Tsunade Versus Gokage Analysis

[Lord Tywin]

Let's all just agree that Tsunade is never ever reacting to v2 Ay, let alone a lightened v2 Ay, like Tsunade fan girls claim she did

 

[Horus]

You guys need to calm down with the insults, especially KidGamer.
Not just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, it means they are idiots.
This goes for all of you.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Where is TheEvilOne to make this a trio?

and Bantos to make this a quadfecta

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OP: She only beats Mei in my opinion. But redrobin I think your thread was detailed and thought out. Even if I don't agree with your premises.

 

[Icelerate]

You guys need to calm down with the insults, especially KidGamer.
Not just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, it means they are idiots.
This goes for all of you.

How come you targeted mostly KidGamer when Tazzilla was making just as many insults if not worse ones? Is it because you yourself are a Tsunade fan and used to be a fanboy in the past?

 

[Tantalus Thief]

How come you targeted mostly KidGamer when Tazzilla was making just as many insults if not worse ones? Is it because you yourself are a Tsunade fan and used to be a fanboy in the past?

playing with fire here buddy

 

[Horus]

How come you targeted mostly KidGamer when Tazzilla was making just as many insults if not worse ones? Is it because you yourself are a Tsunade fan and used to be a fanboy in the past?

No because this isn't the only thread where he insults other members for not agreeing with his opinion(it is a verbal warning to not only this thread). Also there were reports.
That message was sent to all the members in this thread so if you guys can't debate properly then I'll have to send out infractions to everyone who's gonna be insulting others from now on, something I rarely do.
Dislike all you want, won't change the fact that you need to follow the rules.
Also people stop posting picture only and emoticon only replies.

playing with fire here buddy

Nuu I don't infract people for disagreeing with me lol

 

[neosmith500]

playing with fire here buddy

U know wat happens to Ice when they play with Fire? it melts..

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[Lord Tywin]

No because this isn't the only thread where he insults other members for not agreeing with his opinion(it is a verbal warning to not only this thread). Also there were reports.
That message was sent to all the members in this thread so if you guys can't debate properly then I'll have to send out infractions to everyone who's gonna be insulting others from now on, something I rarely do.
Dislike all you want, won't change the fact that you need to follow the rules.
Also people stop posting picture only and emoticon only replies.



Nuu I don't infract people for disagreeing with me lol

So who reported the thread? Mods usually leave this place alone

 

[Icelerate]

and Bantos to make this a quadfecta

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OP: She only beats Mei in my opinion. But redrobin I think your thread was detailed and thought out. Even if I don't agree with your premises.

How come you believe Tsunade beats Mei but Sakura loses? Just curious.

 

[KidGamer65]

So who reported the thread? Mods usually leave this place alone

RedRobin was getting owned so hard he figured the only way to stop it was to get me banned. :lol

 

[RedRobin]

RedRobin was getting owned so hard he figured the only way to stop it was to get me banned. :lol

Lol nah bro really dont care at all about you and your comments. You could say whatever you want, which you have. Didnt report you because its really not important.

 

[Livenojutsu]

i agree with you. Only she cannot defeat is ohnoki. For others it may be difficult like gaara but she can.

 

[Power Bottom]

She beats all of them

 

[RedRobin]

Stop being an idiot before you start to talk about logic. Especially since that didn't work out too well for you last time you tried to claim Oxygen reduces the pH of Acid Mist. :lol

Why would you bring up a debate where you illogically said Acid mist and hidden mist were the same technique when absolutely nothing pointed to such a claim? I conceded on the oxygen and PH thing as well.

She was never shown to keep up with them. Ay and Onoki struck Susanoo, then she struck right after. Only if you can show that Tsunade and Ay/Onoki left at the same time, with a similar distance in between them at least AND that Ay was moving as fast as he possibly could, only then would you be able to claim something as stupid as "Tsunade can keep up with the Ay+Onoki".

So according to you there was nothing impressive about Tsunade's reaction and speed in that feat? Explain to me the in detail how this went down in your head.

They are all within the vicinity and according to you 5 meters is not going to change anything :lol

I mean to be able to land an attack seconds after Ay is not impressive? To be able to accomplish something like that doesnt show she kept up with them?

How could she have possibly done something like that without being able to see Ay and keep up with him? Either she was randomly just attacking Madara and it somehow just happened to be right after Ay :lol which you cant prove or this was a team attack and she was able to match up with their assault.

@bold argument is as stupid as Zex's(Sorry Bro) "All her punches arent going to be CES" Absolutely no reason they wouldnt go all out as fast as they can. Default is they are going all out unless you could prove otherwise.

And no, that's not logic. That's something you ripped out of your *******. I'll repeat this one more time so you and that clown can understand, k? MS Sasuke is far faster than Tsunade. DB gives Beginning of Part 2 Sasuke a higher speed stat than Tsunade by a whole point. That rates reaction speed and movement speed. Throw MS on top of that. Sasuke is faster than Tsunade. Sasuke COULD NOT PERCEIVE AY. SOMEONE SLOWER DOES NOT DO THE SAME THING.

Hilarious. "Tsunade was keeping up with the full speed of a combination that is far faster at it's peak than what she was stated to be slower than already" One of you better get me some real speed feats and not this weak nonsense.

Lol what does MS Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke have to do with Byakugo chakra mode Tsunade? How can you possibly correlate what she can do based on what they have done?

We are talking about a Tsunade who has

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amount of already molded chakra flowing all over her body. To think she wouldnt even keep up with Hebi Sasuke is laughable. And only shows how far you have undermined her abilities even though you constantly say you judge her feats fairly.

Plus

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stating base Ay's reactions speed and nerve transmission are on par with Minato. Its clear Shi is talking about Base Ay because of the use of the word 'but' in the next block of text referring his raiton forms.

As we see later Base Tsunade and Base Ay

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For years people have put Tsunade on a lower standard when it comes to reactions but she is actually up there with the rest of them.

Are you joking? Let's use common sense. What Mabui said is irrelevant. She survived it with damage. Ay survived it in Base with no damage. Ay in Base is far more durable than Base Tsunade let alone Ay's father, who is far more durable in Base than Ay is in his armor let alone Base.

I mean, there's no way you actually typed this and didn't think it sounded stupid. "Same ballpark" my ass. :lol Spare me the jokes.

How is what she said about the technique irrelevant? There are regular people who cant survive it and will be torn apart, Tsunade who can survive it with cuts and then people like Ay and Ay who can survive it with no damage. Why is the immediate response to give her no extra-durability?

Survive is the key word here, people die because their bodies are torn apart because of the transmission rate. 3rd survived it due to this extra-tough physique, seeing as Tsunade survived she also has an extra-tough physique not on the raikge's level but she has one nonetheless.

Mabui said Tsunade

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while Ay had a possibility being of the 3rd's blood, this was a direct comparison to the 3rd's bloodline and Tsunade's body managed it.

Cant see why you dont agree she has an extra-tough physique.

And no, only if you were in a power struggle and only then would you be able to overpower, but if Ay actually hits her hard enough with a chop the result will be the same. Being physically stronger doesn't negate damage, especially when he's coming at her at speeds she can't react to.

No Suigestu states Ay would have torn his arms off in the context of this

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. Tsunade in the same situation would have done the same to Suigestu due to Tsunade being tremendously more powerful than Suigestu. This has nothing to do with Ay's ability to cut which is what your were arguing about and again this wouldnt happen to Tsunade because Ay doesnt overpower her and she can match him.

Why are you guys making these weak excuses? Regular swords don't need to hold down a target to cut them. Why would Tsunade not be cut by Ay's hand? Don't argue "It can't cut like a sword" we SAW that it can when he cut his arm off.

Because a sword attack is nothing like an Ay attack. Ay has lots of power behind his attack and this power overshadows his cutting force.

:lol Because Susanoo blocked most of the attack, so obviously Sasuke isn't going to be seriously damaged. Terrible example.

But according to you if he can cut his arm off then there is no reason Sasuke was not cut in that attack as Ay broke through the defense and still hit Sasuke. Yet what we see from Sasuke is more a blunt force damage. and the fact that he knocked him to the ground further backs my power of Ay's power overshadowing his cutting force.

 

[KidGamer65]

If this is the nonsense you were cooking up you never should've bothered responding.

So according to you there was nothing impressive about Tsunade's reaction and speed in that feat? Explain to me the in detail how this went down in your head.

That's not the argument. Is this a feat that lets her react to Ay? No. That is the argument. Don't become a strawman once your arguments have been crushed. Get me feats or an explanation of that feat that proves your point or don't reply.

They are all within the vicinity and according to you 5 meters is not going to change anything :lol

I mean to be able to land an attack seconds after Ay is not impressive? To be able to accomplish something like that doesnt show she kept up with them?

Who said it wasn't impressive? Stop being a defensive child for one second and just address the argument. Does this let her react to top speed Ay? No. Is this proof she actually kept up with his movement speed? Obviously not because it's already FACT that Tsunade CAN'T match Ay's movement speed. So stop arguing that she did.

How could she have possibly done something like that without being able to see Ay and keep up with him? Either she was randomly just attacking Madara and it somehow just happened to be right after Ay :lol which you cant prove or this was a team attack and she was able to match up with their assault.

:lol Let's go over this again since it seems it's too much for your brain to handle.

-Tsunade and Ay both charged at Madara.
-Ay hits him.
-Tsunade shows up right after.

Explain why Tsunade has to match Ay's speed to accomplish this. If they left at the same exact time with the same exact distance then yes, she would have to match his speed. Yet you nor your foolish partner in crime can actually prove that. For all you know this is what could've happened:

-Tsunade charges Ay.
-Ay comes in and attacks while Tsunade is charging.
-Tsunade comes in and hits him after Ay has hit Madara.

Meanwhile I have multiple scans blatantly stating that Tsunade can't match the Raikage in movement speed. Yet this guy over here is arguing that Tsunade was matching a boosted Raikage in movement speed. :lol You really should stop now.

@bold argument is as stupid as Zex's(Sorry Bro) "All her punches arent going to be CES" Absolutely no reason they wouldnt go all out as fast as they can. Default is they are going all out unless you could prove otherwise.

I already addressed this in my post to Tazilla and in a separate post and of course after making yourself look foolish trying your hardest to counter you ignore the point as if it was never made. Address it or don't respond.

Lol what does MS Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke have to do with Byakugo chakra mode Tsunade? How can you possibly correlate what she can do based on what they have done?

Tsunade is already factually slower than a Sasuke w/ no enhancements as per the Databook and you Tsunade supporters have yet to actually prove that her Byakugo is a boost superior to Sharingan, or rather so much superior to Sharingan that she becomes faster than him.

We are talking about a Tsunade who has

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amount of already molded chakra flowing all over her body. To think she wouldnt even keep up with Hebi Sasuke is laughable. And only shows how far you have undermined her abilities even though you constantly say you judge her feats fairly.

Lmao you don't even have an argument. "Argh, cause Tsunade has so much chakra in her body she is able to keep up with Sasuke". You don't even have a metric to measure the statement "Tsunade is able to keep up with Sasuke and even worse, Ay, because she has giant chakra in her body". :lol So unbelievably pathetic, your argument.


And of course you are being a strawman again. Where did I say she can't keep up with Sasuke's speed? Is she as fast as him? No. Does that mean he'll run circles around her? No. Stop being a defensive fanboy who twists every disagreement with his biased argument into a "he must think tsunade is a weak piece of trash" statement.

This is what I want proof for: "Byakugo's boost is so much greater than Sharingan is for their reaction speed that Tsunade goes from being a point below a Base Sasuke in speed to being superior enough to MS Sasuke that she can visually follow and physically react to the same guy Sasuke couldn't visually follow)"

Plus

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stating base Ay's reactions speed and nerve transmission are on par with Minato. Its clear Shi is talking about Base Ay because of the use of the word 'but' in the next block of text referring his raiton forms.

We already know this.

As we see later Base Tsunade and Base Ay

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Lmao a coordinated attack means nothing. The databook has already ranked Tsunade's speed and it's not on par with the likes of Ay. I can show you multiple scans of people attacking at the same time yet it's already proven fact that they aren't as fast as each other.

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6G Gai=Kakashi in speed now? :lol

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What about Naruto and Sai? They charged Madara at the same time. :lol

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What about all the Bijuu? :lol

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What about Gaara, Kakashi and Minato?

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What about Kakashi and KCM Minato?

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What about this? Darui=V1 Ay in movement and reaction speed? Lmao.

Oh wait. No, no and no for every example I posted. Stop using shit logic to support your claims only to complain about how people are underrating your favorite. It looks pathetic. Let me post Tsunade's speed stat for you one more time.

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That's below Sasuke w/o Sharingan. Base Tsunade is nowhere near the likes of Minato in reaction speed so let's cut the bullshit. Don't make dumb excuses like "DB is wrong cause I said so" or "she got stronger". And don't try to pull something as foolish as what your buddy Tazilla tried. "Oh no, but those are from part 1" :lol Gold.

It's laughable that you delusional Tsunade fans are giving Tsunade this kind of stature in the speed department despite her never ever ever getting this kind of hype in the Manga or the Databook.

How is what she said about the technique irrelevant? There are regular people who cant survive it and will be torn apart, Tsunade who can survive it with cuts and then people like Ay and Ay who can survive it with no damage. Why is the immediate response to give her no extra-durability?

Why are you such a defensive little kid? Who said it gives her no extra durability? It simply doesn't put her durability anywhere near the level you were implying.

(And no before we get triggered I am not saying Tsunade has the same durability as the 3rd Raikage but because she survived it she is in the same ball park)

Surviving the same technique doesn't put two people in the same ballpark when she had cuts and Ay was untouched while Ay's father is far more durable than him. Ay III and IV aren't even in the same ballpark nor is Tsunade in Base Ay IV's ballpark.

Cant see why you dont agree she has an extra-tough physique.

If you weren't so busy crying because of the fact that I don't agree with your biased analysis of Tsunade's power, you would see that I've already agreed she's super durable in my posts to Tazilla. Don't switch up your argument now that it's been crushed. You said "Tsunade is in the same ball park as the 3rd". That is false. Nothing more to it. Don't assume I said "because she's not as durable as Ay, she's not super durable".

No Suigestu states Ay would have torn his arms off in the context of this

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. Tsunade in the same situation would have done the same to Suigestu due to Tsunade being tremendously more powerful than Suigestu. This has nothing to do with Ay's ability to cut which is what your were arguing about and again this wouldnt happen to Tsunade because Ay doesnt overpower her and she can match him.

Yes, and why would his arms be torn off? Because after said power struggle his arms would not be able to withstand the force Ay was putting on them. That is the key point you keep dodging.

-Ay hits Suigetsu.
-Suigetsu blocks with his blade.
-He's overpowered.
-His blade goes flying in the air and Ay strikes his arms.
-Suigetsu states that the hit to his arms would've wrenched his arms off.

The point is, Ay has the capability to sever limbs. If he can sever limbs by simply being in a power struggle with someone you sound ridiculous saying he can't sever limbs with an actual cutting technique.

Read this as many times as it takes for you to understand.

Because a sword attack is nothing like an Ay attack. Ay has lots of power behind his attack and this power overshadows his cutting force.

That literally makes no sense. The power behind a technique doesn't change whether or not it cuts or not. Is this where you start trying to use real world logic only to fail hard at it? Does a sword cut worse when you swing it with more power? Obviously not.

But according to you if he can cut his arm off then there is no reason Sasuke was not cut in that attack as Ay broke through the defense and still hit Sasuke. Yet what we see from Sasuke is more a blunt force damage. and the fact that he knocked him to the ground further backs my power of Ay's power overshadowing his cutting force.

You should really open a physics book or just pay attention in class. Ay's swing has a set amount of energy. When he hits Susanoo said energy is used up to bust through it, and then whatever is left is what hits Sasuke. He simply used too much power to get through Susanoo which is why Sasuke took his attack.

-Ay cut his arm.
-Ay cut the Hachibi's horn.
-Ay can take off limbs.

And I can cite similar instances from other characters. Like Rock Lee w/ Naruto's cloak

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Yet Ay's chops capable of cutting through his own more durable body and the Hachibi's horns won't do the same to Tsunade's? Lee's kick isn't even more penetrative than Ay's chops. It's a blunt force attack. :lol

Quit dodging these facts. It's why you guys can't be taken seriously. It not being able to cut as finely as a sword can is irrelevant, because Ay can still take off his own limbs and the Hachibi's horn so what is the issue here? Excuses. That is what the issue is. Stop making them.

 

[BLAZE]

isn't 3rd DB stats from till chap 402 though :| meaning part 2

 

[KidGamer65]

isn't 3rd DB stats from till chap 402 though :| meaning part 2

Lmao apparently Tazilla coincidentally "forgot" that long standing fact. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it means his fav has average speed. :lol Tsunade with a 3.5 in speed is as fast as the guy who actually has

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in Base along with the fact he has reflexes like Minato's.

Where is Tsunade's speed hype? Doesn't exist, because Kishimoto doesn't hold her to the same standard as her fanboys and fangirls do.

 

[Icelerate]

Lmao apparently Tazilla coincidentally "forgot" that long standing fact. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that it means his fav has average speed. :lol Tsunade with a 3.5 in speed is as fast as the guy who actually has

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in Base along with the fact he has reflexes like Minato's.

Where is Tsunade's speed hype? Doesn't exist, because Kishimoto doesn't hold her to the same standard as her fanboys and fangirls do.

I was shocked that he forgot about Tsunade not having part 1 databook stats because he's always analyzing Tsunade's abilities.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was shocked that he forgot about Tsunade not having part 1 databook stats because he's always analyzing Tsunade's abilities.

Lmao he probably didn't forget. He just thought he'd try and pull a fast one on me.....as if anyone with half a brain wouldn't notice that.

 

[NarutoX28]

Makes me wonder how Tsunade is Sannin Level.