Tsunade Versus Gokage Analysis

[RedRobin]

Which is irrelevant to your actual claim, that she absorbs physical attacks "just cuz". Could a mattress of that size be moved? Yes. With a strong enough physical strike. There is no special attribute that makes Katsuyu immune to the laws of physics.

No, it's a trash point. Again, you are showing that you have no idea what you are talking about. Don't argue things you can't understand. :lol Her being able to shield Naruto from the impact of the fall doesn't translate to her being able to take a physical strike and not budge at all given the strike is strong enough to move something of her weight.
-Katsuyu cushioning Naruto from the fall means that the force from the fall can't pass through Katsuyu and hurt Naruto because she is too durable+her boneless nature.

It moved. :lol There is no arguing against that. It's head was in it's regular position before Ay Karate Chopped it, and it moved downwards after he Karate Chopped it. Not to mention this wasn't the only piece of evidence. Is this all you two can do? Deny deny deny and make stuff up? My god. Why don't you go address my post to YOU instead of trying to help Tazilla push this dumb point? I'm extremely curious on what nonsense you'll bring up next to prove Tsunade can keep up with Ay's top speed.

The biggest portion she can summon alone is the one she traditionally summons in the Manga. :lol Nothing more, nothing less.

-Objects withstand force because of durability.
-None of this means you are immune to being pushed by a physical force as that relies on weight and the force hitting you. Not durability.

I am not saying she is immune to those laws simply her weight plus that ability make it so Ay cant move her. Her weight is relevant to show how much of an impact she made with the drop. Of course that doesnt make sense as that wasnt what I was talking about, what I was saying was Big Katsuyu's weight(Which is scaled based on the segment's weight) as well as her ability wouldnt allow Ay to move her. I agree he could move a smaller Katsuyu sure.

"Cant pass through Katsuyu and hurt Naruto" is another way of saying she absorbed the impact. Her being able to absorb impacts means she will absorb the impact of Ay's attack a his hand simply push into her body like Naruto's body did and once its absorbed there is nothing left that is making her move.

It moved because Hachibi winced from the pain of having its horn cut off. I dont understand how you think Ay moved the Hachibi when he went through him. But again if I agreed with that claim it showed Ay being able to move the head of Hachibi while that doesnt compare to Katsuyu who again is one big mass where he has no place to hit to drag the rest of the body.

The other post is coming.

The biggest portion she can summon in base.

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two could summon 10% so the portion I highlighted(5%) can be summoned by one of them.

I am not saying Katsuyu cant be moved, Ay cant move her because of her ability and her weight and simply based on the weight argument he has never shown to be able to move something her size. Overall I think that was a very stupid point to even start on.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Except Tsunade doesn't need to jump. She has been shown to summon Katsuyu at places besides directly under her. She shows up wherever Tsunade wants her. Oh and the data boom entry on food art destroyer says all ranges. So how is Ay going to dodge an instant thing again? He doesn't have the feats.


Doesn't matter if it's Ay v Katsuyu. That's a part of Tsunade's power. Period.

 

[KidGamer65]

I am not saying she is immune to those laws simply her weight plus that ability make it so Ay cant move her. Her weight is relevant to show how much of an impact she made with the drop. Of course that doesnt make sense as that wasnt what I was talking about, what I was saying was Big Katsuyu's weight(Which is scaled based on the segment's weight) as well as her ability wouldnt allow Ay to move her. I agree he could move a smaller Katsuyu sure.

If this is your argument now lol) then you are wrong as Ay and people far weaker have shown feats that let him move Bijuu sized objects with his physical power as already explained in my post to your partner in crime.

"Cant pass through Katsuyu and hurt Naruto" is another way of saying she absorbed the impact. Her being able to absorb impacts means she will absorb the impact of Ay's attack a his hand simply push into her body like Naruto's body did and once its absorbed there is nothing left that is making her move.

Yes, it is, but that's irrelevant to the actual fact that this function is completely different than taking a force and not budging. :lol

It moved because Hachibi winced from the pain of having its horn cut off. I dont understand how you think Ay moved the Hachibi when he went through him. But again if I agreed with that claim it showed Ay being able to move the head of Hachibi while that doesnt compare to Katsuyu who again is one big mass where he has no place to hit to drag the rest of the body.

What? No. It moved because Ay hit it. Wincing in pain and actually being forced down are two completely different reactions. :lol Wow. It's amazing how you will blatantly lie and twist what occurs on panel to fit your agenda. Don't address this point again if you aren't going to address everything that has been said on said topic. Jiraiya was tossing giant summons around dozens of meters. KN0 Naruto was smacking giant snakes around. Neither of them are as strong as Ay, and in Naruto's case it's not even close. Him not being able to make Katsuyu budge is probably the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread, and that's honestly saying something with the nonsense you two have posted in the past 5 pages.

The biggest portion she can summon in base.

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two could summon 10% so the portion I highlighted(5%) can be summoned by one of them.

No, because by herself we have already seen what she can summon. Two being able to call 10% thus one can call 5 is a conclusion that directly contradicts what the Manga shows. 5 Bijuu can make a Bijuu dwarfing Bijuu Dama yet on their own all they have shown is standard sized BD. Kurama is the only BIjuu bar Juubi that can make Super Sized BD's. :lol So this logic doesn't work here.

That or either what we've seen in the Manga is 5% Katsuyu and your size scaling is simply inaccurate.

I am not saying Katsuyu cant be moved, Ay cant move her because of her ability and her weight and simply based on the weight argument he has never shown to be able to move something her size. Overall I think that was a very stupid point to even start on.

Then you are wrong as usual because I've already shown why Ay can move something as large as Katsuyu, and as usual you've failed to actually address it with something that makes an iota of sense.

Except Tsunade doesn't need to jump. She has been shown to summon Katsuyu at places besides directly under her. She shows up wherever Tsunade wants her. Oh and the data boom entry on food art destroyer says all ranges. So how is Ay going to dodge an instant thing again? He doesn't have the feats.

I'll wait for you to post scans of her summoning Katsuyu at long-mid range. Food Cart Destroyer is nothing but a summoning on top of a target. Whenever used by Naruto, Jiraiya or Minato the summoner is always on top of the summon because they summon it right under themselves. :lol Stop trying to make shit up and just admit you make no sense. DB listing it all ranges doesn't change what is shown in the Manga. Amaterasu is listed short range, yet it's been used from all ranges in the Manga.

From a neutral distance how does Tsunade deal with a V2 off the bat attack? Oh wait. She doesn't. :lol

 

[Tazzilla88]

If this is your argument now lol) then you are wrong as Ay and people far weaker have shown feats that let him move Bijuu sized objects with his physical power as already explained in my post to your partner in crime.



Yes, it is, but that's irrelevant to the actual fact that this function is completely different than taking a force and not budging. :lol



What? No. It moved because Ay hit it. Wincing in pain and actually being forced down are two completely different reactions. :lol Wow. It's amazing how you will blatantly lie and twist what occurs on panel to fit your agenda. Don't address this point again if you aren't going to address everything that has been said on said topic. Jiraiya was tossing giant summons around dozens of meters. KN0 Naruto was smacking giant snakes around. Neither of them are as strong as Ay, and in Naruto's case it's not even close. Him not being able to make Katsuyu budge is probably the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread, and that's honestly saying something with the nonsense you two have posted in the past 5 pages.




No, because by herself we have already seen what she can summon. Two being able to call 10% thus one can call 5 is a conclusion that directly contradicts what the Manga shows. 5 Bijuu can make a Bijuu dwarfing Bijuu Dama yet on their own all they have shown is standard sized BD. Kurama is the only BIjuu bar Juubi that can make Super Sized BD's. :lol So this logic doesn't work here.

That or either what we've seen in the Manga is 5% Katsuyu and your size scaling is simply inaccurate.



Then you are wrong as usual because I've already shown why Ay can move something as large as Katsuyu, and as usual you've failed to actually address it with something that makes an iota of sense.



I'll wait for you to post scans of her summoning Katsuyu at long-mid range. Food Cart Destroyer is nothing but a summoning on top of a target. Whenever used by Naruto, Jiraiya or Minato the summoner is always on top of the summon because they summon it right under themselves. :lol Stop trying to make shit up and just admit you make no sense. DB listing it all ranges doesn't change what is shown in the Manga. Amaterasu is listed short range, yet it's been used from all ranges in the Manga.

From a neutral distance how does Tsunade deal with a V2 off the bat attack? Oh wait. She doesn't. :lol

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what's a neutral distance. What distance is she able to react from? I don't know because you never stated it. Go ahead and argue with the datebook now, in this specific instance when any other time you'd accept it

 

[KidGamer65]

what's a neutral distance. What distance is she able to react from? I don't know because you never stated it. ������ Go ahead and argue with the datebook now, in this specific instance when any other time you'd accept it

A neutral distance? A neutral distance is between 10 and 20m, 25 if pushing it. That's how far apart most battles in this Manga begin. Where she is able to react from isn't my job to prove. All I need to argue for is where she can't react from or where she can't counter attack from. Stop waiting for me to prove your argument for you clown.


And can you shut up already? Why don't you just disprove what I said about the technique instead of crying? The Manga specifically shows that the summoner summons the summon UNDER THEM. Period. I don't accept your argument because it's trash. Simple as that. Didn't you say Tsunade can and has summoned Katsuyu at any range? Why don't you just post those scans to shut me up since you think you are right? Oh wait, I know, because you don't make sense.

Absolute joke of a poster.

 

[Tazzilla88]

A neutral distance? A neutral distance is between 10 and 20m, 25 if pushing it. That's how far apart most battles in this Manga begin. Where she is able to react from isn't my job to prove. All I need to argue for is where she can't react from or where she can't counter attack from. Stop waiting for me to prove your argument for you clown.


And can you shut up already? Why don't you just disprove what I said about the technique instead of crying? The Manga specifically shows that the summoner summons the summon UNDER THEM. Period. I don't accept your argument because it's trash. Simple as that. Didn't you say Tsunade can and has summoned Katsuyu at any range? Why don't you just post those scans to shut me up since you think you are right? Oh wait, I know, because you don't make sense.

Absolute joke of a poster.

Well, because you just violated your own argument and you're scrambling like Trump trying to answer in depth policy questions.

The databook tells you what the jutsu can do. Written by Kishimoto. Who knows more about the jutsu than you.

You just lost, admit it.

 

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Lmfao, this gif is funny af.

OT: (Not interested in debating this)

Onoki and Gaara destroy Tsunade.
I THINK, Tsunade can possibly beat Ay. Possibly.
Tsunade beats Mei.

Top Tier: Gaara and Onoki
Middle Tier: Ay and Tsunade
Bottom Tier: Mei

Thats the way I personally see it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well, because you just violated your own argument and you're scrambling like Trump trying to answer in depth policy questions.

The databook tells you what the jutsu can do. Written by Kishimoto. Who knows more about the jutsu than you.

You just lost, admit it.

The Manga has shown what the jutsu can do, and it's not what you want it to be. The same Manga written solely by Kishimoto. Databook is flat out wrong when it contradicts what the Manga has shown. DB lists Madara as the only user of Perfect Susanoo. By your shitty logic it's true because it's the databook despite the Manga proving it wrong.

This argument has been over. That's why all you can do is lie about what occurs on panel. Where are these scans of Tsunade summoning Katsuyu wherever she wants? Oh wait, they don't exist. Where are the scans of FCD being used from all ranges? Oh wait, they don't exist. But the scans where the summoner has been on top of the summon after the summon do exist.

You sound stupid, admit it and move on.

 

[Tazzilla88]

The Manga has shown what the jutsu can do, and it's not what you want it to be. The same Manga written solely by Kishimoto. Databook is flat out wrong when it contradicts what the Manga has shown. DB lists Madara as the only user of Perfect Susanoo. By your shitty logic it's true because it's the databook despite the Manga proving it wrong.

This argument has been over. That's why all you can do is lie about what occurs on panel. Where are these scans of Tsunade summoning Katsuyu wherever she wants? Oh wait, they don't exist. Where are the scans of FCD being used from all ranges? Oh wait, they don't exist. But the scans where the summoner has been on top of the summon after the summon do exist.

You sound stupid, admit it and move on.

Yes, please argue more. Haha make me Shimmy. LMAO More Insults please.

You not seeing something isn't evidence that databook is wrong. It just means you've never seen it.

Any evidence besides I've not seen it for this particular entry?

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't know why I picked such a dumb argument.

This is probably what you should be thinking for almost everything you've said in this thread.

Yes, please argue more. Haha make me Shimmy. LMAO More Insults please.

You not seeing something isn't evidence that databook is wrong. It just means you've never seen it.

The Manga has shown how the jutsu works, and it's not how you want it to work. There is nothing more to it. End of story. Argument over. You lost. Deal with it and move on. Ay beats your fav. Point blank period. Go to bed son.

P.S: Where are the scans of Tsunade summoning Katsuyu wherever she wants? Hmm. Probably hard to bring up scans of something that only happened in your wet dreams. :lol

 

[Tazzilla88]

Oh I got a scans for you baby. Just thought I'd let you dig yourself deeper arguing with the databook. Saying it's not cannon, or that what's in it when it hasn't been contradicted isn't true.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh I got a scans for you baby. Just thought I'd let you dig yourself deeper arguing with the databook. Saying it's not cannon, or that what's in it when it hasn't been contradicted isn't true.

Post those scans or don't post at all. The Manga has shown how Food Cart Destroyer works. The Manga has also shown that Tsunade isn't a user of said technique, so if you think there is something else that differentiates it from normal summoning you are going to have to prove that Tsunade can perform it.

And when you post those scans make sure that they are actually scans of her summoning Katsuyu at long range, or a range that would actually help your argument.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Long Range:

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Tsunade isn't on the front line. She's behind the ninjas that charged forward into the front lines.

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[RedRobin]

Wrecked. Next time stop thinking you are right about everything. There are things you could have always missed and things other people will pick up on. You also make it worse by constantly telling people how stupid they are because in the end you simply look like a jack**s.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Tsunade isn't on the front line. She's behind the ninjas that charged forward into the front lines.

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I didn't know that Tsunade+Sakura summoning Katsuyu was the same as Tsunade summoning Katsuyu alone. What I do know is that every time Tsunade on her own has summoned Katsuyu it's been a regular, traditional summoning. Even if you were right, Ay simply sees her hand signs and evades then instead of waiting for her to clap the ground to evade.

Try again.

Wrecked. Next time stop thinking you are right about everything. There are things you could have always missed and things other people will pick up on. You also make it worse by constantly telling people how stupid they are because in the end you simply look like a jack**s.

Lmao. Why don't you do me a favor and shut up? Don't post if you aren't going to make an argument. Piggy packing off someone who does nothing but twist Manga fact and then crying about my demeanor gets you no points kiddo. Not to mention I simply asked him to provide the scans for Katsuyu being able to be summoned everywhere.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I didn't know that Tsunade+Sakura summoning Katsuyu was the same as Tsunade summoning Katsuyu alone. What I do know is that every time Tsunade on her own has summoned Katsuyu it's been a regular, traditional summoning. Even if you were right, Ay simply sees her hand signs and evades then instead of waiting for her to clap the ground to evade.

Try again.



Lmao. Why don't you do me a favor and shut up? Don't post if you aren't going to make an argument. Piggy packing off someone who does nothing but twist Manga fact and then crying about my demeanor gets you no points kiddo. Not to mention I simply asked him to provide the scans for Katsuyu being able to be summoned everywhere.

You're trying so hard to deny the L. You can't dodge instant. It's teleportation. Not movement. Tsunade's hand moves. Not Katsuyu. She shows up where Tsunade wants.

Your proof that Sakura being there changes a thing besides the amount of Katsuyu summonable?

Because Tsunade has summoned into your neutral distance before as well.

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Katsuyu was summoned to the ground which was 32 Meters away.

And if you don't want to accept that the ground is 32 Meters away. A straight path from Tsunade to Katsuyu going perfectly horizontal is stil 12 Meters. Solid proof that Tsunade can summon Katsuyu away from her. Stop.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're trying so hard to deny the L. You can't dodge instant. It's teleportation. Not movement. Tsunade's hand moves. Not Katsuyu. She shows up where Tsunade wants.

Your proof that Sakura being there changes a thing besides the amount of Katsuyu summonable?

Because Tsunade has summoned into your neutral distance before as well.

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Katsuyu was summoned to the ground which was 32 Meters away.

And if you don't want to accept that the ground is 32 Meters away. A straight path from Tsunade to Katsuyu going perfectly horizontal is stil 12 Meters. Solid proof that Tsunade can summon Katsuyu away from her. Stop.

Good job. Now I can actually agree since you've posted a scan that actually proves your argument. Doesn't change the fact you still don't make any sense. Teleportation being instant is irrelevant. Tsunade's hand moves and Katsuyu appears where she wants, but if Ay moves right before her hand has come down she has no way to know where to summon Katsuyu as she can't follow Ay's top speed, thus she has no idea where he will be to make this strategy work.

-Tsunade makes the hand signs.
-Tsunade is about to clap the ground.
-Right before she does Ay shunshins away.
-Katsuyu is summoned either where Ay was previously or Katsuyu is summoned somewhere else. Regardless, Ay doesn't get hit. And don't cry about "lol but iz instant" when the summoning itself is the only thing that is instant.


OR Ay simply attacks her. She can't react to his speed so we can forget about her summoning anything on top of him before he strikes her.

So unless you are going to bring some kind of evidence that Tsunade can track Ay's movements to call Katsuyu on top of him you don't have an argument. This is also assuming Ay doesn't just dash at her from the start, preventing her from making any kind of hand signs to summon Wanksuyu.


:lol You are going to have try harder than this buddy.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Good job. Now I can actually agree since you've posted a scan that actually proves your argument. Doesn't change the fact you still don't make any sense. Teleportation being instant is irrelevant. Tsunade's hand moves and Katsuyu appears where she wants, but if Ay moves right before her hand has come down she has no way to know where to summon Katsuyu as she can't follow Ay's top speed, thus she has no idea where he will be to make this strategy work.

-Tsunade makes the hand signs.
-Tsunade is about to clap the ground.
-Right before she does Ay shunshins away.
-Katsuyu is summoned either where Ay was previously or Katsuyu is summoned somewhere else. Regardless, Ay doesn't get hit.


So unless you are going to bring some kind of evidence that Tsunade can track Ay's movements to call Katsuyu on top of him you don't have an argument. This is also assuming Ay doesn't just dash at her from the start, preventing her from making any kind of hand signs to summon Wanksuyu.

You're forgetting a few things. In the time RIGHT before Tsunade's hand hits the ground he's not clearing a distance greater that 4 bijuu. Stop it. 10% Katsuyu has been shown to be bigger than the bijuu all together. 5% then would be bigger than half of the bijuu. Ay's not dodging.

Unless you can prove that Ay can shunshin that far faster than Tsunade can hit the ground. The question that you wouldn't answer is now back on you. And it is your responsibility now to answer it. Oh and Ay always takes time to pump up to V2 before he shunshins with it. In every single occasion. Against Minato, Against Sasuke, and Against Naruto.
So where's your proof he can escape?


More aggression. Man, you're aggression is misplaced. You really should see someone about your need to put someone else down when you don't like what's going on.

 

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Good job. Now I can actually agree since you've posted a scan that actually proves your argument. Doesn't change the fact you still don't make any sense. Teleportation being instant is irrelevant. Tsunade's hand moves and Katsuyu appears where she wants, but if Ay moves right before her hand has come down she has no way to know where to summon Katsuyu as she can't follow Ay's top speed, thus she has no idea where he will be to make this strategy work.

-Tsunade makes the hand signs.
-Tsunade is about to clap the ground.
-Right before she does Ay shunshins away.
-Katsuyu is summoned either where Ay was previously or Katsuyu is summoned somewhere else. Regardless, Ay doesn't get hit. And don't cry about "lol but iz instant" when the summoning itself is the only thing that is instant.


OR Ay simply attacks her. She can't react to his speed so we can forget about her summoning anything on top of him before he strikes her.

So unless you are going to bring some kind of evidence that Tsunade can track Ay's movements to call Katsuyu on top of him you don't have an argument. This is also assuming Ay doesn't just dash at her from the start, preventing her from making any kind of hand signs to summon Wanksuyu.


:lol You are going to have try harder than this buddy.

What exactly is being argued here? That Tsunade summons Katsuyu from anywhere on top of Ay like food cart destroyer?

 

[KidGamer65]

You're forgetting a few things. In the time RIGHT before Tsunade's hand hits the ground he's not clearing a distance greater that 4 bijuu. Stop it. 10% Katsuyu has been shown to be bigger than the bijuu all together. 5% then would be bigger than half of the bijuu. Ay's not dodging.

Unless you can prove that Ay can shunshin that far faster than Tsunade can hit the ground. The question that you wouldn't answer is now back on you. And it is your responsibility now to answer it. Oh and Ay always takes time to pump up to V2 before he shunshins with it. In every single occasion. Against Minato, Against Sasuke, and Against Naruto.
So where's your proof he can escape?


More aggression. Man, you're aggression is misplaced. You really should see someone about your need to put someone else down when you don't like what's going on.

We've seen the Katsuyu Tsunade can summon on her own, and it's the size of a Bijuu. Period. Not interested in you and RedRobin's fanfiction. Even if the Katsuyu she can summon on her own was as large as you claim B has already cleared a far larger distance in Base before Jugo could come from behind him and strike him using his Sage Transformation let alone top speed Ay. BM Naruto cleared a greater distance than that before Obito and Madara could strike B and Kakashi from close range w/ Susanoo and Shuriken. KCM/BM Naruto is faster than Ay but the difference isn't extremely large. Not to mention Obito and Madara's Susanoo are both faster than Tsunade by far. V1 Ay is already far faster than B in Base let alone V2 as well.

Not to mention Katsuyu is only as LONG as 4 Bijuu, again, assuming you are correct on all other fronts. Ay can dash vertically or he can go straight for Tsunade.

-The time need to use V2 is of course more fanfiction from you.

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Where's the time? Because anyone who honestly reads the Manga without their love for a certain character blinding them knows that this charge you people love to talk about doesn't exist.

-Ay activates armor.
-Ay's armor flares up and he dashes at Minato.

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-Flares up armor.
-Tells Naruto he's coming and then attacks.

There is no "time" to pump up to V2. None. At. All. Not to mention Tsunade still has to make the hand signs to summon so this is an irrelevant point regardless nor does he have to Shunshin the split second before her hand hits the ground. Once she's made the motion to summon, he moves, and she misses.

And please don't start with your question BS. If you want to support Tsunade being able to react to Ay's top speed from a normal Manga based starting distance then go right ahead and do so, but I'm not going to help you nor do I need to answer any of your questions.

What exactly is being argued here? That Tsunade summons Katsuyu from anywhere on top of Ay like food cart destroyer?

Yeah. Pretty much.