Tsunade & Sakura VS. The Sound 5.

[TheEvilOne]

Tayuya's genjutsu can be easily countered by releasing the Yin seal. The chakra stored in it disturbs the flow of Tsunade's/Sakura's chakra and breaks the genjutsu.

The likes of Jirobu, Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru have absolutely nothing to push them even to mid difficulty when they all got defeated by gennin and chuunin level ninjas. The only and real threat here is Kimimaro, who by himself- isn't beating two chakra beasts. ​

 

[Blackdeath667]

Tayuya's genjutsu can be easily countered by releasing the Yin seal. The chakra stored in it disturbs the flow of Tsunade's/Sakura's chakra and breaks the genjutsu.

The likes of Jirobu, Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru have absolutely nothing to push them even to mid difficulty when they all got defeated by gennin and chuunin level ninjas. The only and real threat here is Kimimaro, who by himself- isn't beating two chakra beasts. ​

one of the better arguments i've seen so far for tsunade... but dont underestimate the sound 4

 

[TheEvilOne]

one of the better arguments i've seen so far for tsunade... but dont underestimate the sound 4

Well that wasn't really an argument, I merely pointed out some obvious facts.
I'm not underrating them, but they were portrayed as chuunin level ninjas who were barely able to deal with Konoha's weakest jounins. ​

 

[KingHashirama]

one of the better arguments i've seen so far for tsunade... but dont underestimate the sound 4

underestimate people who were taken to the limit by genma and raidou?

Tayuya's genjutsu can be easily countered by releasing the Yin seal. The chakra stored in it disturbs the flow of Tsunade's/Sakura's chakra and breaks the genjutsu.

The likes of Jirobu, Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru have absolutely nothing to push them even to mid difficulty when they all got defeated by gennin and chuunin level ninjas. The only and real threat here is Kimimaro, who by himself- isn't beating two chakra beasts. ​

@Bold, even he isn't a threat. In part 1, only people shown to be on the level of Tsunade are Hiruzen/Orochimaru/Jiraiya/Itachi

 

[Blackdeath667]

Well that wasn't really an argument, I merely pointed out some obvious facts.
I'm not underrating them, but they were portrayed as chuunin level ninjas who were barely able to deal with Konoha's weakest jounins. ​

better than saying screaming stops the sound genjutsu , lol but if tsunade does solo which i just dont think so.. its extreame high diff... and sakura and and tsunade win its mid-high diff

 

[Akasuna]

Tayuya's genjutsu can be easily countered by releasing the Yin seal. The chakra stored in it disturbs the flow of Tsunade's/Sakura's chakra and breaks the genjutsu.

The likes of Jirobu, Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru have absolutely nothing to push them even to mid difficulty when they all got defeated by gennin and chuunin level ninjas. The only and real threat here is Kimimaro, who by himself- isn't beating two chakra beasts. ​

They have literally no way to break

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. The fluid will leave them

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, rendering their strength useless. From there, either an

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or a strike from Kimmimaro will end them.

 

[TheEvilOne]

They have literally no way to break

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. The fluid will leave them

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, rendering their strength useless. From there, either an

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or a strike from Kimmimaro will end them.

Saying they can't break out is ridiculous. Provide me some scans Kidomaru's webs have better durability feats than the Susanoo, Sasori's Hiruko or the ground itself. Just because some part1 gennin fodders weren't able to counter it, it doesn't mean Tsuande and Sakura can't rip or cut that shit to pieces. ​

 

[Bantos]

better than saying screaming stops the sound genjutsu , lol but if tsunade does solo which i just dont think so.. its extreame high diff... and sakura and and tsunade win its mid-high diff

But I still stand by it. :| You just have to block the other sound.

 

[Akasuna]

Saying they can't break out is ridiculous. Provide me some scans Kidomaru's webs have better durability feats than the Susanoo, Sasori's Hiruko or the ground itself. Just because some part1 gennin fodders weren't able to counter it, it doesn't mean Tsuande and Sakura can't rip or cut that shit to pieces. ​

...You can't be serious. These webs are said to be able to hold

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, seeing as his chakra

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. Whether or not Tsunade can head on break them if she gets her full strength into a strike is debatable, but if she's completely binded in a cocoon she isn't doing anything to them.

 

[RedRobin]

Sakura one shots sound 4 Via Shannaro punch. Then Sakura and Tsunade easily take down Kimi together.

Some of you actually call yourself debaters. So sad with that bias.

 

[Blackdeath667]

But I still stand by it. :| You just have to block the other sound.

why didnt shikamaru do it against tayuya, or sasuke and itachi do it against kabuto

 

[Black Wolf]

Regurgitating the Sound 5's portrayal is stupid when this thread has set very specific stipulations. They have full knowledge and a solid starting distance in an advantageous location. Bringing up their loss against the Tokubetsu Jonin is completely irrelevant, as they lacked full knowledge and started at a disadvantageous position (specifically Kidomaru and Tayuya who are long range fighters; fighting at striking distance for those two ruins their fighting style).

Even with full knowledge, there is literally nothing Sakura and Tsunade can do to avoid Kidomaru snipes when a faster and Dojutsu wielding Neji was having trouble, and that's without the added pressure of other fighters attacking them / Genjutsu. Your argument that Genjutsu can be dispelled by releasing the Yin Seal has little basis; opening the door to an additional pool of one's own chakra =/= having a foreign person's chakra injected into your body. And even if it did work, it is a one time solution because Tayuya can simply recast the jutsu.

 

[LuckyMan]

...You can't be serious. These webs are said to be able to hold

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, seeing as his chakra

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. Whether or not Tsunade can head on break them if she gets her full strength into a strike is debatable, but if she's completely binded in a cocoon she isn't doing anything to them.

She or Sakura cuts them with their Chakra Scalpel

Regurgitating the Sound 5's portrayal is stupid when this thread has set very specific stipulations. They have full knowledge and a solid starting distance in an advantageous location. Bringing up their loss against the Tokubetsu Jonin is completely irrelevant, as they lacked full knowledge and started at a disadvantageous position (specifically Kidomaru and Tayuya who are long range fighters).

With full knowledge, there is literally nothing Sakura and Tsunade can do to avoid Kidomaru snipes when a faster and Dojutsu wielding Neji was having trouble, and that's without the added pressure of other fighters attacking them / Genjutsu. Your argument that Genjutsu can be dispelled by releasing the Yin Seal has little basis; opening the door to an additional pool of one's own chakra =/= having a foreign chakra injected into your body. And even if it did work, it is a one time solution because Tayuya can simply recast it.

Part 1 Nejis faster than Sakura and Tsuande part 2.....

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[Strict]

Well, Sasuke and Itachi insisted on Amaterasu, as those threads couldn't be cut by ordinary means, despite they also had Susanoo with an immense physical strength. Tsunde is based on the momentum of her punches and kicks, which she reinforces with Chakra. If he is caught by the threads, all she could do is to try tearing the threads apart. And here she can't insist on Chakra enhanced power.

 

[TheEvilOne]

...You can't be serious. These webs are said to be able to hold

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, seeing as his chakra

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. Whether or not Tsunade can head on break them if she gets her full strength into a strike is debatable, but if she's completely binded in a cocoon she isn't doing anything to them.

So what? Tell me, what are two elephants for Tsunade when she was able to lift Gamabunta's sword, a weapon made from metal. Icelerate once proved that tanto weights nearly 40.000 kg.

Sakura is debatable, but Tsunade is a different story. Unlike Sakura, she is naturally strong.

Not to mention this is only hype and if you are accepting it, than you should also accept Tsunade's ( battle immortality ) and Sakura's ( battle immortality, equal to BM Naruto/EMS Sasuke ).

 

[NSUNSR]

the same sound 4 who were taken to their limits by Genma and Raidou...? Only thing you are adding on is kimimaro.. who'se physicality is nothing big in front of sakura.


They had to go all out against Genma and Raidou... 4 vs 2.. ROFLLL

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Genma and Raidou are Tokubetsu Jonins, which means that they are high level/special jounins so GTFO.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tayuya can simply recast the jutsu.

Before or after her ass gets blitzed by Tsunade?

 

[Black Wolf]

Part 1 Nejis faster than Sakura and Tsuande part 2.....

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Of course he is.

DB3 gives Tsunade a 3.5 and Sakura a 3. Sakura probably has improved since DB3, but she isn't going from a 3 to above a 4.

 

[Akasuna]

So what? Tell me, what are two elephants for Tsunade when she was able to lift Gamabunta's sword, a weapon made from metal. Icelerate once proved that tanto weights nearly 40.000 kg.

Sakura is debatable, but Tsunade is a different story. Unlike Sakura, she is naturally strong.

Not to mention this is only hype and if you are accepting it, than you should also accept Tsunade's ( battle immortality ) and Sakura's ( battle immortality, equal to BM Naruto/EMS Sasuke ).

Lifting requires an entirely different section of muscle than forcefully breaking out of a restraint. As Strict said, Tsunade's style relies on momentum. If she has no momentum she's not breaking out of it of something that previously caught fighters weren't even able to budge in.

@InvisibleMan: As said, momentum. Chakra scalpel isn't breaking anything.

 

[Black Wolf]

Before or after her ass gets blitzed by Tsunade?

This is a great example of someone not reading the match stipulations.

30 meter starting distance in a forest with full knowledge. Kidomaru and Tayuya aren't going to engage in CQC with full knowledge; they'll leave that to the other three / four fighters on their team. They will fall back and utilize their attacks at a distance as support / ranged offense.