Tupac is overrated.

[Callypigia]

What i got from that is , how can you hate rap as a whole when its, sometimes, an embodiment of feeling and emotions of the writer and the people he gets it from(you) hence the indirectly hating yourself part . To say you just hate rap as a whole is pretty harsh . I mean not all rap songs have meaning but when they do its almost like you're showing zero respect for people who actually put soul into their work because you've been exposed to a couple bad rap songs on mainstream radio .

With the exception of maybe a few Eminem songs I have no emotional reaction to a rap song other than saying, "hey this is sort of a nice beat." I'm sure there are genres of music you don't relate to. Just because I picked on yours doesn't mean you're right. As I said before music is subjective. I just don't like it.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I wasn't a fan of him but I thought he accomplished what he was trying to do artistically.

But as a whole Hip Hop consists of very little actual music more so now than ever, the rappers are wordsmiths but not music artists, they don't even make there owns beats. It's all rhythm with like a melodic riff on loop.

So it's all a bit overrated but I still enjoy a good amount of it. Biggie more so.

 

[King Kendrick]

With the exception of maybe a few Eminem songs I have no emotional reaction to a rap song other than saying, "hey this is sort of a nice beat." I'm sure there are genres of music you don't relate to. Just because I picked on yours doesn't mean you're right. As I said before music is subjective. I just don't like it.

Dont relate to it ?? You trying to sate the obvious ? I don't relate to some music ( barely though, i only don't relate to music about money and cars blah blah ) But here's what you said

I think all rap is the death of musicianship

I would never say that because whether you like it or not that's disrespect to people who put hard work into their rhymes .

And gtfo with ," because i picked on your type of music." You dont know me , for all you know i hate rap . Im arguing you for something entirely different not because ," you picked on my music ".

 

[Punk Hazard]

Instead of attempting to be condescending and witty try arguing your point. I'm not saying there aren't a few exceptions, but break down rap into lyrics and music. Lyrically most of it panders to the lowest common denominator, glorifying violence, misogyny, poverty, vanity, drugs, de-emphasis on education, etc. Musically it lacks any real musicianship. Sampling and drum programming are not hard. I can be impressed by some rappers who talk fast, but most are sluggish and can't enunciate their words.

I see you mostly listen to the radio. First of all, every genre samples. That is not something that is found only in rap. Did you make your sig? Actually, whether or not you did isn't important to my next argument. You speak of sampling as though it is bad; sampling is taking music someone else created and combining with new/different music to produce something even more new and different, and you speak of this negatively. By this logic, people who use texts, colors, images, etc. in their GFXing that they didn't completely create from scratch are just as bad. So, if you made your sig, you're a hypocrite. If not, you're still a hypocrite because I doubt whoever made that sig, and your avatar for that matter, created the background, the color, the image, the font, the layers, all completely from scratch. It's the same concept as sampling, different medium. And drum programming is also negative? As you say while everything about your post is only possible through programming. You also speak as though every single genre in the 21st century don't use some kind of digital programming for synthetic instruments to some degree and in some form.

Those things you listed as being the ¨most¨ in rap can be found in every other genre. Unless you want to tell me that no other genre every has glorified violence, misogyny, drug-use or vanity. Also, rap glorified poverty? What rapper have you heard that has glorified poverty?

What do you describe as ¨real musicianship?" Please don't tell me it's picking up an instrument in real life and strumming it, because then I'd have to point you right back to the hypocrisy of your support of GFXing with your sig and avatar. If this isn't it, then please, do explain what real musicianship is.

The reason I said ¨hate yourself¨ is because I knew even before looking at your post that you were going to list things that can be found not only in every genre of music, but every medium of art that has ever existed. To penalize just rap for things every medium of art possess is hypocritical; either that or you penalize all forms of art to have ever existed, which is an existence that must be incredibly hard to deal with because you'd need to be completely dead inside to possibly hate every art form.

 

[Multiply]

Instead of attempting to be condescending and witty try arguing your point. I'm not saying there aren't a few exceptions, but break down rap into lyrics and music. Lyrically most of it panders to the lowest common denominator, glorifying violence, misogyny, poverty, vanity, drugs, de-emphasis on education, etc. Musically it lacks any real musicianship. Sampling and drum programming are not hard. I can be impressed by some rappers who talk fast, but most are sluggish and can't enunciate their words.

Music is about culture. When you understand where rap comes from and the culture behind it, then you make spout your meaningless opinions.

I see you mostly listen to the radio. First of all, every genre samples. That is not something that is found only in rap. Did you make your sig? Actually, whether or not you did isn't important to my next argument. You speak of sampling as though it is bad; sampling is taking music someone else created and combining with new/different music to produce something even more new and different, and you speak of this negatively. By this logic, people who use texts, colors, images, etc. in their GFXing that they didn't completely create from scratch are just as bad. So, if you made your sig, you're a hypocrite. If not, you're still a hypocrite because I doubt whoever made that sig, and your avatar for that matter, created the background, the color, the image, the font, the layers, all completely from scratch. It's the same concept as sampling, different medium. And drum programming is also negative? As you say while everything about your post is only possible through programming. You also speak as though every single genre in the 21st century don't use some kind of digital programming for synthetic instruments to some degree and in some form.

Those things you listed as being the ¨most¨ in rap can be found in every other genre. Unless you want to tell me that no other genre every has glorified violence, misogyny, drug-use or vanity. Also, rap glorified poverty? What rapper have you heard that has glorified poverty?

What do you describe as ¨real musicianship?" Please don't tell me it's picking up an instrument in real life and strumming it, because then I'd have to point you right back to the hypocrisy of your support of GFXing with your sig and avatar. If this isn't it, then please, do explain what real musicianship is.

The reason I said ¨hate yourself¨ is because I knew even before looking at your post that you were going to list things that can be found not only in every genre of music, but every medium of art that has ever existed. To penalize just rap for things every medium of art possess is hypocritical; either that or you penalize all forms of art to have ever existed, which is an existence that must be incredibly hard to deal with because you'd need to be completely dead inside to possibly hate every art form.

Drop that knowledge my G.

 

[King Kendrick]

Final Message to Diclonius ,


Go listen to Kendrick Lamar and Logic .

 

[Punk Hazard]

Final Message to Diclonius ,


Go listen to Kendrick Lamar and Logic .

Gotta add Ab-Soul and Childish Gambino to this list.

 

[Multiply]

Gotta add Ab-Soul and Childish Gambino to this list.

Spoiler

Don't forget J. Cole... :NO:

 

[Callypigia]

I see you mostly listen to the radio. First of all, every genre samples. That is not something that is found only in rap. Did you make your sig? Actually, whether or not you did isn't important to my next argument. You speak of sampling as though it is bad; sampling is taking music someone else created and combining with new/different music to produce something even more new and different, and you speak of this negatively. By this logic, people who use texts, colors, images, etc. in their GFXing that they didn't completely create from scratch are just as bad. So, if you made your sig, you're a hypocrite. If not, you're still a hypocrite because I doubt whoever made that sig, and your avatar for that matter, created the background, the color, the image, the font, the layers, all completely from scratch. It's the same concept as sampling, different medium. And drum programming is also negative? As you say while everything about your post is only possible through programming. You also speak as though every single genre in the 21st century don't use some kind of digital programming for synthetic instruments to some degree and in some form.

Those things you listed as being the ¨most¨ in rap can be found in every other genre. Unless you want to tell me that no other genre every has glorified violence, misogyny, drug-use or vanity. Also, rap glorified poverty? What rapper have you heard that has glorified poverty?

What do you describe as ¨real musicianship?" Please don't tell me it's picking up an instrument in real life and strumming it, because then I'd have to point you right back to the hypocrisy of your support of GFXing with your sig and avatar. If this isn't it, then please, do explain what real musicianship is.

The reason I said ¨hate yourself¨ is because I knew even before looking at your post that you were going to list things that can be found not only in every genre of music, but every medium of art that has ever existed. To penalize just rap for things every medium of art possess is hypocritical; either that or you penalize all forms of art to have ever existed, which is an existence that must be incredibly hard to deal with because you'd need to be completely dead inside to possibly hate every art form.

I can agree with your logic and you could easily say my sig is the death of art; much like Warhol silkscreening pictures of Elvis and Campbell Soup cans. You can say sampling is a homage to something, but it's debatable whether or not it's creation. My sig in the same respect is modification over creation.

Music is by definition, "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color." Note the "and" not "or." I wouldn't generalize to say that all rap lacks these complete elements, but most does. I'm old by the way. I grew up listening to Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, NWA, Sugar Hill Gang, 3rd Base...etc. I've seen it evolve (or devolve) into what it is today. Old rap had ideals, emotion, and rhythm, but mostly lacked melody and harmony. Most rap today has melody and harmony, but has lost the ideals and emotion. I'm not a hypocrite though because I can recognize the same thing about other genres that I like such as Grindcore, where there's little to no expression of emotion (except maybe hate), little to no melody. It is mostly their ideas (whether I like them is superfluous) with intense rhythm and harmony.

So, when I made that statement I was referring to musicianship as the creation and perpetuation of music. And like my sig, sampling is just modification. Computerized programmed drums (which is a plague in home recorded metal) don't take musical skill or aptitude. I will admit that if a rap group creates their own melodies, harmonies, rhythms, and attempts to use a message personal importance (political, religious, life experience...etc), than even though I don't want to listen to it, I will admit it's music and not just a music-like modification.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Can't believe I forgot Cole. Also, these three

 

[Punk Hazard]

I can agree with your logic and you could easily say my sig is the death of art; much like Warhol silkscreening pictures of Elvis and Campbell Soup cans. You can say sampling is a homage to something, but it's debatable whether or not it's creation. My sig in the same respect is modification over creation.

Music is by definition, "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color." Note the "and" not "or." I wouldn't generalize to say that all rap lacks these complete elements, but most does. I'm old by the way. I grew up listening to Public Enemy, Grandmaster Flash, NWA, Sugar Hill Gang, 3rd Base...etc. I've seen it evolve (or devolve) into what it is today. Old rap had ideals, emotion, and rhythm, but mostly lacked melody and harmony. Most rap today has melody and harmony, but has lost the ideals and emotion. I'm not a hypocrite though because I can recognize the same thing about other genres that I like such as Grindcore, where there's little to no expression of emotion (except maybe hate), little to no melody. It is mostly their ideas (whether I like them is superfluous) with intense rhythm and harmony.

So, when I made that statement I was referring to musicianship as the creation and perpetuation of music. And like my sig, sampling is just modification. Computerized programmed drums (which is a plague in home recorded metal) don't take musical skill or aptitude. I will admit that if a rap group creates their own melodies, harmonies, rhythms, and attempts to use a message personal importance (political, religious, life experience...etc), than even though I don't want to listen to it, I will admit it's music and not just a music-like modification.

Hop off the ****ing radio dawg. The music you're talking about exists, it's just not marketed and handed to you. Every song that has been linked in this thread have exactly what you're talking about. You're just the countless who are too lazy to go find the good rap, so you generalize the entire genre as bad. Rap didn't devolve, rap has evolved in so many ways and you don't even know because you haven't looked for it.

 

[Callypigia]

Hop off the ****ing radio dawg. The music you're talking about exists, it's just not marketed and handed to you. Every song that has been linked in this thread have exactly what you're talking about. You're just the countless who are too lazy to go find the good rap, so you generalize the entire genre as bad. Rap didn't devolve, rap has evolved in so many ways and you don't even know because you haven't looked for it.

One thing we share is general disgust for our music. People make the same arguments about metal. The truth is though I have little desire to go searching for it because it doesn't appeal to me in auditory sense in the way you probably wouldn't go searching for a lot of the music I like. Take this for example:



This has a lot of the same themes that we discussed (not as in-your-face descriptive, but they're there), but it has a more raw feel to me. Maybe it's the "strumming shit," but whatever. To each his own. Cheers mate.

 

[Melanin]

I'd Rather Be Ya' N****
Nympho's
All About U
Thug Mansion

Brah you gotta chill..

 

[Logical Chaos]

"Words to my first Born"
"Who do you believe in?"

They're so many to choose from

 

[Meekz89]

If it's not your culture you won't get it. Tupac was like a prophet for the black struggle. His lyrics paints a picture of the struggles of the black community in the 80's and 90's. So some kid on a Naruto forum can't possible understand or comprehend what's going on.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

LOL he is overrated, many great EMCees existed or emerged during tupacs reign and prior. Who were infact, a lot better than tupac in multi's, complex lyricism and flow. Besides, multi's is what defines what a great emcee is anyway.

 

[Dannie]

I like this..I like this alot..

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

All Eyez On Me sucks.
Pac isn't a black prophet.
Life After Death isn't better than Ready to Die (both have filler).

Big Pun > Biggie
Chino XL > Pac

Fite me kiddies.