Uchiha 2nd rate

[twistedlink3]

So when So6P had two sons, one inherited body (senju) the other inherited spirit (Uchiha)

Senju won over power waaay back then, then loads of wars occured, and senju and uchiha formed Konoha, where Uchiha was gradually put to one side, then used by danzou and set up to be murderous people when it was just his prejudice.

Naruto is obviously going to win, aka, Senju win, again.

Is it just me or have Uchiha been screwed over from day 1?

They deserve some time in power tbh, its kinda strange how Kishi writes the Uchiha being awesome clan of fighters with pretty much the most OP'd bloodlimit ever yet there success rate is 0%, and they get trod on entirely throughout their history, without a single fact or hint as to how any of the senju technically got around the Sharingan.

Am I the only one that finds that annoying??

Kishi has written about sharingan to death yet all senju we know have showed absolutely NO "anti sharingan" technique, yet senju PWNED uchiha so they must have some way around sharingan.

 

[apple pie of doom]

Yeah I always wondered about that.
So far it seems EMS pwns everything, but fore some reason a senju can beat it?
I haven't seen anything to counter it so far, safe for another sharingan.

 

[Ham]

Either its a major plot hole or Hashirama was just *that* good.

 

[sgt]

Yeah I always wondered about that.
So far it seems EMS pwns everything, but fore some reason a senju can beat it?
I haven't seen anything to counter it so far, safe for another sharingan.

actually the first EMS was obtained by madara and he got raped by hashirama.
Then later on after the first died, he used it against konoha with kyuubi again, this time he failed again because the 4th, although yondaime admitted that u need some special powers to beat madara...


secondly, sasuke got the EMS now.. but it's never mentioned before that the EMS pwns everything.. we so far know without a reason that it got beaten twice..once by raw power and then by self sacrificing to seal the kyuubi... he could also attack konoha on his own if EMS is THAT powerfull after yondaime sealed the fox..

apperently the EMS is NOT that uber

also a point to Ham's post:

Either its a major plot hole or Hashirama was just *that* good.

if yondaime was praised as once in a decade genius and beeing praised for beeing that powerfull and yet he admits that madara outmatched him in every possible way then yes, hashirama was just THAT good.. i can't find any other explanation.

 

[Amat3ra5u]

yeah its really anoying..
i cant see how a senju can get pass ems or ms...
their should be a gaiden on the first and madara fight
to explain alot of shit...or maybe he cant?
and welcome back twistedlink... gonna start annihilating these senju
fanboys again.

 

[Mino]

hmmm I belive that the uchiha and the senju are going to destroy each other..

 

[Ham]

hmmm I belive that the uchiha and the senju are going to destroy each other..

What... Tsunade v/s Madara?

 

[Regulus]

I think that the senju have a inate ability to win against the sharingan through the body of the SO6P. Such that their body acts like barrier against the sharingan

 

[wahmad4u]

No i dont agree ... Uchiha are badass . Bcz so far every one was afraid of them. Evan when it come to destroy uchiha clan it needed two of the best uchihas . OrO lose to sasuke and itachi just bcz of sharingan . so did Deidra .
Evan killer bee escaped from sasuke. SO far except Madara we havent seen an uchiha lost by other .

Then Again As Itachi said Madara is a sole loser and Hashirame and Minato Proved that. Now for Sasuke Except naruto there is none to evan stand against him. And if it havent been for kyubi Evan naruto would not stand .

SO uchiha are Badasssxd

 

[Kabu2]

Two things I would like to clear up.

First of all, it was stated by both Itachi and Madara that the Uchiha Clan was an extremely powerful clan. However, whereas Itachi called Madara the strongest shinobi of that time, Madara stated that it was Hashirama who was at the top of the world. I believe that the latter may be correct, as he has nothing to achieve by lying that either Hashirama or he would be stronger, plus he personally battled him time and time again, won battles, lost and tied, and being his rival, would know best his powers, his strengths and weaknesses.

Itachi, on the other hand, was as we all know, pretending to be evil and boastful in front of Sasuke. Plus, even if he believed Madara was the strongest, had he actually ever witnessed Hashirama's power? Plus, if Hashirama's own rival admits inferiority, then shouldn't we take his word?

However, on the whole I believe the clans were equals in power. People have this weird misconception that the Senju were much balanced, diverse fighters whereas the Uchiha were not, and specialized only in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Katons. However, this couldn't be farther from the truth.

The Uchihas themselves, with the aid of the Three-Tomoe Sharingan, which even the youngest warriors wielded then at ages possibly even younger than Sasuke in Part I, would have been quite good at Taijutsu thanks to their Sharingan allowing them to copy powerful, non Kekkei Genkai-based physical techniques and predict movements better. Also, their Sharingan has been stated time and time again to have the ability to copy and learn jutsu easily, even of different Elements. We know already about their Ninjutsu ability. In other words, the Uchihas were just as balanced as the Senju, maybe they simply gave Ninjutsu and Genjutsu a higher priority, but this isn't to say they were only so good at those fields and not that well-rounded.

I don't see the point of this thread. The Senju were not superior to Uchiha. The latter were segregated by not only the Nidaime Hokage, Tobirama, but therefore even the entire village in a way, therefore they had no choice but to give in, although they tried time and time again to break out, and ultimately resorted to trying to take over.

Yes, Hashirama indeed defeated Madara, and this feat alone puts him in Madara's tier, most probably even stronger than him. However, other than them, the clans were equal, pound for pound, overall.

 

[ArizonaMan11]

How can u guys say ems owns everything. We never seen it used only heard about it and the guy with it lost lol

 

[Suigetsu Hozuki Mist Boy]

Major plothole in my opinion

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

So when So6P had two sons, one inherited body (senju) the other inherited spirit (Uchiha)

Senju won over power waaay back then, then loads of wars occured, and senju and uchiha formed Konoha, where Uchiha was gradually put to one side, then used by danzou and set up to be murderous people when it was just his prejudice.

Naruto is obviously going to win, aka, Senju win, again.

Is it just me or have Uchiha been screwed over from day 1?

They deserve some time in power tbh, its kinda strange how Kishi writes the Uchiha being awesome clan of fighters with pretty much the most OP'd bloodlimit ever yet there success rate is 0%, and they get trod on entirely throughout their history, without a single fact or hint as to how any of the senju technically got around the Sharingan.

Am I the only one that finds that annoying??

Kishi has written about sharingan to death yet all senju we know have showed absolutely NO "anti sharingan" technique, yet senju PWNED uchiha so they must have some way around sharingan.

Personally, I like the Uchiha's. They have a badass bloodline, and they look kinda like the Saiyans and all that blah blah blah.

They started the series off a lot weaker, because it was just Sasuke and Kakashi with the Sharingan, then we hear about the badass Uchiha clan which was dead BEFORE THE SERIES STARTED. Then we had Itachi, who was badass, then died of an illness. Then powerless Madara who tamed the Kyuubi like a pet.

They should have started out with all of them alive or something, and amidst the Akatsuki crisis, they decide to become baddies and disrupt the village. THEN get beat. At least then they'd have some dignity at this point.

Personally though, I like the Senju better because I like the idea of the younger brothers physical energy being a trait. It could have so many interpretations as to what that affected.

 

[psukkar]

How the hell is this a plot hole. Madara lost both times with the fox, I enjoy this fact alot.AND we don't know anything part from wood jutsu regarding thr first hokage. Face it he's epic. Simple everyone at the time said hes epic and Madara said it where's plot hole. DON"T forgot the senju inherited the other half of the So6p powers(will and body).

Madara in the end acted ALONE(this why he failed) and decided to overthrow Konoha and lost.
There was no evidence shown that the First was gonna make the Uchiha lap dogs.

Madara acted so Konoha acted then the whole Uchiha police thing started to stop any more mutiny like Madara. There would have been a high chance that would have not been any mutiny without Madara as he was only one against the truce.

Madara the pinhead he is wanted to stir things up again. He attacked the village again and as a result framed the clan. Konoha acted again, they started to suspect an Uchiha as they though Madara was dead. They segregated them from the village.
What would you have done, given him chocolates instead? Someone with the sharingan killed the forth hokage this is a VERY serious crime. And well then came the massacre when they couldn't any info as which Uchhia did it. So Itachi starting hes wiping spree and Madara ofcouse he loved it, it what he wanted to kill the Uchia. I can't believe Sasuke somehow doesn't realize that even if Itachi didn't kill his parents, Madara would have anyway.

Madara is a coward to me and a bad sore loser, just like how the older son of the So6P attacked his younger brother for picking him as the successor. Sasuke in my opinion is very different from Madara when it comes to motivations, they are more about love for him clan and family. Just wait when he realizes Madara has been framing the clan ever since he first attack the village. There's gona be some serious dislike there.

 

[Emperor]

So when So6P had two sons, one inherited body (senju) the other inherited spirit (Uchiha)

Senju won over power waaay back then, then loads of wars occured, and senju and uchiha formed Konoha, where Uchiha was gradually put to one side, then used by danzou and set up to be murderous people when it was just his prejudice.

Naruto is obviously going to win, aka, Senju win, again.

Is it just me or have Uchiha been screwed over from day 1?

They deserve some time in power tbh, its kinda strange how Kishi writes the Uchiha being awesome clan of fighters with pretty much the most OP'd bloodlimit ever yet there success rate is 0%, and they get trod on entirely throughout their history, without a single fact or hint as to how any of the senju technically got around the Sharingan.

Am I the only one that finds that annoying??

Kishi has written about sharingan to death yet all senju we know have showed absolutely NO "anti sharingan" technique, yet senju PWNED uchiha so they must have some way around sharingan.

Tbh, this seems a waste of time.

Of course, Naruto will win, because obviously he is the hero. O_O

But the Uchiha have not been trodden on. They were equal in power to the Senjus. And yes, the Senju could beat the Sharingan - after all, it isn't *every* Uchiha ninja that was higher than two or three tomoe.
If you're good enough, you can still beat an Uchiha with a two or three tomoe, as we saw Zabuza beat Kakashi even without the mist stopping the Sharingan in their first encounter.

And yes, Hashirama must have been really awesome to defeat the EMS and Madara in his prime.

 

[Ham]

Tbh, this seems a waste of time.

Of course, Naruto will win, because obviously he is the hero. O_O

But the Uchiha have not been trodden on. They were equal in power to the Senjus. And yes, the Senju could beat the Sharingan - after all, it isn't *every* Uchiha ninja that was higher than two or three tomoe.
If you're good enough, you can still beat an Uchiha with a two or three tomoe, as we saw Zabuza beat Kakashi even without the mist stopping the Sharingan in their first encounter.

And yes, Hashirama must have been really awesome to defeat the EMS and Madara in his prime.

Which raises the question of why they call the fourth as the strongest of the Hokage's.

 

[twistedlink3]

Okay to explain how EMS would own everything

1.We know Sasuke with EMS would be able to use his techniques over and over and remain with PERFECT eye sight
2.We know Sasuke can use around 15 MS techs (15 EMS then) in a fight and not get very tired at all
3.It takes someone on danzous level to beat his genjutsu, while Sasukes genjutsu is crap compared to Itachis, its still vastly more powerful than any other standard genjutsu
4.Amaterasu which Itachi showed to make massive amounts in his fight with sasuke and set the entire giant battlefield alight could be done on a higher scale because Sasukes Amaterasu is better than Itachis.
5.Susanoo fully formed now, which owned even Danzous capabilities into the ground and protected Sasuke from any offensive move.
6.Sasukes Chakra capacity is ever growing.

Senjus have

1.Raw strength (cant beat any of those techs logically)
2.commitment and strong will (cant beat any of those techs logically)
3.One could make wood (Dont see how that can beat those techs, if anything wood should be super vulnerable to amaterasu.


We have seen how sharingan works, we have heard characters like chiyo say "if your alone against an uchiha sharingan user, run, if you have a friend, get them to run chakra through you" and Kakashi said "with regular sharingan yes, with MS, its different"

Yet KB ran 8tails chakra through to stop sasukes MS genjutsu, as chiyo stated, meaning Kakashi was wrong despite being the 3rd most knowledgable character of MS considering he has the damn thing, or yet another plothole (Plothole for me)

Anyway I digress.

We have deidara completely fail against standard sharingan, and he was akatsuki level. Deidara wasnt anything brilliant, when compared to other akatsuki members, he probably was lower tier, but he was still S class easily, and he lost against a standard sharingan.

Everywhere we go we see Uchiha owning absolutely everything in sight, yet as soon as a senju gets involved they get OWNED entirely by the senju, with no other reason than "because"

We dont know how the 1st defeated Madara but he did, despite all these unavoidable uncancelable techniques we keep hearing about, lol.

If Kishi had shown a few anti sharingan techs, techs to cancel amaterasu, tsukyomi, and attack and hurt susanoo, then sure, id realise how the 1st did it, but right now all we know that was special about the 1st was he can make wood, big deal.

Maybe its all about the bijuu, and that having a bijuu stops the genjutsu, like KB did, but it begs the question as to how you stop the other techs, plus EMS gives you ANOTHER tech, which im sure Sasuke will love spamming with his infinite chakra content he now has.

I just wanty an explanation as to why Uchihas show dominant techniques yet for a good century or two have been driven into the dirt with every single fight for power by the senju.

So6P must have been very biased, because he appears to have made senju stronger, this is a fact because no Uchiha has beaten a senju in any important battle, yet the entire 11 years of writing is "Sharingan cant be dodged this, sharingan cant be cancelled that, oh and this dude who owned them all made some wood, how amazing"

lol, it makes no sense.

 

[psukkar]

Okay to explain how EMS would own everything

1.We know Sasuke with EMS would be able to use his techniques over and over and remain with PERFECT eye sight
2.We know Sasuke can use around 15 MS techs (15 EMS then) in a fight and not get very tired at all
3.It takes someone on danzous level to beat his genjutsu, while Sasukes genjutsu is crap compared to Itachis, its still vastly more powerful than any other standard genjutsu
4.Amaterasu which Itachi showed to make massive amounts in his fight with sasuke and set the entire giant battlefield alight could be done on a higher scale because Sasukes Amaterasu is better than Itachis.
5.Susanoo fully formed now, which owned even Danzous capabilities into the ground and protected Sasuke from any offensive move.
6.Sasukes Chakra capacity is ever growing.

Senjus have

1.Raw strength (cant beat any of those techs logically)
2.commitment and strong will (cant beat any of those techs logically)
3.One could make wood (Dont see how that can beat those techs, if anything wood should be super vulnerable to amaterasu.


We have seen how sharingan works, we have heard characters like chiyo say "if your alone against an uchiha sharingan user, run, if you have a friend, get them to run chakra through you" and Kakashi said "with regular sharingan yes, with MS, its different"

Yet KB ran 8tails chakra through to stop sasukes MS genjutsu, as chiyo stated, meaning Kakashi was wrong despite being the 3rd most knowledgable character of MS considering he has the damn thing, or yet another plothole (Plothole for me)

Anyway I digress.

We have deidara completely fail against standard sharingan, and he was akatsuki level. Deidara wasnt anything brilliant, when compared to other akatsuki members, he probably was lower tier, but he was still S class easily, and he lost against a standard sharingan.

Everywhere we go we see Uchiha owning absolutely everything in sight, yet as soon as a senju gets involved they get OWNED entirely by the senju, with no other reason than "because"

We dont know how the 1st defeated Madara but he did, despite all these unavoidable uncancelable techniques we keep hearing about, lol.

If Kishi had shown a few anti sharingan techs, techs to cancel amaterasu, tsukyomi, and attack and hurt susanoo, then sure, id realise how the 1st did it, but right now all we know that was special about the 1st was he can make wood, big deal.

Maybe its all about the bijuu, and that having a bijuu stops the genjutsu, like KB did, but it begs the question as to how you stop the other techs, plus EMS gives you ANOTHER tech, which im sure Sasuke will love spamming with his infinite chakra content he now has.

I just wanty an explanation as to why Uchihas show dominant techniques yet for a good century or two have been driven into the dirt with every single fight for power by the senju.

So6P must have been very biased, because he appears to have made senju stronger, this is a fact because no Uchiha has beaten a senju in any important battle, yet the entire 11 years of writing is "Sharingan cant be dodged this, sharingan cant be cancelled that, oh and this dude who owned them all made some wood, how amazing"

lol, it makes no sense.

Not sure as to why you are shocked to hear the first hokage beat Madara.
I have no idea how he did this but he did(i have nice thread on this)

Anyway they were rivals. EMS isn't stated to give more chakra or anything just eternal sight. And on top of the 3 techniques, according to Itachi you get another when you gain EMS. So basically a lot guys are tired of seeing the sharingan own with hax techs so naturally alot of guys were delighted(me aswell) to see Madara(Uchiha's best) get beaten for a change. And there was only one fight shown between the senju and uchiha, if there were more we mind actually know what the senju can do. Plus were are slowly seeing how you can deal with those sharingan techs from the encounters sasuke had with the raikage/killer bee.

Senju inherited the So6P's Body, life force and physical energy
Uchiha inherited the So6P's Eyes, Chakras and spiritual energy
(This is whats in the manga word for word, but there's seems to be something off. As how can you get chakra without the physical energy. Chakra is made up of physical and spirtual energy. Madara said this and I think hes a pinhead)

Senju had powers too dude. We just have no idea what they are to combat all the techniques we've seen of the sharingan so far, half of part 2 was dedicated to the sasuke and the sharingan. So ofcouse we don;t know what the senju can do, but I'm sure it will be revealed when Madara starts fighting for real.

Ultimately you can blame Madara for the Uchiha current states its in. Senju didn't initiate anything apart the truce, then Madara decided UPON HIMSELF they were going to screw the Uchiha. Until there's any evidence to the contrary this stands.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Tbh, this seems a waste of time.

Of course, Naruto will win, because obviously he is the hero. O_O

But the Uchiha have not been trodden on. They were equal in power to the Senjus. And yes, the Senju could beat the Sharingan - after all, it isn't *every* Uchiha ninja that was higher than two or three tomoe.
If you're good enough, you can still beat an Uchiha with a two or three tomoe, as we saw Zabuza beat Kakashi even without the mist stopping the Sharingan in their first encounter.

And yes, Hashirama must have been really awesome to defeat the EMS and Madara in his prime.

I don't know about that Zabuza thing. Yes, Naruto saved Kakashi's ass, then Kakashi owned Zabuza and then Haku had to save his ass, which made it even.

2nd encounter, Kakashi got sliced, then pretty much fought Zabuza by himself and took BOTH his arms out. In the ninja world, no arms = death. Orochimaru was the exception.

 

[~Rerrando~]

Not sure as to why you are shocked to hear the first hokage beat Madara.
I have no idea how he did this but he did(i have nice thread on this)

Anyway they were rivals. EMS isn't stated to give more chakra or anything just eternal sight. And on top of the 3 techniques, according to Itachi you get another when you gain EMS. So basically a lot guys are tired of seeing the sharingan own with hax techs so naturally alot of guys were delighted(me aswell) to see Madara(Uchiha's best) get beaten for a change. And there was only one fight shown between the senju and uchiha, if there were more we mind actually know what the senju can do. Plus were are slowly seeing how you can deal with those sharingan techs from the encounters sasuke had with the raikage/killer bee.

Senju inherited the So6P's Body, life force and physical energy
Uchiha inherited the So6P's Eyes, Chakras and spiritual energy
(This is whats in the manga word for word, but there's seems to be something off. As how can you get chakra without the physical energy. Chakra is made up of physical and spirtual energy. Madara said this and I think hes a pinhead)

Senju had powers too dude. We just have no idea what they are to combat all the techniques we've seen of the sharingan so far, half of part 2 was dedicated to the sasuke and the sharingan. So ofcouse we don;t know what the senju can do, but I'm sure it will be revealed when Madara starts fighting for real.

Ultimately you can blame Madara for the Uchiha current states its in. Senju didn't initiate anything apart the truce, then Madara decided UPON HIMSELF they were going to screw the Uchiha. Until there's any evidence to the contrary this stands.

Madara only help Itachi kill them because they betrayed him. He knew no matter they would/could do they would al ways be under lock and key so when he wanted to revolt they betrayed him and he left. Many years later they relized he was right and tried to plan a cuop d' etat and he help rid the world of them becuz they azz holes.........the Uchiha clan deserved