. They got lots of resources and their tech is above even western countries in different departments.

 

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She is fairly famous in Crimea iirc. What gave you the idea that she is detached from Ukraine nor she does not perform there?

As i said, her lyrics were about personal and familial experiences. Not everything has to prioritize Russia, it is not like deportation of Crimean Tatars is a well known atrocity along with other crimes during Soviet era. I would say many people did not know it until this contest, the lyrics do not mention any ethnicity, number, country or place; i do not know how the context is relevant to recent events.

Look man Russia is a big country and it has a lot of enemies along with its lovers. The politicians and historians (aka relevant people) are already aware with the situation with Crimean Tatars if the heads of EU states want to keep Russia close or far to themselves they can do it anyway. Keep in mind Crimean Tatars are a Muslim population so i doubt they would get much sympathy if media and leaders emphasize on it.

It is not like it is first "political" song in ESC:


Uhm, so in your opinion Russians felt offended because they are all crazy, and the singer was just a victim of a misunderstanding? I don't believe so. References to politics are everywhere not only in the test of the song, but about everywhere in everything she did in these past days. Have you checked Poroshenko's reaction at that song? It really should be enough to see how politically biased was all that.
The song, anyway, is everything but recent, since Russia already claimed against it in 2014. Let's even suppose she was "innocent" when composed that, but if her song provoked such a reaction towards Russia it hasn't been very wise to propose it to a big audience like the one of Eurovision.
Also, I don't even understand why people have to idolize those Tartars that much. They're a Turk-Mongolic minority which liked Ukraine more than Russia. And so? Crimea is Ukraine because Tartars want so? So then if Pakistani minority in Italy decides they feel like they prefer Pakistan, Italy should become a Pakistani territory?
But leave all that, the fact that song wasn't the first political song in Eurovision isn't a justification at all. It instead shows how degraded was all that.

Actually she wasn't the one who brought politics to the table, that was you among everyone else who is making a complete pointless and unnecessary fuss. If no one would have bothered so much with this song, there wouldn't be any problems or do you think that everyone somehow understood what she was singing? That everyone would be carefully focusing on what the meaning would be behind her words even if they understood? Do you think that the average watcher of Eurovision is politically active and concerned about the European institution and the relationships between all the European countries? Of course not, they don't give a damn.

Uhm lol no, she indeed brought politics to the table. Unless you prefer to call reminding everyone a relatively hidden deportation with an episode happened in a completely different situation with completely different States "dishonesty". In that case yes, she brought dishonesty to the table. Please don't start with all fake-butthurt claims like "it's people like you who.." because simply no. And the fact you prefer to use the logic of "whoever understands what she's saying? Let's don't give a f*ck" should be enough to dissuade me from taking the rest of your reply seriously. But I will nonetheless, for love of the truth.

It's people like you who are the problem, that becomes extremely obvious from your post where you state that she is protesting against the annexation despite the fact it is not proven, but you say that it definitely is like that. You subjectively interpreted this as being absolutely political and as a result you made it political despite the reality there was no particular reason for it. You brought up politics on the table and now you are whining about it.

Exactly as above. I can assure you it wasn't my subjectivity at all. Everybody is talking about Anti-Russian behavior from the singer's part, I checked each of the most important paper of my country (perhaps the most subjugated of NATO's countries) and each of them spoke about Anti-Russian behaviour. So please, would you like to tell me where do you take your informations?

This really seems to have become Russia's specialty these days: whine. The largest and one of the mightiest countries in the world and each and every time something is not going their way, they whine and complain and see conspiracies everywhere. They place themselves in the role of a victim and then act like they get bullied. Currently Russia is the prime example of a sore looser.

Really? because I feel like USA are complaining quite a lot about foreign politics these years. Way more than Russia, that's indeed. Instead, Russia's messages are always not only reproving (as they have the full right to do so) but always seeking to find a collaboration with other states, which seem to act way more capriciously. Should I remind you what Stephen Harper did two years ago in Australia?

Seriously I have been following Eurovision for almost two decades by now. Politics is really nothing new, in fact I got the impression it has become even less severe than in the past. At least these days most participants are skilled, especially this time around the quality was quite high. But you shouldn't be pulling that out of proportion as voting has now become much fairer than in the previous decade in the sense that people aren't voting on auto pilot or do you think that Russia gets all their votes in an unbiased manner? Yeah right. You conveniently blot out the reality that Russia gains as much, maybe even more, votes because of this supposed political involvement as how to explain that Russia always competing for the 1st place? How to explain they always get so many votes? This time they even received the most votes from the public.

When did I made that claim? However, as already said, the fact that politics is nothing news isn't a justification. Also, I never said those of the jury were biased towards Ukraine. I just pointed out how it was an implicit Anti-Russia message. As simple as that.

Loosely translated: it's acceptable as long as the political element works in favor of Russia, but when it works against them, then they are going to complain.

Name 5 states that don't act like that

Russia plays the "poor little Russia being bullied by the entire world" continuously. Instead of just accepting it in a mature way for a change, Russia has to sulk again. "It's clearly political" but the reality that Russia itself does it all the time is apparently of no relevance.

You see, I could really write a wall to answer your provocative claim, but I think an image should be more effective:
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The only ones who are comparing this song to the recent events, seem to be the people who want this to be political. If no one would have made a fuss about the song, no one would have been bothered by it. Europe really wouldn't have been giving so many votes to Ukraine if they thought the song sucked or since when is Europe that political active?
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Here we go again with the "who gives a f*ck" logic. If for Russians is important to make the world know they're not a bloody country you are absolutely free to not give a f*ck, but then stay quiet and don't try to hinder those who really care about that.

es it's "nonsense", so why are you so riled about a song that goes about something that happened over 70 years ago? Yes you could draw a parallel with recent events, but if you just don't, then there's no issue.

No need to add other
 

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Russian blogger Anatoly Karlin from the Unz Review dazzles once again with his discernment (links to references are found on the site):



"Trigger Warning: Crimean Tatars Support Russia

In the wake of blatantly political voting during Eurovision 2016, which Ukraine’s Crimean Tatar representative Jamala won despite losing both the popular and the jury vote, to Russia and Australia respectively, the debate has been dominated by the following two positions:

Russia supporters – It was a political song, and as such inadmissable under long-standing Eurovision rules. The voting hewed to geopolitical lines – there was a remarkable correlation between the jury votes for Russia, and the levels of antipathy towards Russia amongst their respective national elites. Indeed, prior to the event, a Eurovision source told a British paper that “the feeling is that the European Broadcasting Union know how unpopular a Russia win would be and will do everything possible to help the other favourites to victory.” As soon as the conspiracy theory proved itself true, the official NATO Twitter account sent its congratulations to Jamala just to let the point sink in. One need hardly ask what relation an organization that calls itself a defensive military alliance has to a singing contest in which the main players – Russia, Ukraine, Australia – aren’t even members in it.

West/Ukraine supporters – Haha, suck it Russia! Why don’t you give back Crimea to its rightful owners and then we’ll talk? Or according to Refat Chubarov, the head of the old Mejlis and self-appointed spokesman for all Crimean Tatars: “”Inshallah, one of the beautiful days we will gather together in a free from the Russian occupiers Crimea, in the ancient and glorious Bakhchisarai! Today another important step to this day has been taken!”

Personally, I am not interested in Eurovision, and never have been. Nor am I interested in banning songs about historical events, least of all songs that have zero relevance or bearing on modern day Russia. Moreover, Russia’s representative Sergey Lazarev had gone on record in 2014 saying that for him, Crimea remains Ukrainian, so even if there was a conspiracy to cheat Russia out of a Eurovision win, it rebounded on entirely the wrong (or right, depending on your viewpoint) person.

So normally I wouldn’t be wasting column space on this – if it hadn’t raised a much more important and serious misconception: Underlying the general Western line on Eurovision is a singular lack of concern not just for the opinions of Crimeans in general (which is already well established), but of the Crimean Tatars themselves.

The unedifying reality (for Ukrainian nationalists) is that not only did the Russo-Ukrainian majority in Crimea overwhelmingly support its return to Russia but it was not even opposed by the Crimean Tatars, a minority that has been lazily assumed by many Western commentators to be uniformly and irreconcilably opposed to Putin and Russia.

In a VCIOM opinion poll asked in February 2015, one year after the referendum in which Crimeans voted to rejoin Russia, around half of Crimean Tatars said they’d support the majority decision if the referendum was to be repeated. Only a quarter said they’d vote to remain in Ukraine. To be sure, this is significantly more than in the case of Crimean Russians and Ukrainians, amongst whom Ukraine patriots constitute a fraction close to the poll’s margin of error, but they are by no means a majority or even a plurality.

Now to be sure one might rejoinder that VCIOM is a state-owned polling firm and as such can’t be relied upon to present an objective picture of Crimean Tatar opinon. Let us then turn to that famous Kremlin mouthpiece, The Washington Post, and its political science bloggers Gerard Toal and John O’Loughlin writing in January 2015. On the basis of surveys they conducted in Crimea in December 2014, they found that a slightly more Crimean Tatars approved of Putin than disapproved of him; for comparison, less than 10% of them liked Obama, while almost 60% of them “disliked” or “strongly disliked” him.

Incidentally, these figures are backed up by anecdotal evidence.

The Dutch Russia expert Nils van der Vegte was closely following the Crimea situation in early 2014 and around the time of the referendum informed his Twitter followers that “about 50% of the Tartars want to become part of Russia” and that they are split “20% pro-UKR, 20% pro-RU, and the rest are apolitical.” The exactitude with which subsequent polls would confirm Nils van der Vegte’s impressions is nothing short of remarkable.

But surely things could have changed in the past year to make the Crimean Tatars suddenly hate Russia. What about all the persecutions and the disbanding of the Mejlis, the main representative body of the Crimean Tatars?

Well, let’s talk about that. As part of Ukraine’s project to bind a restive Crimea to itself, the Mejlis was selectively filtered to be universally loyal to Ukraine to the point where its political inclinations came to fundamentally diverge from those of its supposed constituents. This was made most plainly evident in November 2015, when Mejlis-affiliated “activists” cut the light to 90% of the world’s Crimean Tatars for a PR stunt presented as an “energy blockade” of Crimea. This, unsurprisingly, was not all that popular amongst Crimean Tatars themselves, according to that other great Russophile propaganda organ The Kyiv Post:

"Sure, one resident said, Putin may not be the best leader, but he at least kept his word – he had sent generators to the peninsula to save the day. The Ukrainian authorities, on the other hand, spent months railing against numerous human rights abuses on the peninsula … only to commit their own human rights violation in response."

It is in this context that Russia’s banning of the Mejlis has to be viewed – an organization that owes its loyalty to a foreign power and which despite having zero democratic legitimacy, and not only pretends to not only speak for every Crimean Tatar but engages in quasi-terrorist actions against Russia and ultimately its own people.

Set against that, the Crimean Tatar language has been made one of three official languages in the Republic of Crimea – a status that it never enjoyed in unitary Ukraine. This was part of a package of reforms that guaranteed and expanded their political and civil rights as an ethnic minority.

They have also been able to share in the steep improvement in living standards that all Crimeans have enjoyed since joining Russia. Western headlines such as “The Misery and Terror of Life Under Putin in Crimea” regardless, economic statistics indicate that wages have stayed well ahead of inflation; not only did Crimeans escape the vast contraction in living standards that occured in Poroshenko’s Ukraine, but the introduction of Russian-grade wages and pension payments even allowed them to bypass the (much more minor) recession taking place in Russia itself. Although this development has been very mystifying to some, such as the economist Dave Dalton and “Crimea expert” Ellie Knott both of whom have insisted that the economic statistics are falsified – as people who dislike dislike data that fails to reflect badly on Russia are wont to do – it is a reasonable and logical enough occurence for people familiar with the very considerable gap between Russia’s and Ukraine’s GDP per capita and the concept of “convergence” in economics.

All things considered, it is highly unlikely that Crimean Tatars have sharply turned against Russia in the past year, however much the neocons, the Poroshenko regime, and their pet Mejlis might wish it were otherwise.

In the spirit of tolerance and social justice that Eurovision represents, I would suggest they check their privilege and stop appropriating the voices of Crimean Tatars.

On a less hyperbolic note, I am certainly not trying to argue Crimean Tatars are very enthusiastic and happy about Crimea’s return to Russia (though that should be obvious enough from the data). But nor are they particularly aggrieved about it; that describes a very modest minority, while the majority are basically apathetic (and another small minority are volubly Russophilic). Any talk of using them as a fifth column, let alone a partisan underground, belongs to the realm of fantasy – which is irresponsible but understandable, since their emigre Mejlis politicians have nothing else to offer."
 
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