-Tsunade's Speed-

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Which is why she is clearly surprised in that last panel because she sees the hole and still cant react.



lol alright bro. You think DB > Manga. PC lost his touch.

#shotsfired
DB = Manga

Both written by Kishimoto. People try and use feats and rewrite the manga to what they think they know.

When in fact the manga and databook should be taken literally how they are as that's what Kishimoto intended.
Kishi is not writing the manga to have the readers pick and choose who does what, thats decided by Kishi himself.

Although the databook is outdated, a lot of characters including Tsunade are still accurate.
You cannot interpret a feat to believe what you think should be.

Ex. Nagato admitted Jiraiya could defeat the pains. However Nagato has the feat of CT, most people would interpret that into something way more higher than what Jiraiya can handle so he would lose, although Nagato himself said Jiraiya would win.

My point: Theres a lot more to the manga than simple feats.


Not entirely directed towards you. Just saying in general.
I have a lot of disdain towards feats being the only valid source.
 

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You do realize the CS2 gives you more chakra and doesnt use more. Sasuke used 2 katons.

Sounds like you are making more excuses to prove your DB numbers.

Sasuke had no chakra left yet Itachi still had more. Yet DB should say otherwise.
Actually the CM2 drains the chakra while giving the user a slight boost.
 

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NO its gives you chakra. That was the first time Sasuke used the CS2. All throughout later he can even partial transform, which shows his skill in it .( )
What in that scan tells you it gives him chakra? Sasuke tried to "forcibeably draw out more chakra" which meant he didn't have enough of his own chakra to suppress Orochimaru. Not seeing where it says CS2 gives you chakra, and we see Lee observe the s .

We have scans outright saying CS2 drains the user, and I'll pose you this - if CS2 was such a stamina boost, why not have it active the entire fight? In every fight Sasuke has had, even in Part II, he used it very sparingly (observed in the Deidara fight and in the Itachi fight where he constantly turns it on and off when he needs it).

I forgot about the fire balls, which you should count as a technique together, so its only 3.
What do you mean "you count as a technique together?" Sasuke shot out two grand fireballs and at least 3, if not four fire dragon balls. That is a total of at least 5, if not 6 Katons.
 

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When Sasuke fights that guy in the chunnin exams who absorbs his chakra he doesnt have anymore left and almost resorted to using the curse mark because he needed chakra


Sasuke can only use 2 chidori before he his reserves are gone, after that he would have resorted to the curse mark's chakra for more.

lol it gives the user chakra.

Anyway we have gotten off topic. The manga > DB. Feats > numbers in a databook.

lol its funny if I were to bring up the fact that Tsunade has a 5 in taijustu, what would happen? People would say yeah but she hardly has any feats to show that. That bullshit.
 
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When Sasuke fights that guy in the chunnin exams who absorbs his chakra he doesnt have anymore left and almost resorted to using the curse mark because he needed chakra


Sasuke can only use 2 chidori before he his reserves are gone, after that he would have resorted to the curse mark's chakra for more.
Or that Sasuke improved between the time Kakashi and him trained.

Anyway we have gotten off topic. The manga > DB. Feats > numbers in a databook.
Considering your idea of a speed feat is attacking an unsuspecting comrade two feet away in a hospital room an arm's reach away from a tired patient . . . they don't hold much water (at least yours don't).

lol its funny if I were to bring up the fact that Tsunade has a 5 in taijustu, what would happen? People would say yeah but she hardly has any feats to show that. That bullshit.
No, people would say she is significantly slower and less reflexive than the people she is battling. A battle of CQC involves a combination of speed, possibly Kenjutsu, and reflexes, none of which she excels in. This is in addition to Taijutsu skill, of course.

When observed in isolation, her Taijutsu method is decent; regenerating while the opponent thinks you are dead is great. Main issue is she doesn't have the speed to get the drop on her enemies, and her reflexes are subpar as well.
 
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You just proved Tsunade was capable of locomotion, not anything indicating speed. Madara's inability to react was due to three other Kage pressuring him, not Tsunade's speed. Madara already reacted to Tsunade teleporting in front of him due to Mabui's technique.
The OP didn't claim Tsunade blitzed Madara. It is a speed feat because Tsunade outspeed Mei's water dragon.

Nice try.

These scans aren't consecutive. The scene changes prior to it going back to the Kage battle, and anything could have happened in that interval. The fact that it was a clone further diminishes this, considering it was Madara's intention all along to feint them with that Mokuton clone.
The scans not being consecutive doesn't imply anything pertaining to that battle could have happened in that interval. , which has nothing to do with the battle.
The fact that Madara fooled them into thinking he was blitzed implies Tsunade was moving fairly fast because if she wasn't, the Gokage wouldn't have suspected Madara to have been taken down so easily.

The other Kages don't have the benefit of Byakugo replenishing their body and each have been fighting for longer than Tsunade has. Implying Tsunade is faster than the Raikage is just about as thick as implying Sakura is faster than Sasuke and Naruto because they were "not fast enough" to stop her from bum-rushing Madara and getting impaled.
You're missing the point. None of the other kages made an effort to move out of the way before Tsunade proactively acted to save all four of them. Tsunade was also low on chakra considering she fainted right after the katon attack. Sakura rushing Madara doesn't mean she reacted faster than Naruto/Sasuke because she chose to do so whereas Naruto/Sasuke didn't choose to rush Madara at that moment. Now if Madara had released an attack against the trio and Sakura was the first to move out of the way, that would be a different story but that's not what happened at all.



She isn't slow if you compare her to Chunin, of course. Even then, people like VoTE Sasuke are probably faster than her, or at the very least equal.
So VoTE Sasuke is faster than part one Kakashi who was on par with Zabuza in speed? Considering Zabuza couldn't react to Kakashi's suiton attack whereas Tsunade outspeed a much more powerful suiton attack.
Compare her to any Jonin level or higher fighter, and yes, she is easily among the slowest. The only Kage that are slower than her are old Hiruzen (plagued by old age) and Gaara (who isn't even a mobile fighter), and even then, they only rank half a tier below her. She ties with Hidan, if you consider him Jonin level. Other than that, every single S-ranked fighter that has a DB stat shames her in the speed department.
@Bold: Yes because Tsunade is clearly slower than Kankuro, Temari, Kurenai, Asuma, Zabuza, Yamato, etc. Saying Hidan and Tsunade are on par in speed with each other just because they both got 3.5 is like saying Hebi Sasuke equals Deidara in speed even though Sasuke kept on pressuring him with it. Not to mention databook only looks at base speed so you can't even use it to compare Byakogou Tsunade. Furthermore, the databook has part one Sakura to be a lot slower than part one Ino yet they matched each other. The databook is a source of legitimate information but those numbers have to be backed by manga feats and portrayal to actually be used effectively in a debate.
 

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Tsunade is slow compared to every decently fast character in this manga. And her attack pattern in CQC is very linear and predictable, she just tries to punch or kick the opponent with a smashy-smashy hit, or to grab it after tanking an attack thanks to medical ninjutsu. She's physically strong, but too slow and predictable.
 

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She's not seen as the weakest. First of all, her speciality is medical ninjutsu, and second of all, she is definitely stronger than Mei.

In all around, she's the 2nd best after Onoki, taking all advantages into account. Just battle wise, she only surpasses Mei.
 
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