Tsunade vs SM Jiraiya (Taijutsu)

[Lord Tywin]

As this is a Taijutsu battle, he only needs to maintain SM mode, which doesn't expend his chakra at the level Byakugou would. Also, Fukasaku stated that both Naruto and Jiraiya has "enormous" reserves, unlike Tsunade. Are you saying that Tsunade's reserves (since that's all Byakugou is, her chakra) is more than Jiraiya's stated "enormous" reserves + Senjutsu?

Watch Orochimaru vs Tsunade again, she has been hurt by stuff less durable than Susano or whatever and answers pretty much all regarding her "durability". And actually she didn't held her own, she was cut in half by a clone.

Orochimaru is not immortal in the traditional sense either, he can be killed as you say he expressed concern over Naruto's BD. It's just that Tsunade's punches are not all that cracked up.

Where does Jiraiya says that? Because she got handed quite easily by Kabuto

Yes Tsuande’s chakra is far larger than Jiraiya. From healing an entire village to protecting everyone in the village with Katsuya to her performance against Madara, Tsunade has the greatest chakra quantity among the sannin.

we’re talking about a rusty Tsunade. Her part one feats are nothing compared to her part two feats(and ever other character). And no, Tsunade was holding her own against susanoos.

As I’ve said, her part 2 feats are far superior to her rusty self. War Tsunade would have killed Orochimaru with a punch if we susbsitute rusty Tsunade to her war version. Jiraiya said Tsunade was unrivaled in cqc before she appeared in panel.

 

[MightGai]

Yes Tsuande’s chakra is far larger than Jiraiya. From healing an entire village to protecting everyone in the village with Katsuya to her performance against Madara, Tsunade has the greatest chakra quantity among the sannin.

we’re talking about a rusty Tsunade. Her part one feats are nothing compared to her part two feats(and ever other character). And no, Tsunade was holding her own against susanoos.

As I’ve said, her part 2 feats are far superior to her rusty self. War Tsunade would have killed Orochimaru with a punch if we susbsitute rusty Tsunade to her war version. Jiraiya said Tsunade was unrivaled in cqc before she appeared in panel.

Sakura not only did the same, she did it with the army of 5 nations and without exhaustion, and she kept fighting through the end after releasing the byakugou, while on the other hand Tsunade collapsed. Is Sakura a chakra beast as well? No, since byakugou is actually accumulated chakra over time, not normal chakra reserves as explained by Tsunade (guess that's why it's called a seal).

We actually haven't seen Tsunade fight after part1 iirc, only that she almost got blitzed by Asura path (right before Naruto's frog kata one-shotted that), except with Madara, where she was defeated by clones. I don't know what you mean by holding on, but the result is evident.

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I hardly think that being Hokage and training Sakura left her any time to train on her own.

What are her feats in part 2 except the fight with Madara's clones?. Cause there aren't much feats going on there for her, except healing a gut stab and maybe landing that punch in Susano'o.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tsunade almost getting blitzed by Asura means nothing as 10 seconds later she collapsed and fell in coma for weeks. In the war arc she was able to hold her own against five of Madara's legged Susanoos, and this feat alone puts her above Jiraiya in a strict CqC battle.

The Byakugou allowed Sakura to travel through dimensions, something even Naruto found extremely chakra toxing, so Tsunade clearly has better reserves than Jiraiya.

 

[MightGai]

Tsunade almost getting blitzed by Asura means nothing as 10 seconds later she collapsed and fell in coma for weeks. In the war arc she was able to hold her own against five of Madara's legged Susanoos, and this feat alone puts her above Jiraiya in a strict CqC battle.

The Byakugou allowed Sakura to travel through dimensions, something even Naruto found extremely chakra toxing, so Tsunade clearly has better reserves than Jiraiya.

Why do people keep saying "she held her own"? Holding her own would be surviving the fight until someone rescued them or something like that. She didn't, not one of them did hold their own, they were obliterated by madara's clones which didn't bother to finish them off. Surviving due to being a medic nin is not holding her own, she couldn't even hold her own guts on as Katsuyu barely kept her alive.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Sakura not only did the same, she did it with the army of 5 nations and without exhaustion, and she kept fighting through the end after releasing the byakugou, while on the other hand Tsunade collapsed. Is Sakura a chakra beast as well? No, since byakugou is actually accumulated chakra over time, not normal chakra reserves as explained by Tsunade (guess that's why it's called a seal).

We actually haven't seen Tsunade fight after part1 iirc, only that she almost got blitzed by Asura path (right before Naruto's frog kata one-shotted that), except with Madara, where she was defeated by clones. I don't know what you mean by holding on, but the result is evident.

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I hardly think that being Hokage and training Sakura left her any time to train on her own.

What are her feats in part 2 except the fight with Madara's clones?. Cause there aren't much feats going on there for her, except healing a gut stab and maybe landing that punch in Susano'o.

Yes both Sakura and Tsunade have better chakra quantity than Jiraiya because of the seal.

Stop. That Tsunade used so much chakra that she reverted to her old self. Go reread Madara vs kages. Tsunade was holding her own against susanoo clones.

 

[MightGai]

Yes both Sakura and Tsunade have better chakra quantity than Jiraiya because of the seal.

Stop. That Tsunade used so much chakra that she reverted to her old self. Go reread Madara vs kages. Tsunade was holding her own against susanoo clones.

Fukasaku compared Jiraiya and Naruto at the same level of chakra, you're trying to say that Tsunade or Sakura has bijuu level chakra? Don't.

As said above, losing the battle while being cut in half by a clone hadly counts as holding her own.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Fukasaku compared Jiraiya and Naruto at the same level of chakra, you're trying to say that Tsunade or Sakura has bijuu level chakra? Don't.

As said above, losing the battle while being cut in half by a clone hadly counts as holding her own.

Lmao he said that both have huge amount of chakra. Naruto’s own chakra is much more massive and potent than Jiraiya’s. Jiraiya doesn’t have bijuu level chakra. Nobody has except the bijuu. But is Tsuande’s chakra reserves bigger than jiraiya’s Based on manga feats? Yes
She was drstroying susanoo and taking damage. She’s a brawler and she brawled against susanoo clones. While Jiraiya can’t even land a punch on pain bodies without surprise. Tsunade is the much better Taijutsu user

 

[Edogawa]

Taijutsu isn't something Jiraiya relies or excels at. His Frog Kata got blocked by Human Path with ease. Tsunade, on the other hand, could hold her own against 5 Legged-Susanoo with clones using EMS and Rinnegan. She could tank and heal from anything he throws, whereas he would get bloody pulverised if she gets hold off him. He might prolong this battle by dodging her punches, but she'll outlast him if he does that.

Tsunade low difficulty.

 

[Mori Jin]

Jiraiya wins this.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Wth is KG65 lol

 

[Sageflash]

Jiraiya negs

 

[Tantalus Thief]

with rasengan restricted, tsunade should win this

 

[Belserion]

Lmao he said that both have huge amount of chakra. Naruto’s own chakra is much more massive and potent than Jiraiya’s. Jiraiya doesn’t have bijuu level chakra. Nobody has except the bijuu. But is Tsuande’s chakra reserves bigger than jiraiya’s Based on manga feats? Yes
She was drstroying susanoo and taking damage. She’s a brawler and she brawled against susanoo clones. While Jiraiya can’t even land a punch on pain bodies without surprise. Tsunade is the much better Taijutsu user

You might as well stop here. MightGai hates Tsunade and doesn't even accept that she's Kage Level.

 

[MightGai]

You might as well stop here. MightGai hates Tsunade and doesn't even accept that she's Kage Level.

That's why you neg rep me? Hate is a strong word, I like the role she plays as medic, but forcing her to be on the same league of ninjas that are actually good at killing each other is a bit too much.

@Tywin

Sorry, got bored of saying and hearing the same replies over and over.

 

[Belserion]

That's why you neg rep me? Hate is a strong word, I like the role she plays as medic, but forcing her to be on the same league of ninjas that are actually good at killing each other is a bit too much.

@Tywin

Sorry, got bored of saying and hearing the same replies over and over.

It's simple. You are trying to discredit ALL of her feats or always try to make her look less good.

Tsunade fought 5 Susano'os. Yes she got overpowered but who wasn't after fighting for a long period of time?

She was scored higher in chakra reserves than Jiraya as well. The Byakugou Seal contains enough chakra to open mutliple dimensions.

And you even went as far and used a rusty and out of chakra Version of Tsunade to make a point.

Mind telling you that Tsunade even landed a hit on one Susano'o and a Wood Clone created by Madara.

 

[MightGai]

It's simple. You are trying to discredit ALL of her feats or always try to make her look less good.

Tsunade fought 5 Susano'os. Yes she got overpowered but who wasn't after fighting for a long period of time?

She was scored higher in chakra reserves than Jiraya as well. The Byakugou Seal contains enough chakra to open mutliple dimensions.

And you even went as far and used a rusty and out of chakra Version of Tsunade to make a point.

Mind telling you that Tsunade even landed a hit on one Susano'o and a Wood Clone created by Madara.

- That's like saying "yeah, she fought Kaguya and lost, but hey, that has merit as well ..." Point is, she, and the others, got overpowered by clones. It's not like the only option she had was to be overpowered, you're making it sound like it was impossible to win and the lose itself has merit.

- Sakura's seal, not Tsunade's. Tsunade's seal got spent after healing a village, Sakura healed the whole army of 5 nations with Katsuyu and did what you say with the dimensions, and (honestly, I don't) I don't remember Sakura being recharged in the middle to justify the difference with Tsunade's seal.

- That she was about to be stabbed by Asura? Altough she wasn't in full form, she wasn't visibly tired at that point in time nor crawling in the ground to omit the detail that a path almost rushed her, while her opponent in this fight took 3 of them down.

- See? The combat merits you're bringing to the table are not dying against 5 clones and hitting Susano'o and a wood clone, and you want to put her in the same caliber as someone who actually fought and killed 3 paths of pain with no intel? (and truth to be told, if he fought all 6 of them at that particular moment, all of them would be dead from the Genjutsu). She has good survival feats, I will give you that, but that won't win this fight.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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@Tywin

Sorry, got bored of saying and hearing the same replies over and over.

Blame it on yourself, everything you say has the same answer, and that Tsunade destroys Jiraiya in Taijutsu

 

[MightGai]

Blame it on yourself, everything you say has the same answer, and that Tsunade destroys Jiraiya in Taijutsu

Unless she gets cut in half first :lol

 

[Zetsu God]

Frog Kata negs.

I'm personally on the fence. Do you think Frog Kata can surpass or outlast byakugou?

Her Byakugō allowed her to continuously heal and protect the entire village of Konoha she’s not running out anytime soon.

She doesn't have Katsuyu here according to OP though.

Jiraiya doesn’t have bijuu level chakra. Nobody has except the bijuu.

@ Bold: And Kisame.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I'm personally on the fence. Do you think Frog Kata can surpass or outlast byakugou?

Yes ofc if we consider Jiraiya always has to enter fusion SM to be able to use SM effectively which in turn gives him near unlimited senjutsu chakra. He could simply beat the shit out of Tsunade till she runs out of chakra. Though I doubt it'd take too long for her to use up all her chakra considering SM punches have enough strength to one shot the Pein bodies which were dead to begin with.