just because the story focuses on Naruto and sasuke being yin and yang does not mean sasuke wont be permitted from having a yang boost, thats flawed especially when a manga panel is there in which it is explictly said that hashiramas tinkered cells is being pumped into sasuke, you cant ignore that just because of the pillar of the story, if a manga panel comes out that shows something then you dont ignore it. its just means for a convenient reason the writer decided to mix it up a bit, doesnt change the overall yin yang theme of the show. also doesnt naruto have yin kurama? thought so
It never said they were being pumped into him? It said that Kabuto used his much tinkered cells, how he used it is unknown. (Anything said as proof around that is regarded by logic which in itself is subjective.)
well technically it was stated that ashura and indra's chakra basically is hogoromo chakra. hogoromo gave sasuke his yin chakra. so in essence sasuke did receive his chakra therefore he awakened the rennigan. it also could be said that hogoromo specifically gave him that part of himself, just as he specifically gave naruto his senjutsu powers.
Yes, and the fact he failed to do it 'successfully' means his Rinnegan techniques and EMS techniques aren't supposed to coincide with one another, or at least, have a much lesser proficiency. His Susano had already naturally faded to remains of a skeleton, so saying Susano was activated is fallacious. Especially since it is only to be considered as activated when the Susano is being emitted from his own body, otherwise the continuous usage of it would have no chakra or bodily taxations.
Susano isn't to be categorised as an MS technique. Madara has used his Susano whilst blind, he had no dojutsu; yet used its MS stages. Same applies for Itachi. However, the EMS stages, ie v4 and stabalised have never been shown to be usable without the eyes, thus it cannot be deemed an EMS technique. Sasuke, on the other hand, has formed a hybrid in the context of having two dojutsu simultaneously, one (potentially 2) being at full power. Obito couldn't use 6 paths with a single eye, yet Sasuke is casually utilising his Rinnegan's differing S/T jutsu and 9 Chibaku Tensei's, shown the ability to see chakra openings in the body similarly to the Byakugan, while using both eyes concomitantly to instigate 9 genjutsu's without eye contact.
None of it changes that he still absorbed it whether he did it successfully or not. Did he activate Preta Path in conjunction with Susanoo? Yes, he did. End of the road. Susanoo started to fade away after he had absorbed Futon: Rasenshuriken; which means Rinnegan and EMS worked together.
lol, yes it is. Itachi got Susanoo by having MS, Sasuke got Susanoo by having MS, Kakashi got Susanoo by having MS, Madara got Susanoo by having MS. Madara used an MS technique while having Rinnegan activated, meaning he combined EMS and Rinnegan Jutsu together. Not even sure what you're trying to say by listing Sasuke's feats here.
-Madara used Limbo with 1 eye. The strongest Rinnegan technique.
-Obito claimed to use Human Path, which is one of the 6 Path techniques.
When did Sasuke show the ability to see Chakra openings? He made eye contact, hence why Hagoromo said ''glance''.
The only thing he said to know over hagoromo is that he was born while kaguya was already half way to it's orbit. Which simply doesnt put him over hagoromo, as its very conditional information.
The fact he altered his tablets without him knowing, the fact he knew they sealed Kaguya instead of Juubi, the fact Juubi is Kaguya's form and not Shinju's incarnation. Do you want me to go on?
That was in reference to sasuke's no one addressed her eye like that. And sharingan's power is term used to sharingan. And bold is just false.
Sasuke's eye is identical to Kaguya's eye. I'm sure Hagoromo is not blind enough to tell they're not the same. Wrong. You can have the power of an element, doesn't mean you have the element itself. Your comprehension is so wrong. He says her eye enabled her to use the Sharingan's power, but the eye itself is Rinnegan. Just like Kinkaku and Ginkaku; they don't have Kurama, but its Chakra enables them use powers like Kurama.
You're abit slow, i guess that's why have this thread.
What makes no sense is that madara has to awaken 3rd eye to use IT, the sharingan+rinnegan eye that you name just rinnegan with sharingan's power(a term referred to sharingan) to it and design too and all this while being in possession of both powers that he supposedly cannot merge.
Black Zetsu never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan.
Madara never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan. (You seemed to have misunderstood that.)
Hagoromo never called the 9 Tomoe a Rinnegan.
In other words, neither of your proof is for the 9 Tomoe, but for the 6 Tomoe. Next time you go and insult someone (and childishly neg rep them with only a childish reason) make sure that you have actually read the counter-argument. I said that Kaguya and Madara's 9 Tomoe is not a Rinnegan. So again, please stop being childish.
So all those scans I posted for you, that says the eye is a Rinnegan, and you're denying it all? Okay, nothing valid to bring. You'll be ignored. And look at whose being childish...You're the one who negged me first, you noob. When you can debate logically, I'll actually pay attention.
It never said they were being pumped into him? It said that Kabuto used his much tinkered cells, how he used it is unknown. (Anything said as proof around that is regarded by logic which in itself is subjective.)
he said with much tinkered hashis cells and his medical ninjutsu he was able to save sasukes life meaning that he gave him some hashis cells untop of medical ninjutsu. pumped is just another word i used to describe it.
he said with much tinkered hashis cells and his medical ninjutsu he was able to save sasukes life meaning that he gave him some hashis cells untop of medical ninjutsu. pumped is just another word i used to describe it.
So all those scans I posted for you, that says the eye is a Rinnegan, and you're denying it all? Okay, nothing valid to bring. You'll be ignored. And look at whose being childish...You're the one who negged me first, you noob. When you can debate logically, I'll actually pay attention.
None of the scans you posted says that the 9 Tomoe Eye is a Rinnegan ,they state that the 6 Tomoe Rinnegan that Sasuke has is a Rinnegan. (Madara and Kaguya had 9 Tomoes, not 6 like Sasuke.) Again, try to at least read before coming with a counter-argument, you may avoid looking like a child.
Oh and yes you are childish, you are using the;
"He started it!" logic here, how is that not childish? The rep system is there to be used. Its the same as saying that someone are childish for using a gun to shot something or someone, its what the tool was created to be used for. Also, debating logically will fail, that is why people debate objectively. Also, you only pay attention to what you are saying, ignoring anyone who says against you. (That way you cannot be wrong.) Which is another trait of a childish person.
None of it changes that he still absorbed it whether he did it successfully or not. Did he activate Preta Path in conjunction with Susanoo? Yes, he did. End of the road. Susanoo started to fade away after he had absorbed Futon: Rasenshuriken; which means Rinnegan and EMS worked together.
lol, yes it is. Itachi got Susanoo by having MS, Sasuke got Susanoo by having MS, Kakashi got Susanoo by having MS, Madara got Susanoo by having MS. Madara used an MS technique while having Rinnegan activated, meaning he combined EMS and Rinnegan Jutsu together. Not even sure what you're trying to say by listing Sasuke's feats here.
-Madara used Limbo with 1 eye. The strongest Rinnegan technique.
-Obito claimed to use Human Path, which is one of the 6 Path techniques.
When did Sasuke show the ability to see Chakra openings? He made eye contact, hence why Hagoromo said ''glance''.
That is not my point, though. Fact remains that the proficiency difference is still applicable. Fact remains that while PS is active, Preta Path collaboration claims are not implied or provable. Fact remains that Sasuke can use his genjutsu while using preta path, etc, whereas Madara cannot. There are many examples that can be stemmed from my statement, beyond the example made. Baseless claim. You don't know what transpired, nor can you claim a Susano is active once the user's chakra is no longer emitting the chakra that is creating a link between the user's body and the Susano manifestation itself. Once the link is broken between Susano and its wielder, even if its chakra manifestation is still present, it is only active in existence, not in linkage with its own user.
Disagree with Madara having used EMS and Rinnegan at the same exact time, and Lol. I was stating them to show the probability that Sasuke has access to the rest of the paths, since there's no reason to limit Sasuke to Deva after his CT usage.
And my bad, he hasn't. I meant the fact Madara was shown to see the Chakra openings of Gai, which is similar to the Byakguan's ability, and was granted to him by the Rinnegan itself. Therefor, there is no reason to doubt Sasuke's ability to do so given his Rinnegan is empowered by Rikudo's chakra, which essentially would amplify his eye's power to its fullest.
One reason I do not like to participate in this kind of thread is that the debaters never consider logic. Most people base their argument on their experience of Manga, and how thing seems to go down in general. Otherwise, it should be pretty simple to see that every Rinnegan including what the OP refers to as Madara and Hagoromo's is capable of Genjutsu.
Now, I would like anyone here to tell me if Nagato needed to use a genjutsu? With all the power Nagato shown, did he needed to use a genjutsu? See, my point is that Nagato could solo everyone in Konoha if he wanted. He could send his dragon to suck everyone's soul, and maybe only Naruto and Kyuubi would escape. Anyway, since no one will listen, I will give a page from the manga that connect Nagato to Genjutsu.
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Here, when Inoichi was reading in the mind of the hidden rain shin obi, he found a Genjutsu shield (translated also as Genjutsu blocks - VIZ scan will be welcome). This prevent eventually a truth serum from reading the mind, and I bet it would prevent someone from casting Genjutsu on the shinobi. This itself means that a Rinnegan user is also a master of Genjutsu. In addition, knowing that Rinnegan user can use IT, it should be obvious that the third eye is actually a subset of the Rinnegan power. it is a consequence of possessing Hagoromo's power, and this is why I refuse to accept that it is greater than Hagoromo's Rinnegan. Basically, the equation below applies:
Hagoromo/Madara's Rinnegan + Proximity to moon = Open Third Eye (eye of Kaguya).
Next, it should also be obvious that Sasuke's Rinnegan is a degraded version of Hagoromo's along with the fact that he has only one. My personal interpretation is that Sasuke's greatest power is still his EMS, and he got only one Rinnegan because his body cannot sustain two. The following applies:
(1) Rinnegan possesses two set of Jutsus: (a) Yang Jutsus and (b) Yin Jutsus
(a) A normal human can perform Rinnegan's Yang jutsus if he has the knowledge and required body (chakra). There are many example in the manga (Edo Tensei, Muki Tensei, Chyio's Tensei (small Rinne Tensei)). The closest evidence of these are the Yamaka clans. All their Jutsus are Rinnegan Jutsu and their only limitation is chakra reserve:
example 1. Controlling people's body
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example 2. Mind reading
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Just like any dojutsus, I bet Rinnegan gives knowledge and better control over these jutsus.
(b) Anyone with dojutsus or with Yin element has the potential to master all the Yin set of Rinnegan Jutsus. We have seen Obito traveling between world, and I bet if he wanted, he could have stayed just like Hagoromo.
(2) It is Obvious that Sasuke's Rinnegan is weaker than Hagoromo's.
It is important to know that Sasuke is missing two parts of Hagoromo's power: (c) the Yang of Hagoromo (Ashura's power) and (d) Kurama.
While it has not been stated yet, I bet there is a certain relationship between Hagoromo and Kurama. Here, Hagoromo gave the condition to awaken his chakra in the real world:
Here, Hagoromo mentions that Kyuubi's chakra is necessary:
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My opinion is that Kyuubi is the necessary ingredient for true Yin-Yang release. It is the only bijus that have been shown to possess Yin and Yang parts. Now, in Nagato's case, he had Gedo Mazou, which contains substance from all bijus to power his Rinnegan technique, and we have seen that he needed Gedo Mazou to perform certain techs. In my opinion, these hints make obvious that Sasuke's Rinnegan is lower than Hagoromo' and should come with less jutsu, especially, I predict that he will not possess all to no six path technique.
Note 1: An evidence that Sasuke do not possess all the ingredient of Rinnegan is that he cannot produce his own CT core. Until he produces one, it is assume that he cannot have the black element ( make sense because he never sync with Gedo Mazou).
Note 2: Commonly overlooked
Hagoromo is called the sage of the six path. When Naruto mastered sage mode, he was called a sage. Interestingly, it turn out that Hagoromo's sage mode is called a senjutsu of the six paths. Thus, I have been preaching that A Sage Of The Six Paths is a master of The Senjutsu of the six paths.
This being said, Naruto is the only remaining living Sage Of The Six Paths. This is my payment for all my effort.
