[Discussion] Uchiha Madara - General Discussion and Related Questions, Topics, Theories, etc
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I love how Madara looks when he fights his dress style adds to it he's wearing something like Shogun armor.
Plus Kabuto is the master of trump cards for putting this guy together I mean obviously he was powerful in life but now; Edo Tensei body, Master of Uchiha and Senju Jutsu, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan + Rinnengan, Infinite Chakra, Nine tails Summoning (Even though it didn't work he can do it when it's not sealed.), physical abilities above what he was in the prime of his life.
The revamped Madara Uchiha Kabuto edition is the strongest character we've seen by far and away, unless we see someone as a new Juubi Jinchuuriki or we get to see the SO6P (doubtful on both, even if Naruto gets it he's to much of a good guy to keep all of that power, he'd probably split it into the Bijuu again and keep the Nine Tails.) I don't think we'll see anything stronger than this guy maybe Naruto and Sasuke will come close, Maybe 8th gate Guy will equal it so someone can seal him up while his form is unstable, maybe not I think Guy's our best shot though the 8th gate was said to be stronger than all the Kages combined according to Kakashi and New Madara just showed us that level so... Maybe, Maybe not
Plus Kabuto is the master of trump cards for putting this guy together I mean obviously he was powerful in life but now; Edo Tensei body, Master of Uchiha and Senju Jutsu, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan + Rinnengan, Infinite Chakra, Nine tails Summoning (Even though it didn't work he can do it when it's not sealed.), physical abilities above what he was in the prime of his life.
The revamped Madara Uchiha Kabuto edition is the strongest character we've seen by far and away, unless we see someone as a new Juubi Jinchuuriki or we get to see the SO6P (doubtful on both, even if Naruto gets it he's to much of a good guy to keep all of that power, he'd probably split it into the Bijuu again and keep the Nine Tails.) I don't think we'll see anything stronger than this guy maybe Naruto and Sasuke will come close, Maybe 8th gate Guy will equal it so someone can seal him up while his form is unstable, maybe not I think Guy's our best shot though the 8th gate was said to be stronger than all the Kages combined according to Kakashi and New Madara just showed us that level so... Maybe, Maybe not
Hey: I have a theory what happened after the fight with Hashi.
Madara died in the real world. But his Clan did not organize a proper funeral or jutsu which is needed for an Uchiha soul to cross the lines finally.
That is why Madara was trapped between the two worlds. He got mad at his clan and therefore helped Itachi / or sended Tobi to help for the massacre. (There is a slight chance that the Uchiha are still living in the world between and that is where Sasuke and Oro are currently heading. When Oro was absorbed by Kabuto maybe he was also in this in-beetwen world)
Madara died in the real world. But his Clan did not organize a proper funeral or jutsu which is needed for an Uchiha soul to cross the lines finally.
That is why Madara was trapped between the two worlds. He got mad at his clan and therefore helped Itachi / or sended Tobi to help for the massacre. (There is a slight chance that the Uchiha are still living in the world between and that is where Sasuke and Oro are currently heading. When Oro was absorbed by Kabuto maybe he was also in this in-beetwen world)
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How did he survive to meet Obito? Gedo Mazo
Who killed him and how? Overuse of Chakra using Creation of All Things (i think) to make black zetsu.
What are his goals? Eye of the moon/world domination with juubi
What entails the future for him? Will Obito revive him with the Paths powers to release him definitively from the Edo Tensei form? No
What did he do after fighting Hashirama? Fly to the moon to get the gedo mazo.
Who killed him and how? Overuse of Chakra using Creation of All Things (i think) to make black zetsu.
What are his goals? Eye of the moon/world domination with juubi
What entails the future for him? Will Obito revive him with the Paths powers to release him definitively from the Edo Tensei form? No
What did he do after fighting Hashirama? Fly to the moon to get the gedo mazo.
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Theory on why madara is so ****ing powerful
Kabuto and oro made an assumption about the stone uchiha tablet, that not only entails information about the sosp and juubi, but I think it may have told where the sosp body was buried
Kabuto, somehow learned where the sosp's body was and, used to revive madara(somehow, because you need a body to "call the soul back to the impure world"). We know he already looked at the tablet and made some theroy's about it, like how the sharingan can evolve to the rinnegan
Even if the sosp spilt the juubi's chakra into 9 pieces(the tailed beasts) his body would still be overloaded with immense chakra from all those years with the rinnegan and the juubi, it may not have even decayed, so kabuto could use it like it was a living person
if you don't believe me,
think about this, Madara gave away his eyes.....then died... how would he get his eyes back? Unless edo tensei restores the body back to its best state its ever been in(which is doubtful since it wasn't that way for every other resurrected body) how would madara have the rinningan again? and how would he have "endless" chakra? the other edo's if I remember were strong but not that crazy,
kabuto must have done something special in madara's case, and using the sosp's body would certainly do the trick, and would be better than using the rinne tensei to revive him, since he would be alive and therefore lose chakra over time like everyone else
and ^ that is also why obito isn't using the rinne tensei,
they both have the rinnegan, so why wouldn't obito use it on madara? Because madara is more powerful now they he would be alive.
Kabuto and oro made an assumption about the stone uchiha tablet, that not only entails information about the sosp and juubi, but I think it may have told where the sosp body was buried
Kabuto, somehow learned where the sosp's body was and, used to revive madara(somehow, because you need a body to "call the soul back to the impure world"). We know he already looked at the tablet and made some theroy's about it, like how the sharingan can evolve to the rinnegan
Even if the sosp spilt the juubi's chakra into 9 pieces(the tailed beasts) his body would still be overloaded with immense chakra from all those years with the rinnegan and the juubi, it may not have even decayed, so kabuto could use it like it was a living person
if you don't believe me,
think about this, Madara gave away his eyes.....then died... how would he get his eyes back? Unless edo tensei restores the body back to its best state its ever been in(which is doubtful since it wasn't that way for every other resurrected body) how would madara have the rinningan again? and how would he have "endless" chakra? the other edo's if I remember were strong but not that crazy,
kabuto must have done something special in madara's case, and using the sosp's body would certainly do the trick, and would be better than using the rinne tensei to revive him, since he would be alive and therefore lose chakra over time like everyone else
and ^ that is also why obito isn't using the rinne tensei,
they both have the rinnegan, so why wouldn't obito use it on madara? Because madara is more powerful now they he would be alive.
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to the people wondering why he isn't being revied with rinne tensei
Remember, the entire village was resurrected with the rinne tensei, kakashi for example. And he loses chakra, so why would madara shrink to kakashi/everyone's level? Simple, that would be downgrading.
Remember, the entire village was resurrected with the rinne tensei, kakashi for example. And he loses chakra, so why would madara shrink to kakashi/everyone's level? Simple, that would be downgrading.
I have serious questions about Madara, but before that, I don't get why some people believe Madara did NOT give Nagato his Rinnegan? As of Manga Chapter 606, it has been clearly stated that Madara transplanted his eyes on Nagato, Zetsu says that Nagato himself didn't even notice. As for how he did that, I still wonder.
When it comes to Madara's existence, I have so many, and I repeat SO MANY questions. The first one being a HUGE contradiction I hope somebody here or Kishimoto himself makes clear to me: Just what makes it possible for Kabuto to bring Madara back from the dead, and not someone like Jiraiya, who died way sooner? I thought there was some sort of restriction regarding the state of the DNA sources that one could use to perform a successful Edo Tensei. Say, in Kabuto's demonstration to Obito, he used Fuu's blood to bring back Torune, the blood being the DNA right? So how in the HELL did Kabuto gain ANY source of DNA from Madara?
I was thinking that maybe Obito would be saving some parts of Madara's DNA, but as they themselves have stated, the plan was for Obito to use Gedou Rinne Tensei to bring Madara back, so what would he save that DNA for? Furthermore, there is the issue with Madara's young appereance. Why would he look like he's 30 when he died being way older than that? Isn't Edo Tensei supposed to bring you back in the same way you were while dying? And this has me very frustrated because ever since Kishimoto's fiasco with Obito's flashback (the so-expected explanation to why was he so adult-like when the Kyuubi event happened in Konoha, seeing as he would only be 14 according to canon timeline), I somehow get the feeling that Madara's reason for looking so young is probably something very stupid.
Anyhow, Madara's looks per se are not so much of an issue for me compared to the fact that his Edo Tensei is the one that twists this technique's restrictions the most. I mean, come on. You can bring Hizashi, or Salamander Hanzou, or Kimimaro, or many other characters with 2 years or more being dead, and even then I wouldn't give a shit if you just made it SLIGHTLY logical. But Madara's case is just too much for me to ignore. He really needs to explain how did Kabuto manage to do this, and let's not talk about Kinkaku and Ginkaku (whose death was BEFORE Madara's, and yet they were back from the land of the dead as easy as pie), a topic way more frustratingly hard to understand than Madara.
Why did he save Obito? More than clear. We can guess the reason for Madara's actions by merely looking at Obito. Obito's like another version of Madara. He doesn't give a shit about anything, he doesn't need any friends or allies, he doesn't need any love, he doesn't need anything. He just does what he wants, what he's planning, and uses anything or anyone he might need to use for his own purposes. That alone makes me think that Obito had Akatsuki as his pawns, and Obito himself was Madara's pawn all along. Quite against this, though, is the fact that they couldn't use Nagato for reviving Madara, and now he has to rely in Obito to be brought back. Ergo, Madara ends up being Obito's bitch... For now.
May I also mention that so far, from all the "villains" we've had, both Madara and Obito are making me wish I was a girl, and a fangirl at that. Call me gay ot whatever, but I have a mancrush in them. The way they belittle EVERYTHING others do, the way they see them as mere flies, weak flies, the way they laugh and mock people for their incompetence... This is what I enjoy as a villain. Madara's attitude against the Five Kages was just like an eye-gasm for me. And then the way Obito had his mask blown and Kakashi broke emotionally at seeing him was another eye-gasm. I'm loving the manga right now. I wish Kishimoto was a little more concerned with the little details (which is the reason why Eiichiro Oda surpasses him), although I am also aware that I could be perfectly wrong, and my understanding of the Manga could not be as good as I think it is. But oh, well... I hope I can get more of BOSS-mode Madara and Obito.
When it comes to Madara's existence, I have so many, and I repeat SO MANY questions. The first one being a HUGE contradiction I hope somebody here or Kishimoto himself makes clear to me: Just what makes it possible for Kabuto to bring Madara back from the dead, and not someone like Jiraiya, who died way sooner? I thought there was some sort of restriction regarding the state of the DNA sources that one could use to perform a successful Edo Tensei. Say, in Kabuto's demonstration to Obito, he used Fuu's blood to bring back Torune, the blood being the DNA right? So how in the HELL did Kabuto gain ANY source of DNA from Madara?
I was thinking that maybe Obito would be saving some parts of Madara's DNA, but as they themselves have stated, the plan was for Obito to use Gedou Rinne Tensei to bring Madara back, so what would he save that DNA for? Furthermore, there is the issue with Madara's young appereance. Why would he look like he's 30 when he died being way older than that? Isn't Edo Tensei supposed to bring you back in the same way you were while dying? And this has me very frustrated because ever since Kishimoto's fiasco with Obito's flashback (the so-expected explanation to why was he so adult-like when the Kyuubi event happened in Konoha, seeing as he would only be 14 according to canon timeline), I somehow get the feeling that Madara's reason for looking so young is probably something very stupid.
Anyhow, Madara's looks per se are not so much of an issue for me compared to the fact that his Edo Tensei is the one that twists this technique's restrictions the most. I mean, come on. You can bring Hizashi, or Salamander Hanzou, or Kimimaro, or many other characters with 2 years or more being dead, and even then I wouldn't give a shit if you just made it SLIGHTLY logical. But Madara's case is just too much for me to ignore. He really needs to explain how did Kabuto manage to do this, and let's not talk about Kinkaku and Ginkaku (whose death was BEFORE Madara's, and yet they were back from the land of the dead as easy as pie), a topic way more frustratingly hard to understand than Madara.
Why did he save Obito? More than clear. We can guess the reason for Madara's actions by merely looking at Obito. Obito's like another version of Madara. He doesn't give a shit about anything, he doesn't need any friends or allies, he doesn't need any love, he doesn't need anything. He just does what he wants, what he's planning, and uses anything or anyone he might need to use for his own purposes. That alone makes me think that Obito had Akatsuki as his pawns, and Obito himself was Madara's pawn all along. Quite against this, though, is the fact that they couldn't use Nagato for reviving Madara, and now he has to rely in Obito to be brought back. Ergo, Madara ends up being Obito's bitch... For now.
May I also mention that so far, from all the "villains" we've had, both Madara and Obito are making me wish I was a girl, and a fangirl at that. Call me gay ot whatever, but I have a mancrush in them. The way they belittle EVERYTHING others do, the way they see them as mere flies, weak flies, the way they laugh and mock people for their incompetence... This is what I enjoy as a villain. Madara's attitude against the Five Kages was just like an eye-gasm for me. And then the way Obito had his mask blown and Kakashi broke emotionally at seeing him was another eye-gasm. I'm loving the manga right now. I wish Kishimoto was a little more concerned with the little details (which is the reason why Eiichiro Oda surpasses him), although I am also aware that I could be perfectly wrong, and my understanding of the Manga could not be as good as I think it is. But oh, well... I hope I can get more of BOSS-mode Madara and Obito.
I don't know how accurate this is, but I don't believe having Madara's DNA should be that difficult, for he was alive in the same time as the First Hokage and Orochimaru was able to revive him. Also, Madara did say he died, i believe that the "in-between" world where Obito meets him is merely his soul that Obito talks to. Kabuto I believe said the body Madara is using a special impure world resurrection, completed beyond he was in his prime, or what Kabuto and Orochimaru believed to be his prime, which explains his young age. So Madara has in fact a corpse in the real world, which is grave robbed by Orochimaru/Kabuto, while Obito meets spirit Madara in the world with the Gedo Mezo and zetsus. I don't believe this is too insane as spirit Kakashi talked to spirit Mr. Hatake while Kakashi's body was laying among rubble during the Pain arc, if that serves as a good example of what happened?
As to obito, the Hashirama cells seem to be similar to skin graphs, and while Madara was dead (which is why he needed Obito as a pawn because he can't enter the real world), Obito never really died, so he can reenter the physical world and keep aging. This also explains why he would die if they used the bijuu dama without covering themselves with the tails beforehand.
I hope this explanation is believable or satisfies any part of those questions...
also, I totally agree, they are by far the best villains so far!
As to obito, the Hashirama cells seem to be similar to skin graphs, and while Madara was dead (which is why he needed Obito as a pawn because he can't enter the real world), Obito never really died, so he can reenter the physical world and keep aging. This also explains why he would die if they used the bijuu dama without covering themselves with the tails beforehand.
I hope this explanation is believable or satisfies any part of those questions...
also, I totally agree, they are by far the best villains so far!
hmm... the man died later than everyone else thought. Nothing fancy about that, though it would be interesting to know what he was doing all that time between his fight with Hashirama and when he found Obito. Also, how did he get the eye he had, did he have more (it sounded like that to me) and how he met with a very young Nagato. I am assuming he used this armour-like Zetsu and could go out on occasions, sth like portable life-support.
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okay lets just get some points straight. Madara Uchiha:
-Survived the battle with first hokage.
-Has the rinnegan and gave it to nagato somehow.
-Saved obito from dying.
-created zetsu from GedoMazo
-has Hashiramas cells(which seems to be the naruto version of AIDS)
now in my opinion, he is unbeatable unless they seal him somehow. Right no, as we left them, him and obito got disconnected from the juubi by lee's kick (awesome by the way) and narutos Fuuton: rasen-shuriken. Sasuke is going to most probably end up on the battlefield because of that scroll orochimaru has. So now the two questions remain. 1. How will the Alliance defeat/seal Madara. 2. Can what ever lies in that scrool stop the juubi? and okay maybe a thrid question. 3. Will naruto ed up stopping the juubi? what do you think? any answers?
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