Tsunade vs Six Paths of Pain
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Pain mid-diffs worst case.
In short, she has no way to deal with the dog summon nor Deva Path.
All the paths at once would also be quite overwhelming, the sould sucking path could potencially end her during an all out skirmish.
In short, she has no way to deal with the dog summon nor Deva Path.
All the paths at once would also be quite overwhelming, the sould sucking path could potencially end her during an all out skirmish.
KingHashirama
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The scan also proved Tsunade gave no ****s to Jiraiya's claim to killing her xD. ahahahah.
But the same can't be said for Orochimaru when Tsunade said to stop messing with her or she'll kill him.
But the same can't be said for Orochimaru when Tsunade said to stop messing with her or she'll kill him.
Actually youre wrong. Tsunade did reveal something new that fight, byakugou. So my point does stand, new feats arise in new fights.
She didn't get enough fights. She's a hokage so obv she won't have a lot but noone will ever know the depth of any sannin skill set.
Also jiraya would have a hard time beating Tsunade before he resorts to kuchiyose to get his SM. That guy relies so much on his summons. Also refer to below V
Apparently that won't count because Tsunade said that. Lol
KingHashirama
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Byakugo is the pinnacle of her abilities. She had absolutely no reason to hold back against Madara. There are surely a few Jutsu which she didn't show, but in the end, her fighting style is nevertheless based on what she showed so far; on Taijutsu and her regeneration. Pain wrecks her for obvious reasons.
TRE MERCER
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Wrong again. It's the pinnacle of her medical ninjutsu abilities.
You are right, there was no reason. What are the rules of medical ninja? Was she not on a team? If you know anything about that then you will know why she used byakugou no jutsu.
She can have other techniques still besides the techniques she has not shown do not have to be S-ranked like her big dogs. FYI look at body pathway dearrangement we havent seen that more than once she must have more jutsu.
Or you don't have one. I'm going with that. But as you said no explanation needed.
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super yang
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this is the very definition of ''fan-fiction''. its so blatant that its not necessary to counter/debate.
and then U cite another medical jutsu(Ranshinsho) as proof that she has some unseen, direct combat abilities.
your whole post is begging the question
Uhm welcome to NB?
what i said came from the manga. It's definitely not fan-fiction.
Also I mention body pathway dearrangement to show for example just how random it was never to be seen again techniques by ninja can come up out of the blue you don't have to see it all in one fight.
Noone ever does reveal everything at once and if that's their only fight in the manga that doesn't mean thats all they know.
Considering you have nothing to disprove my claims that she could potentially know more techniques and the bulk of my post without trying to follow suit and pull the fan fiction card i advise you to make a good start and answer with substance.
Black Wolf
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Sage Mode Jiraiya outright stated he was outclassed by Animal, Ghost, and Human Realm. He managed to scrape a victory with a Genjutsu he did not even know existed prior to that particular encounter. Tsunade does not hold a candle to Sage Mode Jiraiya - he outclasses her in literally everything barring physical strength, and even there it is only a superfluous advantage. She also does not happen to have two practically Kage-level mounted shoulder cannons nor an insta-kill technique in her back pocket in the form of Frog Song.
Put her in the same situation Jiraiya was in, and she ends up getting distracted by giant summons and soul ripped by Human Path.
Put her in the same situation Jiraiya was in, and she ends up getting distracted by giant summons and soul ripped by Human Path.
Black Wolf
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If by underrating, you mean I'm not giving her top tier speed and access to a variety of imaginary ninjutsu feats she has never shown, then yeah, I am underrating her.
Otherwise, no, I am not underrating her. I am comparing her to Sage Mode Jiraiya, taking note of her significant inferiority in practically everything pertaining to combat, and stating she stands no chance whatsoever when the former admitted he would suffer inevitable defeat if the fight dragged on.
Sage Mode Jiraiya straight up said "at this rate, I will die" against Ghost, Animal, and Human Realm. Sage Jiraiya is faster than her, has top tier physical strength (inferior to Tsunade, but superfluous since he was strong enough to kick around giant summons anyway), a variety of AOE ninjutsu covering both short (Chou Odama Rasengan) and long ranges (Senpo Goemon, a variety of generic Katons, hair needle Jutsu and hair grabbing jutsu).
He has combat oriented giant summon toads, unlike Katsuyu, who has for the most part just been used for healing / support and the one time it was used for combat, it was overwhelmed by Manda even with Gamabunta's help and generally accomplished nothing. He has a OHKO Genjutsu deployed by two Kage level toads who not only act as an extra set of eyes / ears in combat, but also help with elemental attacks, sensing, and distractions (smoke bombs, blocking line-of-sight).
The only thing Tsunade has over Jiraiya is regeneration, and that is bypassed by Human Realm's soul rip.
Otherwise, no, I am not underrating her. I am comparing her to Sage Mode Jiraiya, taking note of her significant inferiority in practically everything pertaining to combat, and stating she stands no chance whatsoever when the former admitted he would suffer inevitable defeat if the fight dragged on.
Sage Mode Jiraiya straight up said "at this rate, I will die" against Ghost, Animal, and Human Realm. Sage Jiraiya is faster than her, has top tier physical strength (inferior to Tsunade, but superfluous since he was strong enough to kick around giant summons anyway), a variety of AOE ninjutsu covering both short (Chou Odama Rasengan) and long ranges (Senpo Goemon, a variety of generic Katons, hair needle Jutsu and hair grabbing jutsu).
He has combat oriented giant summon toads, unlike Katsuyu, who has for the most part just been used for healing / support and the one time it was used for combat, it was overwhelmed by Manda even with Gamabunta's help and generally accomplished nothing. He has a OHKO Genjutsu deployed by two Kage level toads who not only act as an extra set of eyes / ears in combat, but also help with elemental attacks, sensing, and distractions (smoke bombs, blocking line-of-sight).
The only thing Tsunade has over Jiraiya is regeneration, and that is bypassed by Human Realm's soul rip.
Misconception
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The hilarious thing about all of this is Tsunade wouldn't even get as far as SM Jiraiya did. She has no way to detect Animal Path's chameleon, nor can she restrain the Cerberus. Simply hitting (with acid or otherwise) is not an option as it will just multiply like it did against Rasenshuriken. Which pretty much means the Paths could just hang back and let the Cerberus overwhelm her.
I'm well aware of the abilities both shinobi possess when i say you are underrating. Don't have to waste your time trying to tell me things about shinobi i know.
Saying Tsunade can't hold a candle to SM Jiraya is underrating. Especially since kishi gave them both their respective sannin upgrades in shippuden and i see and am pretty sure byakugou Tsunade is on par with jiraya.
I said before wayy back up there jiraya just has summon variety in he has alot of frogs to help his butt.
SM jiraya with ma and pa is pretty much around the same power level as tsunade in byakugou and i repeat i am not looking at it from a vs each other thing. thought if it were to happen that way as well jiraya would still get a run for his money.
Jiraya just uses alot more range than her so people have some illusion he is leagues better and the same goes for any close range fighter against/compared to someone with range.
P.S overwhelmed by manda? Manda could never beat katsuya and im not saying that just because of the deadlock. But this thread is not about that anyway.
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Black Wolf
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None of this really matters in a thread where we are discussing facts, not hypotheticals. This is the same exact thing as "Kakashi's 1000 jutsu" or "Prime Hiruzen." Would be fine to talk about it in Naruto Discussion forum, but in a VS Colosseum, where we are debating objectively, none of this matters.
The fact that you are not looking at it in a VS scenario means it is irrelevant to this entire sub-forum. The problem with hypotheticals is that there is no middle ground for people to intersect and compare arguments. You can literally say whatever you want to say, with no bound whatsoever.
If it were to happen in a VS thread, Tsunade would get murked every single time. She is inferior to Jiraiya in everything except physical strength and regeneration, which does not matter in the face of pseudo-lava techniques and Yomi Numa.
No. Jiraiya as a "alot more" everything than her, there is no illusion except the one you are casting upon yourself.
Jiraiya is faster than her. Jiraya is more versatile than her, with access to Katons, Yomi Numa, hair techniques, Rasengans, Goemon, and more. He has an unescapable Genjutsu in his arsenal. All Tsunade has on him is physical strength, and as I have said, it is superfluous, as Sage Mode Jiraiya's punch will kill the average fighter just as well as Tsunade's punch. Regeneration is the only tangible advantage Tsunade has over Jiraiya, and it has its limits, as seen when Madara relied on Zetsu's arm when he lost his.
Katsuyu's attacks were easily dodged by Manda whilst simultaneously dealing with Gamabunta. He then squeezed her to the point she was forced to divide and from there she accomplished absolutely nothing except stand there and observe the fight. Katsuyu has never been shown to be a combat summon, and only in certain forums will you find people extending her ridiculous battle feats she has never shown in the manga, essentially turning her into a walking no-limits fallacy, much like the Yata Mirror.