Tsunade well worthy of the Hokage title

[Sharingdork]

Again. Try reading my posts from other threads. That would be helpful, but for your sake i'll explain.

First, you can't compare a one on one fight to an invasion where a village is your responsibility.

During her Kabuto fight, all the three Sannins were handicapped. Jiraiya (drugged), Orochimaru (Armless) & Tsunade (Rusty & Blood Phobia) Kishi can't just show to us Sage mode and Hydra Justu that time because the Sannin will be overpowered and will lack development later on.

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Still, Kabuto praised her power even at her fallen state.

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Did you see, she was even holding her own in an elite jounin on Kakahi's level despite of being rusty.

Minato and Tsunade's administration were faced into an invasion, but with different invaders. Comparing Minato and Tsunade is not right. If Minato was on Tsunade's position, many people would have died. The attack of the Kyuubi can be anticipated as it doesn't use techniques, only massive chakra blast which minato teleported somewhere else.

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On the other hand, Pain is human/shinobi who possesses the rinnegan. He knows variety of justus which Tsunade/Konoha was in the process of learning. Pain's technique is not a blast rather a gravitational pull. How could have minato teleported such attack?

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And I don't think Minato would have fought Pain head on. There are five shinobis plus Konan roaming around Konoha. Even he's fast he wouldn't be able to defeat one body easily. If he fought one pain, deva could prepare Shinra Tensei on the air.

Also, the third Hokage is there to give assistance. So basically two Kages are fighting that's why Minato wasn't afraid to risk his life because he knew the third was there, as oppose to Tsunade. Danzo didn't even help her, even so Danzo isn't the person to trust most.

As with Tsunade, we don't know how well she could have done in Minato's postion, but with the help of the Third the success rate is huge. We still don't know what she's really capable of. She's a senju & a uzumaki after all which means she can be proficient with seals like Minato.

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Countless opportunities?

I haven't seen anyone from the Kages went out for a Mission? aren't they the ones giving orders for mission? If the Hokage went out for missions the village will be vulnerable for attacks. Common Sense.

Beating Madara, Kyuubi or the Kin Gin Bros weren't missions at all. The Kages were forced to fight them. As for Tsunade, Pain was the greatest threat where she had the opportunity to fight, but Pain flew and nuke the village. You can't blame her for that. This is a shonen manga and the bests are saved for last that's why we haven't seen her fight all out and she's the last remaining sannin. I'm sure that's why the naruto and sasuke fight will be the last fight we'll see in this manga.

second Hokage was on a mission with two teams (his own and another) whe he told Hiruzen that he would die, and that he would be the third Hokage(look it up. I forget what chapter; during the Danzo/Sasuke fight). and don't you think that the first going so far away from the village to fight Madara was risky for the village? fourth Hokage went on missions, as deemed by his 'Flee on sight' orders. and as for 'countless oppertunites', every arc had at least one oppertunity she could've taken, in stead of sending Naruto to take care of it. When this war is over, he'd better be made Hokage. and as for your 'village vunerable to attacks' argument; did that stop pain? no. in fact, he was about to finish off the village when Naruto showed up. any other Hokage would've been out there fighting, letting the other medics work on it (if she passed down the Katsuya summoning, like the other sannin, other med nins who weren't doing much else could've taken care of the village like that)

 

[Sharingdork]

Re: Tsunade well worthy of the Hokage name

she may be the weakest but shes one of the most suited...i mean look how many lives she saved during pains invasion....if pain attacked any other village its r.i.p.....to them all shes not a front line fighter which i wouldnt want as my kage anyway...id want em on the line fighting...kakashi isnt kage type he is front line jiraiya was there scout getting all the info for the village...the point is why would u even want ur strongest fighter kage anyway?...id much rather have an more intellegent ninja who can make battle plans and strategies and stuff...if tsunade died id pick shikuaku not naruto or kakashi...just my opinion tho

if pain attacked Suna, Gaara would've defended it with sand while attacking (as shown against Deidara). and even if this is 'different', Gaara could immobilize all of the pains (except Deva) and konan (if he get's most of the paper trapped) and then kill them like that, while using sand walls to protect the village. and are you saying that the other villages ninja in general are weaker than Konoha? that, my friend, is just plain racist!

 

[Olorin]

1. Hokages went on missions because there were wars

2. Pain would pwn Gaara

3. Pains attack cant be blocked by sand all gaara would do is suffocate the villagers

 

[Tsunade Senju]

second Hokage was on a mission with two teams (his own and another) whe he told Hiruzen that he would die, and that he would be the third Hokage(look it up. I forget what chapter; during the Danzo/Sasuke fight). and don't you think that the first going so far away from the village to fight Madara was risky for the village? fourth Hokage went on missions, as deemed by his 'Flee on sight' orders. and as for 'countless oppertunites', every arc had at least one oppertunity she could've taken, in stead of sending Naruto to take care of it. When this war is over, he'd better be made Hokage. and as for your 'village vunerable to attacks' argument; did that stop pain? no. in fact, he was about to finish off the village when Naruto showed up. any other Hokage would've been out there fighting, letting the other medics work on it (if she passed down the Katsuya summoning, like the other sannin, other med nins who weren't doing much else could've taken care of the village like that)

Wasn't the second hokage/Konaha in a war that time? Not on a mission.

If I'm not mistaken, the first hokage was out fighting madara in the valley where naruto and sasuke fought and that's near the village. Also, there was his brother who could take care of Konoha while he's out fighting. (Can you count that as a mission, No!) And who would have had the strength to attack Konoha who's composed of the two strongest clans (Senju & Uchiha) that time and that fight happened after the first world war? (there's suppose to have peace and agreement after a war)

When I said the village being vulnerable, I was referring to a Kage going to a mission. So it's logical that sending a Kage for a mission is risky for the village's safety.

Really? How did you know that? State facts please. Because I can see them only fight if they had full knowledge on pain or if badly needed. As for Tsunade's case, she can heal and fight. Unlike with the other Kages, only fight. So while Tsunade's learning pain's secret through her subordinates, she could still help while healing first then fight afterwards, but it didn't happen. While with the other Kages, they will resort in fighting to know pain's secret while the other bodies are there killing and Deva Pain's preparing to use Shinra tensei. Is that what you meant?

Didn't you see, even with Tsunade's help the medics including sakura can't heal everyone. So don't tell me that there were medics who weren't doing much or just chillin' that time.

 

[Sharingdork]

1. Hokages went on missions because there were wars

2. Pain would pwn Gaara

3. Pains attack cant be blocked by sand all gaara would do is suffocate the villagers

the only attack Gaara's sand can't block is the push, and even then he can just manipulate the sand to recreate the wall. i'm not saying he's gunna be effective, I'm just saying that he could defend his village

 

[MilleniumStorm4]

Re: Tsunade well worthy of the Hokage name

if pain attacked Suna, Gaara would've defended it with sand while attacking (as shown against Deidara). and even if this is 'different', Gaara could immobilize all of the pains (except Deva) and konan (if he get's most of the paper trapped) and then kill them like that, while using sand walls to protect the village. and are you saying that the other villages ninja in general are weaker than Konoha? that, my friend, is just plain racist!

lol im not rascist...but if there village gets destroyed they cant be saved to the extent of tsunade and diedara waltzed in and took gaara...yea there weak...and gaara cant beat pain

 

[Sharingdork]

Wasn't the second hokage/Konaha in a war that time? Not on a mission.

If I'm not mistaken, the first hokage was out fighting madara in the valley where naruto and sasuke fought and that's near the village. Also, there was his brother who could take care of Konoha while he's out fighting. (Can you count that as a mission, No!) And who would have had the strength to attack Konoha who's composed of the two strongest clans (Senju & Uchiha) that time and that fight happened after the first world war? (there's suppose to have peace and agreement after a war)

When I said the village being vulnerable, I was referring to a Kage going to a mission. So it's logical that sending a Kage for a mission is risky for the village's safety.

Really? How did you know that? State facts please. Because I can see them only fight if they had full knowledge on pain or if badly needed. As for Tsunade's case, she can heal and fight. Unlike with the other Kages, only fight. So while Tsunade's learning pain's secret through her subordinates, she could still help while healing first then fight afterwards, but it didn't happen. While with the other Kages, they will resort in fighting to know pain's secret while the other bodies are there killing and Deva Pain's preparing to use Shinra tensei. Is that what you meant?

Didn't you see, even with Tsunade's help the medics including sakura can't heal everyone. So don't tell me that there were medics who weren't doing much or just chillin' that time.

first of all, they weren't chillin, but they could've been healing the village if they could've summoned Katsuya.

second of all;

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[Tsunade Senju]

first of all, they weren't chillin, but they could've been healing the village if they could've summoned Katsuya.

second of all;

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So is yours. :> but not really, i think i stated valid and arguable points

Katsuyu is a personal summon. So If you're a medic ninja does that mean you should automatically have a contract with Katsuyu as your summon? c'mon.

 

[Sharingdork]

So is yours. :> but not really, i think i stated valid and arguable points

Katsuyu is a personal summon. So If you're a medic ninja does that mean you should automatically have a contract with Katsuyu as your summon? c'mon.

Gamabunta=Personal Summon. Minato, Naruto, Jiraiya all could summon it.
Manda=Personal Summon. Orochimaru, Sasuke, Kaubuto, even Suigetsu (when summoning Sasuke after Sasuke v Deidara) could summon it.
Katsuya=Personal Summon. Tsunade can summon it.

♪One of these things is not like the other...
One of these things just does not belong...♪
she could at least let Sakura summon it.

 

[Tsunade Senju]

Gamabunta=Personal Summon. Minato, Naruto, Jiraiya all could summon it.
Manda=Personal Summon. Orochimaru, Sasuke, Kaubuto, even Suigetsu (when summoning Sasuke after Sasuke v Deidara) could summon it.
Katsuya=Personal Summon. Tsunade can summon it.

♪One of these things is not like the other...
One of these things just does not belong...♪
she could at least let Sakura summon it.

Yes, they are personal and being passed down. What I meant is, if you are a medic ninja, you can't automatically have Katsuyu as your summon. get it? And have you seen many ninja that can summon? most likely, those people who could summon or who has a summon are skilled and Class S ninjas.

If Sakura couldn't heal a single person, how could she be able to mass heal everyone in the village which requires a great chakra control and stamina? Sakura isn't on Tsunade's level yet.

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[Sharingdork]

Yes, they are personal and being passed down. What I meant is, if you are a medic ninja, you can't automatically have Katsuyu as your summon. get it? And have you seen many ninja that can summon? most likely, those people who could summon or who has a summon are skilled and Class S ninjas.

If Sakura couldn't heal a single person, how could she be able to mass heal everyone in the village which requires a great chakra control and stamina? Sakura isn't on Tsunade's level yet.

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but on a more serious note, she was heal people, just not everyone. learn to read. also, this is just proving that Saukra is incredably weak, as the other two sannin apprentices has surpassed their sensei's a LONG time ago. either way, one of my arguments, Saukra's weak, or Tsunade's weak, must be met.

 

[JakeLife510]

Could tsunade heal Kimmi and Itachi of thier disease?

 

[JTjutsumaster]

Yeah Tsunade would be even stronger if she hadn't of been a gambling achoholic looser.
She gets most of her amazing chakra from her grandfather, the second, or first, Hokage, which pretty much explains why she is sooo darn-right dangerous, she puts most of that chakra into her muscles.

 

[Shoton]

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but on a more serious note, she was heal people, just not everyone. learn to read. also, this is just proving that Saukra is incredably weak, as the other two sannin apprentices has surpassed their sensei's a LONG time ago. either way, one of my arguments, Saukra's weak, or Tsunade's weak, must be met.

I dont like Sakura, but just because she hasnt surpassed Tsunade yet doesnt mean she or Tsunade is increadibly weak. Your not to define the difficulties of mastering medical ninjutsu. Sakura had learned chakra control long before Naruto and Sasuke. If Sasuke or Naruto would have chosen the path of a medical nin, they would not have been at the same level as Sakura is at the moment, and then again they wouldnt have surpassed Tsunade. Im just sticking to the facts.

You just be glad Tsunade cured Sasuke from Tsukuyomi.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

and she can use summoning her slug uses long range jutsu ( acid slime)

 

[blackbird31468]

no. she hasn't really made good desissions and she hasn't made herself useful this war.

 

[Shoton]

no. she hasn't really made good desissions and she hasn't made herself useful this war.

/Facepalm U_U

 

[6paths]

/Facepalm U_U

I second that facepalm!!!

 

[kanesannin]

Again. Try reading my posts from other threads. That would be helpful, but for your sake i'll explain.

First, you can't compare a one on one fight to an invasion where a village is your responsibility.

During her Kabuto fight, all the three Sannins were handicapped. Jiraiya (drugged), Orochimaru (Armless) & Tsunade (Rusty & Blood Phobia) Kishi can't just show to us Sage mode and Hydra Justu that time because the Sannin will be overpowered and will lack development later on.

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Still, Kabuto praised her power even at her fallen state.

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Did you see, she was even holding her own in an elite jounin on Kakahi's level despite of being rusty.

Minato and Tsunade's administration were faced into an invasion, but with different invaders. Comparing Minato and Tsunade is not right. If Minato was on Tsunade's position, many people would have died. The attack of the Kyuubi can be anticipated as it doesn't use techniques, only massive chakra blast which minato teleported somewhere else.

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On the other hand, Pain is human/shinobi who possesses the rinnegan. He knows variety of justus which Tsunade/Konoha was in the process of learning. Pain's technique is not a blast rather a gravitational pull. How could have minato teleported such attack?

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And I don't think Minato would have fought Pain head on. There are five shinobis plus Konan roaming around Konoha. Even he's fast he wouldn't be able to defeat one body easily. If he fought one pain, deva could prepare Shinra Tensei on the air.

Also, the third Hokage is there to give assistance. So basically two Kages are fighting that's why Minato wasn't afraid to risk his life because he knew the third was there, as oppose to Tsunade. Danzo didn't even help her, even so Danzo isn't the person to trust most.

As with Tsunade, we don't know how well she could have done in Minato's postion, but with the help of the Third the success rate is huge. We still don't know what she's really capable of. She's a senju & a uzumaki after all which means she can be proficient with seals like Minato.

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Countless opportunities?

I haven't seen anyone from the Kages went out for a Mission? aren't they the ones giving orders for mission? If the Hokage went out for missions the village will be vulnerable for attacks. Common Sense.

Beating Madara, Kyuubi or the Kin Gin Bros weren't missions at all. The Kages were forced to fight them. As for Tsunade, Pain was the greatest threat where she had the opportunity to fight, but Pain flew and nuke the village. You can't blame her for that. This is a shonen manga and the bests are saved for last that's why we haven't seen her fight all out and she's the last remaining sannin. I'm sure that's why the naruto and sasuke fight will be the last fight we'll see in this manga.

Ofcourse minato can be compared to tsunade...hint:they were both hokage. You're such a tsunade fan-gurl!!! That's total gibberish about the fox being completely different. You think tsunade could handle the kyuubi???? If minato fought pain, he would reach him before shinra tensei activated and either put a seal on him, after which he could teleport to him instantaneously and rasengan him into oblivion. May i remind you, God realm pain's chibaku tensei, his toughest jutsu, could NOT contain the kyuubi even though it was'nt fully formed at that point.
About the multiple bodies argument, ROFL. Minato took out an entire battalion of enemies all by himself:

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That's 50 enemies compared to just 6 bodies of pain. All minato needs to do is use a shuriken jutsu to throw 6 kunais or make 2 or 3 shadow clones do it for him and its pwnage. And no, tsunade does'nt even come close by any stretch of the imagination.

Did the 3rd help the 4th in any way when the kyuubi attacked?? No. That was all minato, and if she knew/knows seals why does'nt she use them? I'll tell u why, cuz she's a weakling and shud only be a medic, not a kage, someone who's supposed to fight. If she were for real, she would have at least laid her life down before the village was destroyed like kakashi did. The way the pain invasion played out its obvious kishi shows her as weak.

 

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but on a more serious note, she was heal people, just not everyone. learn to read. also, this is just proving that Saukra is incredably weak, as the other two sannin apprentices has surpassed their sensei's a LONG time ago. either way, one of my arguments, Saukra's weak, or Tsunade's weak, must be met.

I think you're the one getting lost here.
First you said that Tsunade should have fought pain and let the other medics do the job of mass healing via Katsuyu, then now you starting a new topic of Sakura and Tsunade being weak. I don't get you, seriously. Sakura is a skilled medical ninja who can surpass Tsunade at anytime. Even at her level she can't still summon Katsuyu and use mass healing. How do you expect other random medical ninja do the mass healing? Tsunade's the world's greatest medical ninja.

Ofcourse minato can be compared to tsunade...hint:they were both hokage. You're such a tsunade fan-gurl!!! That's total gibberish about the fox being completely different. You think tsunade could handle the kyuubi???? If minato fought pain, he would reach him before shinra tensei activated and either put a seal on him, after which he could teleport to him instantaneously and rasengan him into oblivion. May i remind you, God realm pain's chibaku tensei, his toughest jutsu, could NOT contain the kyuubi even though it was'nt fully formed at that point.
About the multiple bodies argument, ROFL. Minato took out an entire battalion of enemies all by himself:

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That's 50 enemies compared to just 6 bodies of pain. All minato needs to do is use a shuriken jutsu to throw 6 kunais or make 2 or 3 shadow clones do it for him and its pwnage. And no, tsunade does'nt even come close by any stretch of the imagination.

Did the 3rd help the 4th in any way when the kyuubi attacked?? No. That was all minato, and if she knew/knows seals why does'nt she use them? I'll tell u why, cuz she's a weakling and shud only be a medic, not a kage, someone who's supposed to fight. If she were for real, she would have at least laid her life down before the village was destroyed like kakashi did. The way the pain invasion played out its obvious kishi shows her as weak.

Yeah, they are both Hokage, but you must consider their field of expertise and how each of them would have a different approach on the said situations/invasion (Kyuubi/Madara & Pain). It's like comparing two entertainers, one is a dancer and another's a singer. You can judge them as you like, but their ways are different in entertaining people.

Look who's talking on being one sided. I'm not underestimating Minato and I didn't say Tsunade could've done better during the Kyuubi. I said the success rate is huge having the third Hokage at her side. As well as with Minato, no other Kage could have done better than Tsunade during the invasion.

How do you expect Minato to put a seal on Deva Pain first if he doesn't know that he's the most destructive realm? There are six of them including Konan on different parts of the village. FTG won't work since Deva pain can push back and deflect the Kunai. But since minato is strong, Pain will activate Shinra Tensei earlier.

Pain can't contain the Kyuubi because he used his chakra nuking the Hidden leaf and after fighting Naruto and controlling six bodies. Pain wasn't at full strength when he used chibaku tensei. Simple as that.

If Minato defeated A battalion of ninjas leaving only four of them, well Tsunade survived along with Jiraiya againts Hanzo who was way back one of the strongest shinobi who took almost all Leaf ninja leaving the Sannin and she survived again against a shinobi on Pain's caliber. Also don't tell me you think those ninja Minato's battling is on the same level as Pain's bodies? No!

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Well the point is, She's the current Hokage and Kishi made her capable for the position. Oh i don't want to bring Kakashi in since i like him too, but If you were a Konoha citizen do you like your Hokage to be fighting head on and die? OMG. Pain Invasion was made for her to showcase her legendary medical ninjutsu and for Naruto to avenge for Jiraiya as they were both his students. In short for plot's sake.

Have you wondered, why is she still alive at this moment?