Tsunade VS kakashi

[MinatoFLASH]

Hidden mist, Kakashi can't see through it either, mud wall can be destroyed, water dragon you have that one...now when I said nameless I was obviously talking about the one's we haven't seen so what I'm saying is the whold 1000 justu argument is not very plausable in an argument just in case people say "well he has 1000 jutsu he could probably do this or that" that type of thing. I wasn't talking about what he has in his arsonal and based on the majority of the combat based ninjutsu he uses, that aren't his sigs or more used techniques, they range from D-B (note I said aside from his more used techniques) which we can expect the rest of his techniques to be around that genreal level seeing as A and up are generally unique to the user. Now what I'm saying again isn't quantity but quality. Yeah Kakashi has more jutsu and yes they are high level but if you look at the techniques Tsunade has and the way she's used her medical nin you can't really say Kakashi's ninjutsu is superior to hers.

But you haven't seen any except 1 and if you want to go by databooks standards for this look at Gai's data for genjutsu and look at Sakura's when she was a genin both were labled 3, Sakura was caught in D-ranked genjutsu so you could say Gai get's caught in D-rank? maybe that's a possibility however you can't really say he can use this or that in terms of casting genjutsu of all levels (or at least up to B-rank) without seeing techniques other then D-rank. I'm not saying that she's better or equal, databook says it but you don't see him using genjutsu all that often (after that first use actually, correct me if I'm wrong)

If you want to use databooks for one part, you have to even it out and use it for the other parts as well, "based on the databooks, Tsunade has better taijutsu..." so you can't call on the books for one and not do the same for the others buddy and even so do you see Kakashi beating Lee or Gai in taijutsu? Could you see Tsunade (I can't but I can see her putting up a better physical match then Kakashi). Also, don't forget the medic's code, their trained in defensive combat so it's safe to say Tsunade is a very good defensive fighter and if he ever decides to get close enough to the point she could strike him, he's done.

You should've said tactics and I could give that to you as Kakashi seems more like a tactical fighter, however Tsunade is knowledgable of Kakashi's skills and she plays more of a defensive roll as a figher either way so you.

I really want to hear your explination as to why you think Kakashi has more experience, enlighten me, also you're confusing me as to saying that Kage usually have more experience? So what are you saying, does Kakashi have more or less experince then her and don't make arrogant comments like you could prove me wrong but you won't because that doesn't add to the conversation and it makes you sound like you're trying to puff out your chest.

Can't assume Kakashi can get her easily with a clone as she most likely knows of his abilities, him having worked under her for quite a while now, Creation rebirth for the lightning argument you said and Kamui, pending on the speed (which has increased I will admit) could be rendered useless by a simple thing (I've already mentioned)

If he uses 1000 years of death on her she...that'll be a hell of a sight to see Kakashi sticking his fingers up the ass of his superior, especially a 54 year old woman...good luck with that kakashi Lol I know what you mean but now you're just being funny lol.

No databooks has them both at 5 on taijutsu but Kakashi is better, he even fights Guy with taijutsu all the time, i doubt he used stuff like Chidori on him, we both agree on genjutsu, Kakashi is better at ninjutsu, not in power or even quality, but in this fight yes, because being only short ranged is a HUGE disadvantage against Kakashi. Unless your super fast like Guy or Raikage.

How wud she not fall for a clone?? Dude everyone does, he just follows orders from her, he doesn't train with her and even if he did I can see Tsunade falling for it, everyone does!

I see what your sayin bro. Its not correct to conclude Kakashi is better in a 1v1 just yet becuz we have only seen defense from Tsunade really. But for now until more is revealed Kakashi has the upper hand in the fight.

 

[waap126]

im still go with tsunade..she had great ervice to konoha

 

[sG Taka]

No databooks has them both at 5 on taijutsu but Kakashi is better, he even fights Guy with taijutsu all the time, i doubt he used stuff like Chidori on him, we both agree on genjutsu, Kakashi is better at ninjutsu, not in power or even quality, but in this fight yes, because being only short ranged is a HUGE disadvantage against Kakashi. Unless your super fast like Guy or Raikage.

How wud she not fall for a clone?? Dude everyone does, he just follows orders from her, he doesn't train with her and even if he did I can see Tsunade falling for it, everyone does!

I see what your sayin bro. Its not correct to conclude Kakashi is better in a 1v1 just yet becuz we have only seen defense from Tsunade really. But for now until more is revealed Kakashi has the upper hand in the fight.

Just pointing out that in the databook Kakashi has a 4.5 in Taijutsu..while Tsunade has a 5. They're not the same.

 

[Reborn]

No databooks has them both at 5 on taijutsu but Kakashi is better, he even fights Guy with taijutsu all the time, i doubt he used stuff like Chidori on him, we both agree on genjutsu, Kakashi is better at ninjutsu, not in power or even quality, but in this fight yes, because being only short ranged is a HUGE disadvantage against Kakashi. Unless your super fast like Guy or Raikage.

How wud she not fall for a clone?? Dude everyone does, he just follows orders from her, he doesn't train with her and even if he did I can see Tsunade falling for it, everyone does!

I see what your sayin bro. Its not correct to conclude Kakashi is better in a 1v1 just yet becuz we have only seen defense from Tsunade really. But for now until more is revealed Kakashi has the upper hand in the fight.

Yeah I gotta go so I'll make this my last statement for the day. Databooks has Kakashi at a 4.5 for taijutsu and when you spar, it's different from when you're fighting full on. From what you're saying it sounds more like Gai's fighting Kakashi with the gates full blast. I know that's not what you're trying to say but remember sparing and all out is diff, you use control when sparing. However Gai is deff holding back when he spars with kakashi (also their "rivalry" sounds more like meanigless little games but I don't doubt that they fight...I'm also wondering if gai was blowing steam when he said he always used to beat Kakashi during the chuunin exams...most likly rightxd).

Genjutsu yes.

Ninjutsu if you're talking about battle purposes, for the moment yes but Tsunade's medical jutsu keeps her at fine level with kakashi even if it's not offensive because it keeps her alive and durrable for the battle while Kakshi expends chakra for his jutsu. Short ranged isn't a disadvantage as she'll most likly be defending for the most part and she wants him at a distance so he can't use his stronger techniques (Kamui being the exception being an all ranged use however I've explained my piece on that)

There are records of shinobi skills and obviously Tsunade must know about the skills of her subordinates, how would she know who to put on certian missions if she didn't know shinobi specific skill sets and Kakashi's technique (hide behind a clone for a moment) isn't very hard to figure out Choza already knew about how Kakashi fought, Tsunade being Hokage should have good knowledge of Kakashi's abilities not only for that but for his repuation. It's not a one way street though both being from Konoha and Tsunade being the sexy Sannin she is known for her abilities so they both have knowledge on each other (I always assume in vs threads that each party has equal knowledge of each other if it's never specified).

Conclusion before I go, Kakashi is going to be the offender, Tsunade is the defender and each of them are very powerful in both of those levels and it leads me to a stalemate at the moment, I'm only defending Tsunade as people underestimate her too much and I'm very anxious to see the chapters be brought back to the Kage and Madara fight.

I have to go, do with this as you may but I probably won't be on the base that much untill the weekend because of school so if I don't remember this, this will probably be my last statement until this topic comes up again (because threads are never repeated on Narutobase) or if this one is still alive (I doubt it, most vs threads don't live past 3 or four days at the longest, more contriversial ones last longer of course)

Anyway Good Night Narutbobase.

 

[Daewrythe]

I've always found topics like this kinda one-ended and pointless to be honest. People insist upon having character battles with characters we haven't seen fight at their max potential. We've seen the extent of Kakashi's abilities, hell we've seen him die, so yeah we can assess his potential in a hypothetical battle. However, Tsunade has really only been in what....1 fight? And that fight was when all 3 combatants were severely handicapped. Once we see Tsunade fight against Madara we can judge, but going by what we have seen from her so far, I think Tsnuade would outlast him simply because of her regeneration. I mean Kakashi knows about her ability so I guess his only option would be to decapitate her. With his speed I guess it is POSSIBLE to decapitate Tsunade, but highly unlikely. If he Kamui'd her head off...that could be kinda cool but once again, very difficult to do and takes quite a bit of his chakra.

 

[Sataniclion]

i say kakashi because tsunade really isnt a fighter all we have seen her do is slow (but powerful) punches. kakashi has the sharingan so he should be able to read her movements in close combat pretty easy because he is so much faster than her to begin with. she does have the diamond thing on her forehead plus a giant summon so i think it would still be close but kakashi wins. tsunade is a healer and kakashi is more a fighter :\

 

[Bluedevil]

People seem to over rate the MS. It is a one/two shot thing. tsunade's release causes her to rapidly regenerate cells (this is even more powerful then Oro's oral rebirth) which causes you to completely heal all wounds. If she was hit by kumi then she would just heal from it because kakashi can't warp an entire body(not enough chakara/physical stamina). so Kumi is not effective. then we have his 1000's of other earth, water, and lighting jitsu which are not as powerful as Kumi. SO .... I go the 5th

 

[Alkaiser]

Man am getting annoyed with kakashi fans lol even though I am one. There is no way in hell that kakashi can defeat tsunade come on the only opportunity kakashi has with defeating tsunade is his kamui and that only works if a shinobi is staying still or attacking him in a straight lane. Kakashi fans tell me if tsunade summons her huge slug what can kakashi possibly do please answer this. Would he use lightening blade against a gigantic slug, please nothing would work against her summon. If its Itachi or saskue a real uchia then thats a different story. Tsunade is a sannin and she knows all kakashi moves including the Ms. A ninja that has low stamina and chakara reserves needs to kill his opponent in and instant and that would not work on the princess due to her genesis rebirth. All tsunade has to do is wore out kakashi and summon her huge slug and the match would be over. AS a kakashi fan I would say this over and over he is overrated and he is no way at kage level it was just given to him because there was no one left for the job since Jirayia is dead. Naruto was way to young and vulnerable since he is a Jinchuuriki.

What if he kills her b4 she summons the slug, what if he uses a shadowclone to confront her head on and snipes her with kamui from his real body, so far alls we've seen from tsunade is her strength and her ability to heal. I'm not gonna say kakashi win's easily, but at the same time Kakashi doesn't lose easily, It'd be a fight that could reallly go either way. Until we see something more from tsunade then I can heal and i can punch I'm going with kakashi.

 

[NLee]

Well guys ... i had a bit of argument with a guy ( HokageKid ) on the base ... who stated that tsunade is immortal and she is better then kakashi ... and she is a better hokage then he will / probably is ! So i want to know ur opinions about who u think will win in a direct fight !

Count the fight with kabuto in early anime , count the reaction to pain in the wipe out of konoha , and keep count of kakashi battles and his skiles !

Both are 100% and kakashi has MS !

Kakashi couldn't beat Tsunade.

Whatever damage Kakashi does to Tsunade, including a killshot with the Chidori, Tsunade can regenerate with her Genesis of Rebirth.

Kakashi's 1000's of techniques does him absolutely no good because whatever she gets hit with she'll just regenerate.

And don't forget Tsunade also has Lightning natured chakra. One well placed strike to Kakashi's neck and he'll be scrambling on the floor. That's the only opening she'd need to crush him

 

[Noble Armada]

People greatly underestimate Tsunade's speed, power, and regenerative abilities. In her fight with Kabuto and Orochimaru, she healed herself of several fatal injuries and a crippling fear and STILL went on to save Naruto and kick Orochimaru's ass. AND his pet snake's. In the fight with pain, she protected almost an ENTIRE VILLAGE against a massive shockwave attack, where Kakashi couldn't even successfully take out one of Pain's bodies. Keep in mind that, though it's rarely shown, hand-to-hand combat is an extremely large and common part of fighting; Tsunade clearly outstrips Kakashi in this aspect, and one punch from her could prove fatal. Who's to say she couldn't use a medical technique to end his life with a simple touch?

Many may argue that Kamui is Kakashi's trump card, and yes, it is an extremely powerful technique. However, as demonstrated against Deidara, it takes time to prepare and is difficult to aim on an erratically moving target. Even then, with her monstrous strength, Tsunade could easily hurl a boulder in the way or even at him to crush him.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kakashi is extremely powerful and could provide an entertaining match for her, but there is a reason she has so many missions under her belt. According to the Naruto databook: 40 D-rank, 236 C-rank, 467 B-rank, 418 A-rank, and 95 S-rank. Kakashi has 197 D-rank, 190 C-rank, 414 B-rank, 298 A-rank, and 42 S-rank. There it is.

I think Tsunade would trounce Kakashi.

 

[Noble Armada]

)) yeah ... i was mad about the idea that hokagekid ... thinks kakashi is lower then tsunade .. or that tsunade is a better hokage then kakashi .

Tsunade IS a better ninja AND Hokage than Kakashi would have been. Raikiri and Kamui are not end all techniques. If you think Kakashi would break her with a close range taijutsu, think again. She pulled a kunai BY THE RING out of Naruto's hand (albeit he sucked at that point, but still)! And yes, Kamui poses a threat, but I still stand by the fact that while Tsunade does not have phenomenal speed, she has enough speed and smarts to get around that technique. Also keep in mind that if she blocks his field of vision, he's screwed. She could use a smoke ball or smash the earth to make a crater. AND if she uses poisoned kunai and senbon like Sakura did, then that makes her dangerous at long range also.

Tsunade would not lose.

 

[Noble Armada]

i say kakashi because tsunade really isnt a fighter all we have seen her do is slow (but powerful) punches. kakashi has the sharingan so he should be able to read her movements in close combat pretty easy because he is so much faster than her to begin with. she does have the diamond thing on her forehead plus a giant summon so i think it would still be close but kakashi wins. tsunade is a healer and kakashi is more a fighter :\

Her punches aren't actually that slow...even Kabuto commented that her speed was superior.

 

[Noble Armada]

What if he kills her b4 she summons the slug, what if he uses a shadowclone to confront her head on and snipes her with kamui from his real body, so far alls we've seen from tsunade is her strength and her ability to heal. I'm not gonna say kakashi win's easily, but at the same time Kakashi doesn't lose easily, It'd be a fight that could reallly go either way. Until we see something more from tsunade then I can heal and i can punch I'm going with kakashi.

Kamui is no more a snipe move than Tsunade possesses a Sharingan. A clone would not be able to distract Tsunade long enough for Sasuke to pull off a Kamui and even if he manages to try it, the clone would obscure his vision. It's not plausible to say that Kamui is that easy to get off. And Kakashi wouldn't throw it around right at the start; it's entirely possible that Tsunade could beat him before he had the chance.

 

[Ultimatevirus]

???? wth tsunade is underrated.... tsunade will win for sure.... no doubt about it

 

[Tylor]

I think Kakashi,at everything except medical jutsu..He beats her in all other departments except breast size

 

[Noble Armada]

I think Kakashi,at everything except medical jutsu..He beats her in all other departments except breast size

Are you kidding? Yes, he has more ninjutsu, but she beats him in stamina, strength, and taijutsu. AND her summoning is bigger.

 

[NLee]

People greatly underestimate Tsunade's speed, power, and regenerative abilities. In her fight with Kabuto and Orochimaru, she healed herself of several fatal injuries and a crippling fear and STILL went on to save Naruto and kick Orochimaru's ass. AND his pet snake's. In the fight with pain, she protected almost an ENTIRE VILLAGE against a massive shockwave attack, where Kakashi couldn't even successfully take out one of Pain's bodies. Keep in mind that, though it's rarely shown, hand-to-hand combat is an extremely large and common part of fighting; Tsunade clearly outstrips Kakashi in this aspect, and one punch from her could prove fatal. Who's to say she couldn't use a medical technique to end his life with a simple touch?

Many may argue that Kamui is Kakashi's trump card, and yes, it is an extremely powerful technique. However, as demonstrated against Deidara, it takes time to prepare and is difficult to aim on an erratically moving target. Even then, with her monstrous strength, Tsunade could easily hurl a boulder in the way or even at him to crush him.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kakashi is extremely powerful and could provide an entertaining match for her, but there is a reason she has so many missions under her belt. According to the Naruto databook: 40 D-rank, 236 C-rank, 467 B-rank, 418 A-rank, and 95 S-rank. Kakashi has 197 D-rank, 190 C-rank, 414 B-rank, 298 A-rank, and 42 S-rank. There it is.

I think Tsunade would trounce Kakashi.

Tsunade IS a better ninja AND Hokage than Kakashi would have been. Raikiri and Kamui are not end all techniques. If you think Kakashi would break her with a close range taijutsu, think again. She pulled a kunai BY THE RING out of Naruto's hand (albeit he sucked at that point, but still)! And yes, Kamui poses a threat, but I still stand by the fact that while Tsunade does not have phenomenal speed, she has enough speed and smarts to get around that technique. Also keep in mind that if she blocks his field of vision, he's screwed. She could use a smoke ball or smash the earth to make a crater. AND if she uses poisoned kunai and senbon like Sakura did, then that makes her dangerous at long range also.

Tsunade would not lose.

Her punches aren't actually that slow...even Kabuto commented that her speed was superior.

Kamui is no more a snipe move than Tsunade possesses a Sharingan. A clone would not be able to distract Tsunade long enough for Sasuke to pull off a Kamui and even if he manages to try it, the clone would obscure his vision. It's not plausible to say that Kamui is that easy to get off. And Kakashi wouldn't throw it around right at the start; it's entirely possible that Tsunade could beat him before he had the chance.

It's called use the damn edit button. Don't post half a dozen times in a row in a pathetic attempt to rack up your post count. Nobody wants to see it and it takes up space.

 

[Tylor]

SHE MIGH BE A sannin,but sheis still a medical nin.Kakashi has sharigan,etc..he could beat her befor the could even close the gap.Kakashi is far better a nin.Also he has speed she can't compare too.

 

[Luther]

Kakashi is overatted him himself said he didnt want to be hokage and said tsunade is better he said this when she woke up kamui is the only thing to watch out after then nothing

 

[Better]

Tsunade would win

how is kakashi going to counter katsuya?