Uchiha Sasuke Dōjutsu

[Shinato]

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This is the viz scan, and he says he is using his much tinkered Hashirama cells.

Couldn't that also mean that he had just tinkered with Hashirama's cells a lot? (Using the said knowledge.) Because if Sasuke gained Hashirama's DNA then the balance would be ruined. (As Hashirama had a strong Yang chakra even with Ashura's chakra.)

 

[Shinato]

So it can use a Rinnegan Genjutsu, but it's not a Rinnegan? Jesus Christ.

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Sasuke's Rinnegan used Amaterasu, yet it is a Rinnegan.

 

[ANiMUS]

So it can use a Rinnegan Genjutsu, but it's not a Rinnegan? Jesus Christ.

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Sasuke's Rinnegan can use amaterasu, but its a rinnegan :| Y can't a sharingan superior to the Rinnegan use a Rinnegan technique :|

Couldn't that also mean that he had just tinkered with Hashirama's cells a lot? (Using the said knowledge.) Because if Sasuke gained Hashirama's DNA then the balance would be ruined. (As Hashirama had a strong Yang chakra even with Ashura's chakra.)

This is a picture of Sasuke's Rinnegan and it says that it has Yin and Ying if u look in the picture

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Its not about yin and yang anymore. Its eyes and body.

 

[Benjamin King]

Sasuke's Rinnegan can use amaterasu, but its a rinnegan :| Y can't a sharingan superior to the Rinnegan use a Rinnegan technique :|

Sasuke's Rinnegan used Amaterasu, yet it is a Rinnegan.

Because his Rinnegan allows him to use Amatersu. Specifically his Rinnegan.​

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara rules know he got owned i dont see why people waste 5 pages on fanatics like him anyways

 

[Shinato]

Sasuke's Rinnegan can use amaterasu, but its a rinnegan :| Y can't a sharingan superior to the Rinnegan use a Rinnegan technique :|



This is a picture of Sasuke's Rinnegan and it says that it has Yin and Ying if u look in the picture

Its not about yin and yang anymore. Its eyes and body.

It was never about eyes or body. It was about chakra. Earlier people assumed that Kekkai Genkai (Bloodline Limit) was connected to the user's blood, but Naruto proved that wrong. Kekkai Genkai's are connected to the user by their chakra, not their bodies or eyes. Also, that panel doesn't state that Sasuke's Rinnegan is the concentration of Yin/Yang.

Because his Rinnegan allows him to use Amatersu. Specifically his Rinnegan.​

It was also stated that a counter-Genjutsu from a Rinnegan would disable the Tsukuyomi, Hagoromo stated that counter would come from Sasuke's eye. (Directly stating that it is a Rinnegan.) That means Sasuke 6 tomoe Rinnegan is stronger than the 9 Tomoe one which makes no logical sense.

 

[ANiMUS]

Because his Rinnegan allows him to use Amatersu. Specifically his Rinnegan.​

And Kaguya who gave birth to the Rinnegan can use Rinnegan genjutsu.

Simply speaking.
Kaguya is the founder of all chakra so she should have all powers and abilities

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[ANiMUS]

It was never about eyes or body. It was about chakra. Earlier people assumed that Kekkai Genkai (Bloodline Limit) was connected to the user's blood, but Naruto proved that wrong. Kekkai Genkai's are connected to the user by their chakra, not their bodies or eyes. Also, that panel doesn't state that Sasuke's Rinnegan is the concentration of Yin/Yang.

It was also stated that a counter-Genjutsu from a Rinnegan would disable the Tsukuyomi, Hagoromo stated that counter would come from Sasuke's eye. (Directly stating that it is a Rinnegan.) That means Sasuke 6 tomoe Rinnegan is stronger than the 9 Tomoe one which makes no logical sense.

So do you have any logical reason to doubt that what Kabuto put into Sasuke was Hashirama cells? and I was talking about the yin and yang symbol withing the eye. It gives the interpretation that the eye contains yin and yang

 

[Benjamin King]

It was also stated that a counter-Genjutsu from a Rinnegan would disable the Tsukuyomi, Hagoromo stated that counter would come from Sasuke's eye. (Directly stating that it is a Rinnegan.) That means Sasuke 6 tomoe Rinnegan is stronger than the 9 Tomoe one which makes no logical sense.

No. Just because a technique has a counter, doesn't mean the counter is stronger. And yeah, now that you mention it, Hagoromo did say that Kaguya's eye is a Rinnegan. So, we have 4 evidences that Kaguya's eye is a Sharingan:

-Madara said it is.
-Black Zetsu said it is.
-Sasuke said it is.
-Hagoromo said it is.

Kaguya's eye is Rinnegan with Sharingan's power on top of it. Any denial will be ignored from now on.​

Madara rules know he got owned i dont see why people waste 5 pages on fanatics like him anyways

Now you don't have anything relevant to say, because I put on the ground where you belong, and you starting to talk trash? As expected from you...ALWAYS.​

 

[Shinato]

So do you have any reasonable reason do doubt that what Kabuto put into Sasuke was Hashirama cells?

That it would ruin the main pillar that keeps the story afloat. Sasuke and Naruto are suppose to be Yin and Yang, complete opposites with the same end goals, yet different paths to reach that goal. To find peace, one must find harmony between Yin and Yang, cooperation between each other. If Sasuke was to have both Yin and Yang, while Naruto only has Yang then the plot would make no sense. That is why Sasuke held the Yin of Hagoromo and the Yang was given to Naruto during their fight with Madara. Madara had both Yin and Yang, they had one each. (Symbolic meaning of cooperation) Also, Kabuto only said he managed to keep Sasuke alive, not revive him. (Meaning Sasuke never died.) Besides the part about ruining the plot, what Kabuto said can be take in several ways.

 

[Benjamin King]

And Kaguya who gave birth to the Rinnegan can use Rinnegan genjutsu.

Simply speaking.
Kaguya is the founder of all chakra so she should have all powers and abilities

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Then why were you denying that she doesn't have Rinnegan minutes ago, and said she only has Sharingan?​

 

[Shinato]

No. Just because a technique has a counter, doesn't mean the counter is stronger. And yeah, now that you mention it, Hagoromo did say that Kaguya's eye is a Rinnegan. So, we have 4 evidences that Kaguya's eye is a Sharingan:

-Madara said it is.
-Black Zetsu said it is.
-Sasuke said it is.
-Hagoromo said it is.

Kaguya's eye is Rinnegan with Sharingan's power on top of it. Any denial will be ignored from now on.​

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Sasuke said it was a Genjutsu by the Rinnegan, that was before he saw Madara with the new eye. (Meaning he most likely assumed that Madara only had the regular Rinnegans.) Hagoromo said that Kaguya had the powers of the Sharingan, not the Rinnegan. Black Zetsu never said that Kaguya had the Rinnegan as far as I remember. Madara also never called it a Rinnegan, but the 3rd eye.

 

[ANiMUS]

Then why were you denying that she doesn't have Rinnegan minutes ago, and said she only has Sharingan?​

The 9 Tomoe Sharingan is the origin of the Rinnegan and the sharingans that come after them. I never said that it didn't have the powers of the rinnegan. In fact I even said that her eye has the ability to produce rinnegan genjutsu.

That it would ruin the main pillar that keeps the story afloat. Sasuke and Naruto are suppose to be Yin and Yang, complete opposites with the same end goals, yet different paths to reach that goal. To find peace, one must find harmony between Yin and Yang, cooperation between each other. If Sasuke was to have both Yin and Yang, while Naruto only has Yang then the plot would make no sense. That is why Sasuke held the Yin of Hagoromo and the Yang was given to Naruto during their fight with Madara. Madara had both Yin and Yang, they had one each. (Symbolic meaning of cooperation) Also, Kabuto only said he managed to keep Sasuke alive, not revive him. (Meaning Sasuke never died.) Besides the part about ruining the plot, what Kabuto said can be take in several ways.

Principle isn't enough to deny the most logical answer. Also, Naruto has Yin Kurama
If you see material coming from Kabuto and he tells u that he is using Hashirama cells then u can only take it as him pumping in Hashirama cells.

 

[Apêx1]

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The Viz said: ''My Susanoo kept me from absorbing Jinton properly''. The key word here is ''properly''. This means, that he still succeeded to absorb it, but Susanoo prevented him from successfully doing it. And Madara canonically absorbed Futon: Rasenshuriken while Susanoo was activated:

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He absorbed the Jutsu just before Susanoo faded away. And regardless of what, Susanoo is still EMS technique, which was used in conjunction with Rinnegan.​

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Yes, and the fact he failed to do it 'successfully' means his Rinnegan techniques and EMS techniques aren't supposed to coincide with one another, or at least, have a much lesser proficiency. His Susano had already naturally faded to remains of a skeleton, so saying Susano was activated is fallacious. Especially since it is only to be considered as activated when the Susano is being emitted from his own body, otherwise the continuous usage of it would have no chakra or bodily taxations.

Susano isn't to be categorised as an MS technique. Madara has used his Susano whilst blind, he had no dojutsu; yet used its MS stages. Same applies for Itachi. However, the EMS stages, ie v4 and stabalised have never been shown to be usable without the eyes, thus it cannot be deemed an EMS technique. Sasuke, on the other hand, has formed a hybrid in the context of having two dojutsu simultaneously, one (potentially 2) being at full power. Obito couldn't use 6 paths with a single eye, yet Sasuke is casually utilising his Rinnegan's differing S/T jutsu and 9 Chibaku Tensei's, shown the ability to see chakra openings in the body similarly to the Byakugan, while using both eyes concomitantly to instigate 9 genjutsu's without eye contact.

 

[Shinato]

Principle isn't enough to deny the most logical answer. Also, Naruto has Yin Kurama

Logic is subjective, not objectively. Though the point of Naruto does give some reason. Though (again) that chakra isn't Naruto to use, he borrows it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Black Zetsu manipulated the entire Shinobi world, knows more than Hagoromo, said that. More credible than a mere member.​

The only thing he said to know over hagoromo is that he was born while kaguya was already half way to it's orbit. Which simply doesnt put him over hagoromo, as its very conditional information.

If you're going to come here and troll, you'll need to do better than that. I posted 3 scans stating Kaguya's eye is a Rinnegan. Hagoromo said her Rinnegan has Sharingan's' power on top of it. If you're going to repeat the same argument over and over, you'll be ignored.​

That was in reference to sasuke's no one addressed her eye like that. And sharingan's power is term used to sharingan. And bold is just false.

That's a Sharingan and Rinnegan Jutsu?​

Used in conjunction with susanoo?

So you agree your argument makes no sense? Finally.​

You're abit slow, i guess that's why have this thread.
What makes no sense is that madara has to awaken 3rd eye to use IT, the sharingan+rinnegan eye that you name just rinnegan with sharingan's power(a term referred to sharingan) to it and design too and all this while being in possession of both powers that he supposedly cannot merge.

But lets just leave it at this because this thread is already pwned.

Your thread core is that it's misconception that sasuke has stronger eye... its just rinnegan... and then we all (yourself included) already cleared it up that his eye has sharingan powers with it... Now this by default makes his eye stronger and not just rinnegan!!!

The word 'sharinnegan' is of course fan fic but its used to clearly discriminate the eye that has both powers mixed and logically if one calls it by half name 'rinnegan' it can also be called 'sharingan' by other half.

 

[Benjamin King]

Sasuke said it was a Genjutsu by the Rinnegan, that was before he saw Madara with the new eye. (Meaning he most likely assumed that Madara only had the regular Rinnegans.) Hagoromo said that Kaguya had the powers of the Sharingan, not the Rinnegan. Black Zetsu never said that Kaguya had the Rinnegan as far as I remember. Madara also never called it a Rinnegan, but the 3rd eye.

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] And then he went to say it's countered by Rinnegan. [

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[ANiMUS]

Logic is subjective, not objectively. Though the point of Naruto does give some reason. Though (again) that chakra isn't Naruto to use, he borrows it.

Naruto borrows most chakra, and yin kurama is sealed within him.

 

[King Of Pop]

That it would ruin the main pillar that keeps the story afloat. Sasuke and Naruto are suppose to be Yin and Yang, complete opposites with the same end goals, yet different paths to reach that goal. To find peace, one must find harmony between Yin and Yang, cooperation between each other. If Sasuke was to have both Yin and Yang, while Naruto only has Yang then the plot would make no sense. That is why Sasuke held the Yin of Hagoromo and the Yang was given to Naruto during their fight with Madara. Madara had both Yin and Yang, they had one each. (Symbolic meaning of cooperation) Also, Kabuto only said he managed to keep Sasuke alive, not revive him. (Meaning Sasuke never died.) Besides the part about ruining the plot, what Kabuto said can be take in several ways.

just because the story focuses on Naruto and sasuke being yin and yang does not mean sasuke wont be permitted from having a yang boost, thats flawed especially when a manga panel is there in which it is explictly said that hashiramas tinkered cells is being pumped into sasuke, you cant ignore that just because of the pillar of the story, if a manga panel comes out that shows something then you dont ignore it. its just means for a convenient reason the writer decided to mix it up a bit, doesnt change the overall yin yang theme of the show. also doesnt naruto have yin kurama? thought so

 

[Shinato]

The bitch is mad and went to neg rep me, lel.

He knew he would awake the eye. [

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] And then he went to say it's countered by Rinnegan. [

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] Yes, he did. [

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] Madara did call it Rinnegan. [

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Black Zetsu never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan. Madara never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan. (You seemed to have misunderstood that.) Hagoromo never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan. In other words, neither of your proof is for the 9 Tomoe, but for the 6 Tomoe. Next time you go and insult someone (and childishly neg rep them with only a childish reason) make sure that you have actually read the counter-argument. I said that Kaguya and Madara's 9 Tomoe is not a Rinnegan. So again, please stop being childish.