Tsunade & Jiraiya vs Six Paths of Pain

[ItachiStyle]

The Sannin will be dead before they get time to do any of that, and the Rasengan needs to be close to be used anyhow, while both the God Pain and Absorbing Pain can dispel it, not to mention other ways they could get rid of it (toss the dog in front). Also I see no evidence that Rasengan could destroy a mountain... Naruto has used bigger ones and failed to "destroy a mountain". Silly.

 

[Edo Odin]

bro i really don't like to be rude but ..... when we have a conversation, i don't like people who just make up another understanding of what was said in the manga, then when they can't handle it they discard the whole thing.
you want feats and no hype but this logic is so flawed that it would deny the power level of so many legendary shinobi's, and BTW it takes away the fun out of this series (makes it like rocket science). am not talking about who would win any more, am talking about the logic you are using to debate, coz that logic is suggesting that i should cancel a very important aspect of the manga (statements). like you said " The way I currently view this, Jiraiya is above Pain hype-wise" now this so called "Hype" is kind of clear looking at how nagato approached this fight (luring jiraiya out, hiding the reviver, then say what he said after winning) but you somehow don't agree with the events that happened in the manga ...... so whats the point of arguing with you if your gona discard all of that and say "how would he counter this or that" ?? .... BTW we don't see EVERYTHING a character can do in one situation and if it was gona be effective then why didn't nagato use it ?? unless of course you know this character better than itself (or the writer)

@bold:Lmao,Oh, IDK, maybe because he didn't want to ruin the city he lived in.

And frankly, you are being idiotic. The fact is that hype doesn't matter if there is absolutely nothing which supports that hype. I'll ak you one more time, can you please tell me how Jiraiya counters CHibaku Tensei ? You can also add how he'd beat the Gedo while you're at it.

 

[Micho22]

The Sannin will be dead before they get time to do any of that, and the Rasengan needs to be close to be used anyhow, while both the God Pain and Absorbing Pain can dispel it, not to mention other ways they could get rid of it (toss the dog in front). Also I see no evidence that Rasengan could destroy a mountain... Naruto has used bigger ones and failed to "destroy a mountain". Silly.

What silly go read on naruto wiki there are the facts jiraiyas ultra big ball rasengan can destroy a mountain

 

[Micho22]

If its explode

 

[Micho22]

And this if he uses it with his own chakra reserves and now imagin it with tsunades chakra transfer that woud be giantic and devestating

 

[Micho22]

I believe you dont get the point that with Tsunades chakra transfer jutsu and her huge chakra suplies they can make already mega strong jutsus even more powerfull and to such points where the power of the jutsu becomes huge
( we saw it with ooniki )

 

[ItachiStyle]

Wow, someone refering me to the Naruto wiki as a source of "fact". Is it stated in the manga? No? Then it's not cannon. It can be as big as a mountain... Pain still absorbs or disperses it, and in the latter case kills the Sannin in the process... not that they have time for this, the moment the fight starts the fight also ends... what Tsunade did for Onoki takes time.

 

[Edo Odin]

I believe you dont get the point that with Tsunades chakra transfer jutsu and her huge chakra suplies they can make already mega strong jutsus even more powerfull and to such points where the power of the jutsu becomes huge
( we saw it with ooniki )

You say that the explosion would be big enough to blow up the Chibaku, but an explosion of that caliber would surely kill Jiraiya would it not ? Seeing as he's not able to throw it.

 

[Micho22]

You say that the explosion would be big enough to blow up the Chibaku, but an explosion of that caliber would surely kill Jiraiya would it not ? Seeing as he's not able to throw it.

Tsunade and Jiraiya are in one team so they have katsuyu and her healing abilitys

 

[ItachiStyle]

Hey, maybe he can use it on the intangible soul sucking dragon... eye rolls.

 

[Micho22]

Like slug princess said pain said himself that if jiraiya woud have intel on him he had never won
So is pain a liar ???
Plus with Tsunade a sannin a hokage they woud win

 

[Edo Odin]

Tsunade and Jiraiya are in one team so they have katsuyu and her healing abilitys

If Jiraiya is 10 cm away from an explosion powerful enough to destroy a fully formed Chibaku Tensei, there won't really be anything to heal from, he'd be simply disintegrated.

 

[Micho22]

If Jiraiya is 10 cm away from an explosion powerful enough to destroy a fully formed Chibaku Tensei, there won't really be anything to heal from, he'd be simply disintegrated.

Ok we put healing aside what is about a little version of katsuyu on his side

 

[Micho22]

Even the very little version of katsuyu survived the chibaku tensei so katsuyu plays here an important role in defence of tsunade and jiraiya

 

[ItachiStyle]

Lots of people say stuff in the manga that is wrong. Remember how Haku's jutsu had "never been stopped" before? But in most cases, it's easy to work around the ridiculous remark. Nagato was making a gesture to his former teachers skill, and saying something nice about him. I doubt he meant it literally... and if he did, maybe that was because Jiraiya wouldn't have fought head on, but carefully snuck up on Nagato and beaten him with trickery (or genjutsu or some such). I don't think, based on what we saw God pain do, that we can seriously assume he meant Jiraiya could have taken him one on 6 in a legit fight.

 

[Edo Odin]

Ok we put healing aside what is about a little version of katsuyu on his side

If Katsuyu manages to protect him, he might survive, but it's debatable whether that'd even be possible. In order to do that, this is what'd happen:

The Chibaku Tensei starts pulling them close.

• Neither has any info on the jutsu, so first theyðd have to come up with the plan
• Then Tsunade would summon Katsuyu
• Katsuyu would split herself up
• Katsuyu would go to Jiraiya and surround him
• Tsunade would transfer her chakra to Jiraiya
• Jiraiya would charge up a large enough Rasengan to take out the core

Looking at this, it's pretty much impossible. Especially since they have no knowledge on the technique.

Not to mention the fact that if they do it, they'd have to waste a buttload of chakra, and then they'd still have to fight things like the Gedo, and the rest of Pain's jutsu.

 

[Micho22]

If Katsuyu manages to protect him, he might survive, but it's debatable whether that'd even be possible. In order to do that, this is what'd happen:

The Chibaku Tensei starts pulling them close.

• Neither has any info on the jutsu, so first theyðd have to come up with the plan
• Then Tsunade would summon Katsuyu
• Katsuyu would split herself up
• Katsuyu would go to Jiraiya and surround him
• Tsunade would transfer her chakra to Jiraiya
• Jiraiya would charge up a large enough Rasengan to take out the core

Looking at this, it's pretty much impossible. Especially since they have no knowledge on the technique.

Not to mention the fact that if they do it, they'd have to waste a buttload of chakra, and then they'd still have to fight things like the Gedo, and the rest of Pain's jutsu.

Tsunade can summon Katsuyu right from the start and give jiraiya a little version of katsuyu on his shoulder like she did it to naruto and the most villian
Im still going with the two sannin because the manga clearly says and means so pain said that if jiraiya had intel on him he woud have defeated him we have it black on white and pain dosnt said this because he was his sensei he meant it so
Plus he has Tsunade in his side with instant regeneration with no handseals like hashirama pure power wich beats raikages power and katsuyu

 

[ItachiStyle]

Katsuyu has not demonstrated anything like the protective powers people are granting her. She was able to help shield a bunch of people (some of whom died) from a blast, but she was nowhere near the epicenter of that blast (and many of her split up parts were also probably shielded by other obstacles which buffeted some of the blast... like houses and walls). If she was, I imagine she'd have been vaporised. Pain was hundreds of feet in the air when he used that tech... from 30-100 feet they'll all be getting taken out in one shot regardless of what they do. Here she'd be right next to a huge explosion of techs, which would undoubtedly kill her portions plus Jiraiya... if Katsuyu needs to dodge a frickin knife, there's no way she's surviving this.

 

[Micho22]

Lots of people say stuff in the manga that is wrong. Remember how Haku's jutsu had "never been stopped" before? But in most cases, it's easy to work around the ridiculous remark. Nagato was making a gesture to his former teachers skill, and saying something nice about him. I doubt he meant it literally... and if he did, maybe that was because Jiraiya wouldn't have fought head on, but carefully snuck up on Nagato and beaten him with trickery (or genjutsu or some such). I don't think, based on what we saw God pain do, that we can seriously assume he meant Jiraiya could have taken him one on 6 in a legit fight.

I think he said it clearly and he meant it so
But i think that you are right he woud have won with a good tactic

 

[Edo Odin]

Tsunade can summon Katsuyu right from the start and give jiraiya a little version of katsuyu on his shoulder like she did it to naruto and the most villian
Im still going with the two sannin because the manga clearly says and means so pain said that if jiraiya had intel on him he woud have defeated him we have it black on white and pain dosnt said this because he was his sensei he meant it so
Plus he has Tsunade in his side with instant regeneration with no handseals like hashirama pure power wich beats raikages power and katsuyu

A Katsuyu like that wouldn't do anything at all, if the Katsuyu were to protect him, it'd have to be one of the larger ones that protected the civilians against the Chou Shinra Tensei.

And sure, feel free to think what you will, but the fact that no one has yet come up with an effective counter to the Gedo or the Chibaku, I'll keep on considering Pain to be the victor.