[VS] Tsunade vs Kakuzu and hidan

[TheEvilOne]

Sigh, another thread where a ridiculous non-feat for Katsuyu is going to be invoked by this fanboy. Tsunade and Katsuyu are plenty strong as is, they don't need fans like you destroying the credibility of the pro-Tsunade side with absurd and comical "incredible hulks pants are tougher than steel" type arguments. Please, stop it.

Says the one who gave her shadow clones :sy:

 

[Tazzilla88]

You mean like Konohamaru was never showed to fall for Chibaku Tensei? That's a joke. Katsuyu's structure may allow her to tank raw forces to some extent, but there is no evidence letting assume that she could tank fire. Fire kills every being.

No... no it doesn't first counter example of your argument Hidan. Second counter example Kakuzu. Third counter example Sasori. The list can go on. Fire doesn't kill everything in Naruto.


she's withstanded a burning effect before


4 tails

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Katsuyu after 9 tails

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Now in the case of showing how powerful the Kyuubi's chakra is at 4 tails. In the first picture we clearly see that the snake first begins to burn then to melt. The chakra's burn is that intense.

We know that Katsuyu was not protected from the burn though Naruto's clothes were via Katsuyu's statement, as opposed the clothes of characters having several durability feats due to plot no jutsu not wanting butt naked characters running around and displeasing a mostly male fan base. (Choji expands to gigantic proportions without ripping his clothes, Naruto has transformed into one being with Bunta. Naruto creates clones with clothes. Tsunade's clothes stayed intact when she was burned by Madara's katon. Oro and Kabuto keep clothes on when they use Body Replacement. Madara keeps getting clothes back as they were obviously destroyed. Obito's fazing and removing parts and the whole of himself never seem to damage his clothes. Tsunade's heels are hard enough to break solid stone with ease, etc.)

Also we know the burn starts from at the very least Naruto's skin outwards so that she wasn't protected via the Kyuubi cloak according to Jiraiya explaining how the cloak functions.

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[Red Slayer]

Team zombie wins

imo kakuzu solos

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Tsunade has good chances. If Katsuyu can defeat Hidan, then she wins.

 

[Strict]

No... no it doesn't first counter example of your argument Hidan. Second counter example Kakuzu. Third counter example Sasori. The list can go on. Fire doesn't kill everything in Naruto.


she's withstanded a burning effect before


4 tails

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Katsuyu after 9 tails

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It depends on the scale of the Katon. Hidan is an immortal and took a small scaled Katon; Asumas combustion allows to see how much damage this technique has actually made. Kakuzu and Sasori being able to counter or tank fire due to protection, don't make them immune to fire, if the fire would hit Kakuzu, it would burn him, if Katon would hit Sasoris body, it would burn it as well, just as Katsuyu doesn't have defensive feats apart from merely taking the damage. As I said, the mere structure of her body allows Katsuyu to take raw forces, but there is no evidence that her body would be able to resist fire.

When Naruto used his Biju cloak the first time against Orochimaru, his body was left burned, too [

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]. However, when Naruto fought Pain, his body didn't take any burns. It appears that a user of a Biju cloak can determine the cloaks properties, as Bee is also unharmed by wearing it and didn't burn Nagato after hitting him. There is no reason for Katsuyu being burned, if she stayed inside of Narutos wear and latter was unharmed by Kyuubis Chakra.

Fire will definitely burn her.

 

[Tazzilla88]

It depends on the scale of the Katon. Hidan is an immortal and took a small scaled Katon; Asumas combustion allows to see how much damage this technique has actually made. Kakuzu and Sasori being able to counter or tank fire due to protection, don't make them immune to fire, if the fire would hit Kakuzu, it would burn him, if Katon would hit Sasoris body, it would burn it as well, just as Katsuyu doesn't have defensive feats apart from merely taking the damage. As I said, the mere structure of her body allows Katsuyu to take raw forces, but there is no evidence that her body would be able to resist fire.

When Naruto used his Biju cloak the first time against Orochimaru, his body was left burned, too [

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]. However, when Naruto fought Pain, his body didn't take any burns. It appears that a user of a Biju cloak can determine the cloaks properties, as Bee is also unharmed by wearing it and didn't burn Nagato after hitting him. There is no reason for Katsuyu being burned, if she stayed inside of Narutos wear and latter was unharmed by Kyuubis Chakra.

Fire will definitely burn her.

Then to what exactly was the Katsuyu mini referring to when it said it thought it was going to be a goner. Considering, she'd already proven herself capable of withstand extreme gravitational force?

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And with the Kyuubi's chakra being forcibly suppressed it may not have been able to have it's total healing effect on
Naruto. The healing effect described by Jiraiya above.

 

[Strict]

Then to what exactly was the Katsuyu mini referring to when it said it thought it was going to be a goner. Considering, she'd already proven herself capable of withstand extreme gravitational force?

She thought she was a goner as she didn't believe to survive this, doesn't it indicate that Katsuyu didn't believed her defensive capabilities would allow her to survive this? She merely survived Chibaku Tensei because of Naruto, as he was protected by Kuramas chakra and him going on rampage, Katsuyu didn't have to carry as she wouldn't get harmed while being inside of Naruto, who is already fully protected. Don't try to twist facts.

 

[Tazzilla88]

She thought she was a goner as she didn't believe to survive this, doesn't it indicate that Katsuyu didn't believed her defensive capabilities would allow her to survive this? She merely survived Chibaku Tensei because of Naruto, as he was protected by Kuramas chakra and him going on rampage, Katsuyu didn't have to carry as she wouldn't get harmed while being inside of Naruto, who is already fully protected. Don't try to twist facts.

I'm a bit confused. Of her own free volition in multiple places throughout Konoha and doubtlessly the epi-center of chou shinra tensei she withstood that gravity based attack. Chibaku Tensei is simply those gravitational powers in reverse. There is no conceivable reason that should have worried her. And when Naruto's cloak doesn't protect him, or at least harms him which evident from the blood that was mixed with the chakra why would Katsuyu be protected by it?

 

[Strict]

I'm a bit confused. Of her own free volition in multiple places throughout Konoha and doubtlessly the epi-center of chou shinra tensei she withstood that gravity based attack. Chibaku Tensei is simply those gravitational powers in reverse. There is no conceivable reason that should have worried her. And when Naruto's cloak doesn't protect him, or at least harms him which evident from the blood that was mixed with the chakra why would Katsuyu be protected by it?

Chibaku Tensei attracts the surroundings and compresses it into a massive sphere, the gravitation of Chibaku Tensei doesn't kill you, but the masses of the surroundings you get buried it or rather compressed with. Katsuyu didn't protect people that stand in the center of Shinra Tensei but those who were far away, there was already shown a bunch of people who stand near the center of Shinra Tensei but weren't protected [

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]. In addition, Tsunade resolved her seal in order to give all the chakra she collected next to Katsuyu. Another factor is the angle in which Shinra Tensei hits you. Using a strong repulsive force, Nagato destroyed a forest but merely pushed away Bee and Naruto without actually harming them, as the force pushed them into a certain direction. Staying in the center, even Katsuyu would turn to paste, as she wouldn't have a chance to be pushed away in a free atmosphere but would be pushed right into the ground without the possibility to escape the permanent pressure that loads on her.

 

[Zexion~]

That giant slug b_tch can't be killed by normal physical attack. She tanked the Cho Shinra Tensei and the the 9 tails corrosive chakra. And she can split into 99+ mini slugs, so hitting her won't be easy.
She is a slug, but definitely not a SLOW slug. When Tsunade summoned her ( Pain's attack ) she reached the villagers in SECONDS.

thats because it exploded? btw dont give me bad rep saying im a kakuzu fan how does that get you bad rep even if i wasnt a kakuzu fan i would still think hed beat tsunade she could not beat ONE person in the akatsuki besides zetsu so please dont go being ignorant

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

but this thread has already been done and itachi style hates kakuzu tsunade loses EASILY

thats because it exploded? btw dont give me bad rep saying im a kakuzu fan how does that get you bad rep even if i wasnt a kakuzu fan i would still think hed beat tsunade she could not beat ONE person in the akatsuki besides zetsu so please dont go being ignorant

I suppose that guy neg reped you 'cause you said Kakuzu wins EASILY. And I totally agree with him.

 

[Zexion~]

but its true tho ? just like kisame could beat tsunade am i a kisame fan boy no or how bout itachi nope still not a fanboy fanboying would be saying kakuzu could stomp kyuubi or madara but no its tsunade a not so strong character soo please learn the meaning of fanboying before you accuse me of it because both of you are now ignorant ive posted the reasons kakuzu would win if you dont want too see the truth than stay ignorant thats your problem

 

[RicardoA]

With Katsuyu of course she wins. The slug stomps Hidan while he laughs like a maniac, and Tsunade can defeat Kakuzu, plus with Katsuyu help even better chances.

 

[ItachiStyle]

I'm a bit confused. Of her own free volition in multiple places throughout Konoha and doubtlessly the epi-center of chou shinra tensei she withstood that gravity based attack. Chibaku Tensei is simply those gravitational powers in reverse. There is no conceivable reason that should have worried her. And when Naruto's cloak doesn't protect him, or at least harms him which evident from the blood that was mixed with the chakra why would Katsuyu be protected by it?

God, your lies are tired. She was not near "The epicenter", the epicenter was hundreds of feet in the air far away from her... the epicentre would be 2 feet away... and if she was that distance from it she'd probably be crushed to paste. The rest she "withstood" safely protected under Naruto's chakra cloak (which protected all his clothes and affects too). And no, she did not demo some kind of fire resistance because she was under the chakra cloak, no more than Naruto's clothes and affects did...we don't even see the chakra cloak touch her, she's just snug within his jacket under the cloak. Jesus.

 

[kajiko]

Zonbi Konbi FTW!!!

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

God, your lies are tired. She was not near "The epicenter", the epicenter was hundreds of feet in the air far away from her... the epicentre would be 2 feet away... and if she was that distance from it she'd probably be crushed to paste. The rest she "withstood" safely protected under Naruto's chakra cloak (which protected all his clothes and affects too). And no, she did not demo some kind of fire resistance because she was under the chakra cloak, no more than Naruto's clothes and affects did...we don't even see the chakra cloak touch her, she's just snug within his jacket under the cloak. Jesus.

She was in the epicenter. Should I give a manga scan where Tsunade jumps towards Pain?

 

[ItachiStyle]

Not at all. I think earth spear is ridiculously overrated, it has almost no feats (and the "diamond hard" is from the notoriously unreliable databook, in other words meaningless). Further to that, even if it isn't, Tsunade has multiple ways of trashing Kakuzu.
1) She's got lightning affinity, so there goes Earth Spear,
2) Her Medical jutsu attacks beneath skin level, going for the nerves, so hard skin doesn't protect from it,
3) Her physical strength alone is shown to trash things tougher than Earth Spear, like being able to crack Susanoo (remember that thing that tanks Kirrin, even when it is in the invisible stage, something that would one shot Earth Spear regardless of affinity)
4) She can reverse his electrical impulses, which his tough skin is again no defence to.
That says nothing about the giant slug that shoots huge quantities of acid, or her physical strength that will let her bat him around effortlessly (or just poke his frickin eyes out). I get annoyed by Kakuzu fans though... if earth spear was half as tough as they claimed, Kakuzu wouldn't spend so much time dodging attacks, or be getting nailed destroyed by Rasengan didn't have affinity advantage, or losing multiple hearts to frickin TenTen).

Given her chakra levels, which are enormous, there's no reason she couldn't make a Kage Bushin, send one to deal with Hidan (that'll take all of what, 30 seconds), and then go finish off Kakuzu. She's one of the better hand to hand combantants we know, so there's no reason to think Hidan is hitting her, and once he's disarmed and ripped into bits, she can toss him into different mini-katsuyu's for safe keeping (not before reversing the electrical impulses in his brain so he can't say anything annoying for the rest of the fight).

The she goes and finishes off Kakuzu, who is strong, but has nothing to take down someone with Tsunade like durability and recovery. He also gets hit by fodders alot, and is not especially good at close fighting. Fight over. Problems?

Nobody has replied to this I see.

 

[ItachiStyle]

She was in the epicenter. Should I give a manga scan where Tsunade jumps towards Pain?

Oh, please do. In fact, let me help you:

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As you'll see, while Tsunade is "moving towards" Pain, there is no evidence she is anywhere near the epicentre (which is nowhere near the Hokage mansion). And this is about Katsuyu, not Tsunade... it's very clear Katsuyu is nowhere near the epicentre (hundreds of feet in the air in the centre of the village).

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

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As you'll see, while Tsunade is "moving towards" Pain, there is no evidence she is anywhere near the epicentre (which is nowhere near the Hokage mansion). And this is about Katsuyu, not Tsunade... it's very clear Katsuyu is nowhere near the epicentre (hundreds of feet in the air in the centre of the village).

1. Sorry, I thought we are talking about Tsunade.
2. Tsunade was near the epicenter. Due to her perfect chakra control, she can jump higher then the normal ninjas. Remember when in the part1 she jumped high enough with Gamabunta's sword to deal with Manda.

 

[ItachiStyle]

You have no evidence she was near the epicentre. We just covered this. She was moving towards him, but that could have been anywhere in the village. And again with the "perfect chakra control" that is some line from the databook, and means nothing in these fights. You get burnt on Tsunade so many times, yet the lesson never seems to sink in... remember when you were claiming she was immune to genjutsu too? Shh.