Uchiha Massacre Plot Confusion?

[irishboy9780]

Itachi was a ninja genius at the age of 6. He was a once in a generation ninja who was Powerful in his own right, and then give him MS? Not even a match for the rest of the clan. Then add onto that Obito and his MS- the guy who gave the 4 hokage fits. These are two of the most powerful akatsuki members teaming up to ambush an unsuspecting clan. The Uchihas were not fodder, they just couldn't fight two kage rank ninja's.

 

[NahRooToe]

Even with Obito's help. It's safe to assume that each "family" within the clan gets their own special eye technique, Shisui's tech, amerterasu,kamui,etc..

I'm sure there are tons of other eye techs we never got to see. I'm sure SOMEONE would have unlocked MS after seeing their clan being destroyed by itachi.

And don't reply with it was night time and they were expecting it, bullsht, They were planning to take over the leaf they probly had people on guard 24/7 in there

 

[NahRooToe]

Itachi was a ninja genius at the age of 6. He was a once in a generation ninja who was Powerful in his own right, and then give him MS? Not even a match for the rest of the clan. Then add onto that Obito and his MS- the guy who gave the 4 hokage fits. These are two of the most powerful akatsuki members teaming up to ambush an unsuspecting clan. The Uchihas were not fodder, they just couldn't fight two kage rank ninja's.

I don't know what Fight u read, But Obito got Wrecked by the 4th. The only reason he died was because of the circumstances, 1v1 equal fighting situations Obito would have gotten negged

 

[Umari Senju]

So if Obito's senju DNA played such a big part in his eyes, why did he never Unlock the rinnegan? Danzo had Senju DNA but he could only use Shisui's tech like once a blue moon. Senju DNA does not allow u to spam the hell out of Kamui and never ever show exhaustion.

You don't unlock the Rinnegan with Senju DNA. You unlock it with Ashura/Indra chakra. How many times must we go over this? Obito couldn't unlock the Rinnegan because he isn't an incarnate of Ashura or Indra. You need both Chakras in order to do it.

and Obito lost his eyes at least once we can count. When he fought Konan. He had to use Izanagi to escape her ocean of exploding tags. He also had a stash of Uchiha eyes to replace the ones he would use up.

As far as Kotoamatsukami (Shisui's Genjutsu) It is literally so strong that it takes ten years to recharge. That is why Danzo could only use it once. The Senju DNA only stems the curse of blindess but it still happens. Kotoamatsukami takes a really long time to recharge. Even with Senju DNA it would probably take like 5-8 years instead of 10 (just speculation on this not fact)

 

[irishboy9780]

I don't know what Fight u read, But Obito got Wrecked by the 4th. The only reason he died was because of the circumstances, 1v1 equal fighting situations Obito would have gotten negged

wrecked? Hardly fanboy. It was one hit. Go back and watch the fight, it's pretty evenly matched, a second or two in Obitos favor and he would have defeated minato.

The point still stands. Obito is a kage level ninja with MS, Uchiha common ninja had no way to deal with him.

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

So if Obito's senju DNA played such a big part in his eyes, why did he never Unlock the rinnegan? Danzo had Senju DNA but he could only use Shisui's tech like once a blue moon. Senju DNA does not allow u to spam the hell out of Kamui and never ever show exhaustion.

Because Indra chakra + Asura chakra = Rinnegan, not Senju & Uchiha

 

[NahRooToe]

My whole point to this thread is, Itachi, and I'll add Obito who were both young as hell, Destroyed the entire clan. I'm finding it Hard to believe that no one else in that clan Had MS.

Obito got it from watching Rin die, You mean to tell me no other Uchiha saw one of their companions die on the battle field? I understand Itachi was a genius,

but if Shisui > Itatchi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Itachi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Uchiha Clan

Right?

 

[NahRooToe]

wrecked? Hardly fanboy. It was one hit. Go back and watch the fight, it's pretty evenly matched, a second or two in Obitos favor and he would have defeated minato.

The point still stands. Obito is a kage level ninja with MS, Uchiha common ninja had no way to deal with him.

Minato took 0 Damage how is that even? Without Hashi's cells he'd be dead or armless lmao. Obito at that time was NO MATCH at all.

 

[irishboy9780]

My whole point to this thread is, Itachi, and I'll add Obito who were both young as hell, Destroyed the entire clan. I'm finding it Hard to believe that no one else in that clan Had MS.

Obito got it from watching Rin die, You mean to tell me no other Uchiha saw one of their companions die on the battle field? I understand Itachi was a genius,

but if Shisui > Itatchi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Itachi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Uchiha Clan

Right?

I don't know what you don't understand. The Uchiha were usually just police, where would they activate MS? Only the important Uchiha like itachi,shisui went out on missions which is how they got their MS. The rest of the clan was regulated to police duty,as such they had no where near the combat exp or the ability to unlock MS. Plus they were caught off guard in the middle of the night by two MS users. It was a butchering. They never stood a chance in hell.

 

[irishboy9780]

Minato took 0 Damage how is that even? Without Hashi's cells he'd be dead or armless lmao. Obito at that time was NO MATCH at all.

Bolded is irrelevant to the convo. We can play the take away a characters abilities game all you want. It doesn't change anything.

On to the fight- Minato even says its down to one strike. Minato just happened to be faster. 1 second in obitos favor and Minato loses. It was a toss up fight the entire time. Take off your rose tinted glasses.

 

[Umari Senju]

My whole point to this thread is, Itachi, and I'll add Obito who were both young as hell, Destroyed the entire clan. I'm finding it Hard to believe that no one else in that clan Had MS.

Obito got it from watching Rin die, You mean to tell me no other Uchiha saw one of their companions die on the battle field? I understand Itachi was a genius,

but if Shisui > Itatchi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Itachi

Then Danzo and a few fodders > Uchiha Clan

Right?

Again. It's not like Itachi and Obito openly challenged the entire clan. If they had, Itachi and Obito would have died there. It really isn't that hard to believe. They had the element of surprise. Thos who were awake died silently and quickly. Thanks to Obito's Kamui, he could end them and disappear before any of them could raise an alarm. All others were cut down in their sleep.

It is literally how ninjas work. Numbers and power mean nothing when you are not aware (or conscious) to see or fend off your attackers.

 

[To Whatever]

That speaks volumes about the murderers not the clan. Yeah they were that good.

Same could be said for the Senju and Uzumaki clan. We didn't even get to see what happened to them. They were one uped off panel.

Uzumaki were destroyed during war and I think the senju faded off due to them not caring who they had kids with. that or they were killed in a panel too.

 

[Umari Senju]

Uzumaki were destroyed during war and I think the senju faded off due to them not caring who they had kids with. that or they were killed in a panel too.

That's my point. We heard tale of what happened and maybe a panel or 2 of flashbacks, but mostly off panel stuff and speculation about the actual events.

With the Uchiha, they were taken out by the elite of their clan at night under the cover of darkness with no warning. That doesn't make them weak just unfortunate. History is littered with stories like this.

 

[To Whatever]

That's my point. We heard tale of what happened and maybe a panel or 2 of flashbacks, but mostly off panel stuff and speculation about the actual events.

With the Uchiha, they were taken out by the elite of their clan at night under the cover of darkness with no warning. That doesn't make them weak just unfortunate. History is littered with stories like this.

I'm not calling them weak. It's just that the fact that there were barely any resistance is terrible.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Even with Obito's help. It's safe to assume that each "family" within the clan gets their own special eye technique, Shisui's tech, amerterasu,kamui,etc..

I'm sure there are tons of other eye techs we never got to see. I'm sure SOMEONE would have unlocked MS after seeing their clan being destroyed by itachi.

And don't reply with it was night time and they were expecting it, bullsht, They were planning to take over the leaf they probly had people on guard 24/7 in there

Do you think even Naruto at the time could go up against Itachis Tsukuyomi! and Obitos Kamui! at the same time? If they both had the intent to kill?

Naruto himself would have lost because both Uchiha eyes would have cast him into Genjutsu and easily controlled the Kyuubi. But this is not about that...

The combination of the two would have been a bit too much for anybody. And Itachi was a Prodigy of his clan.

 

[Chaosmark101]

The entire clan was murdered by two kids.

In one night.

With little to no sign of resistance.

Obito wasn't a kid though. He was like 20 years old then

 

[salamander uchiha]

Yes the Uchiha Clan was fodder not only because of those reasons but because there were also manipulated by BZ into that Curse of Hatred. Mainly it was spamming the eye techniques that blinded the Uchiha. They have always needed extra power ups to beat the Senju like Madara needed Hashi's cells to awaken the Rinnegan and Sasuke needed all of the power ups he could get but still couldn't beat Naruto. Shisui's death was the most embarrassing because he got his eye stole away from him like a fodder. Obito got nerfed hard as a Juubi Jin. Itachi died from a disease was pretty bad as well because had he fought Sasuke at full force he would have beaten Hebi Sasuke. The Uchiha Clan were destined to lose ever since Hago passed on his will to Ashura and his descendants and the BZ rewriting the Stone Tablet to fool them made it worse. In short the Uchiha Clan is fodder. Like they had the strongest people but had to be nerfed hard as hell.

Also they were portrayed to be inferior to the Senju since Day 1.

That's one thing I never understood since asura was inferior to indra.

 

[NahRooToe]

Bolded is irrelevant to the convo. We can play the take away a characters abilities game all you want. It doesn't change anything.

On to the fight- Minato even says its down to one strike. Minato just happened to be faster. 1 second in obitos favor and Minato loses. It was a toss up fight the entire time. Take off your rose tinted glasses.

Tell me how a fight is considered even when 1 person took no damage even while protected a baby, while the other person almost lost an arm. Nothing was even about that fight. He said it was down to 1 strike, which minato indeed was much faster. Once again, at that time Obito was no match

 

[NahRooToe]

I don't know what you don't understand. The Uchiha were usually just police, where would they activate MS? Only the important Uchiha like itachi,shisui went out on missions which is how they got their MS. The rest of the clan was regulated to police duty,as such they had no where near the combat exp or the ability to unlock MS. Plus they were caught off guard in the middle of the night by two MS users. It was a butchering. They never stood a chance in hell.

I was under the impression that the Uchiha's got their MS from a tragic event.

Uchiha's went to the Ninja academy as well, I'm sure not every single Uchiha was forced to be police, Obito went on Missions and he failed at every exam and was late all the time. They still let him take on missions. So I'm SURE, there were Grown Men who at least unlocked the Sharigan in that clan who have had years more fighting experience than Obito and Itachi.

 

[NahRooToe]

Do you think even Naruto at the time could go up against Itachis Tsukuyomi! and Obitos Kamui! at the same time? If they both had the intent to kill?

Naruto himself would have lost because both Uchiha eyes would have cast him into Genjutsu and easily controlled the Kyuubi. But this is not about that...

The combination of the two would have been a bit too much for anybody. And Itachi was a Prodigy of his clan.

Itachi could not use tsukyuomi on every single person in the clan. We've only seen him use it on 1 person at a time, and we know he can't use it over and over.