Tsunade is definitely NOT the WEAKEST hokage....... she owns everyone except HASHI

[spike2068]

I THINK YOU NEED TO READ MY THREAD, especially when katsuyu comes to play

read it still dont see how she tracks minato. while she is busy trying to destroy his kunai he speed blitzes from another postion to take her out one way or another. she has no counter for minatos speed and she is def not as fast as A

 

[zesto]

Yet during the senju clans dominance, A memeber of the sarutobi clan was chosen above other senju's for hokage

well thats true, but we dont know exactly what happen to all of them, plus you have to take record that, that sarutobi that was chosen was trained by 2 senjus

 

[spike2068]

minato speed blitzes

 

[donut1939]

wow well this grew fast =P the main point with minato against Tsunade would be reflex pretty much. Even if tsunade is stronger and her reflexes/attacks fast that's not enough to hit him. Considering how fast A is and how much trouble he had hitting Minato it would be incredibly difficult/impossible for tsunade to hit b/c she just simply wouldn't be fast enough. A uses lightning armor to enhance himself and his reflexes/speed in combat are essentially slower than Minato's, who isn't using anything to enhance his reflexes, and his speed is really his FTG mostly (I'm aware its not a physical thing but when used in practice it's pretty much instant teleport, hence why in combat I feel Kamui<FTG if the user is skilled, but that's another story). I can't remember if it was in the manga or not but in the anime Tsunade and A do have challenges (like the arm wrestling match ) against each other and it shows that she's several classes below A, who is slightly slower than Minato. So on a linear speed scale its Minato>A>.........>Tsunade>others (excluding Bijuu naruto). To wrap it all up, Minato is essentially just too fast even if he doesn't the same amount of firepower (that we've seen). He has enough to defeat her, simply force her to activate yin chakra release he uses what equates to perfect evasion until it wears off then land one or many lethal strikes. Stamina battle except Minato never gets hit =/ and the last part about the Sannin, that was just for fun =)

I know I'm going to hear that he has low chakra, and to be frank it's not true, especially vs a single person and he has no one to protect. When he was panting remember what he had done. He had summoned Gamabunta, negated a tbb, FTGed Kurama a good distance from the village, fought Obito, prepared an alter/reaper death seal, been holding Kushina's seal intact through childbirth, and etc. (list is getting too long till he starts panting). Lastly remember FTG uses chakra based on distance and size, and in an actual shinobi battle he would realistically only be FTGing himself short distances...so no chakra issues. (not necessarily for you zesto but I'm tired of hearing he's a low chakra ninja, b/c frankly it's just not true)

 

[zesto]

your thread isn't evidence.....we didn't see what Tobirama was capable of

all we saw was an edo with 1/3 of his power and some unknown ST slash....that's it

No she didn't.....I'd call it a draw since there was no clear winner. Plus when he stabbed her and when Kabuto stabbed her, they didn't aim to kill......they wanted to wound her and capture her so they could force her to heal his arms.

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If they wanted to kill her, they would have already.

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anime isn't manga.....anime adds things and moves that didn't happen in the manga, like Kakashi having fire style.

and again you're wrong on the rinnegan sight thing.....by the time her slug tells her which direction Minato is coming from, she would be hit.....FTG is instant, a slug can't predict and then tell the direction of the attack in that instant

Even if she did, Tsunade wouldn't be fast enough to react.....Obito is shown to have one of the fastest reflexes in Naruto and he wasn't even fast enough to dodge Minato.

your right i agree on the fact that they didn't want to kill Tsunade at first but they when they saw that it became futile they had no choice and had to go by any means necessary
your still misunderstanding the link ability,the slug picks up vibrations bro, it scatters all around the battlefield bro we both saw how fast she knew that kakashi was defeated, then when fused on her shoulder thats like another katsuyu clone along with the thousands......, if 1 of the mini slugs knows it direction its evidently clear the one which fuses with Tsunade officially knows this as well, and the fact that they have synchronized Tsunade knows this as well
your ASSUMING THAT TSUNADE CANT LAND A HIT AND I'M INDICATING THAT SHE WILL LAND A BLOW WITH MANGA EVIDENCE, SO WHO IS WRONG FROM RIGHT HUH? FTG immediateness is one thing but instant telepathy is another

 

[Lightbringer]

your right i agree on the fact that they didn't want to kill Tsunade at first but they when they saw that it became futile they had no choice and had to go by any means necessary
your still misunderstanding the link ability,the slug picks up vibrations bro, it scatters all around the battlefield bro we both saw how fast she knew that kakashi was defeated, then when fused on her shoulder thats like another katsuyu clone along with the thousands......, if 1 of the mini slugs knows it direction its evidently clear the one which fuses with Tsunade officially knows this as well, and the fact that they have synchronized Tsunade knows this as well
your ASSUMING THAT TSUNADE CANT LAND A HIT AND I'M INDICATING THAT SHE WILL LAND A BLOW WITH MANGA EVIDENCE, SO WHO IS WRONG FROM RIGHT HUH? FTG immediateness is one thing but instant telepathy is another

So you're saying you have manga evidence that shows Tsunade being able to hit Minato?

Instant telepathy is only as fast as the mind.....can Tsunade or a Slug think faster than the speed of light? nope....so it doesn't matter how instant their communication is, they won't have the time to react to him instantly popping up with a split second attack

Tsunade reacting to FTG is comparable to her reacting to Madara's Surprise attack.....which she failed at

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As I've said, Obito is shown to have one of the fastest reflexes in the manga, yet he couldn't keep up with Minato.....

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Tsunade has a hard time not getting hit with attacks

Minato dodged A.....who moves at lightning speed......he's going to dodge Tsunade

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[Fire Lord Azula]

So many neg reps I see. Lol
Ot nice thread

 

[abcdefgh]

I don't agree with you, at all.
Tell me how Tsunade would have done against Obito and Kurama.
Or tell me how Tsunade would have done against Orochimaru, as well as Edo Hashirama and Tobirama (even though they were weakened).

 

[zesto]

wow well this grew fast =P the main point with minato against Tsunade would be reflex pretty much. Even if tsunade is stronger and her reflexes/attacks fast that's not enough to hit him. Considering how fast A is and how much trouble he had hitting Minato it would be incredibly difficult/impossible for tsunade to hit b/c she just simply wouldn't be fast enough. A uses lightning armor to enhance himself and his reflexes/speed in combat are essentially slower than Minato's, who isn't using anything to enhance his reflexes, and his speed is really his FTG mostly (I'm aware its not a physical thing but when used in practice it's pretty much instant teleport, hence why in combat I feel Kamui<FTG if the user is skilled, but that's another story). I can't remember if it was in the manga or not but in the anime Tsunade and A do have challenges (like the arm wrestling match ) against each other and it shows that she's several classes below A, who is slightly slower than Minato. So on a linear speed scale its Minato>A>.........>Tsunade>others (excluding Bijuu naruto). To wrap it all up, Minato is essentially just too fast even if he doesn't the same amount of firepower (that we've seen). He has enough to defeat her, simply force her to activate yin chakra release he uses what equates to perfect evasion until it wears off then land one or many lethal strikes. Stamina battle except Minato never gets hit =/ and the last part about the Sannin, that was just for fun =)

I know I'm going to hear that he has low chakra, and to be frank it's not true, especially vs a single person and he has no one to protect. When he was panting remember what he had done. He had summoned Gamabunta, negated a tbb, FTGed Kurama a good distance from the village, fought Obito, prepared an alter/reaper death seal, been holding Kushina's seal intact through childbirth, and etc. (list is getting too long till he starts panting). Lastly remember FTG uses chakra based on distance and size, and in an actual shinobi battle he would realistically only be FTGing himself short distances...so no chakra issues. (not necessarily for you zesto but I'm tired of hearing he's a low chakra ninja, b/c frankly it's just not true)

Am i suppose to be impressed?
even if Minato's stamina is better than Kakashi's he's no where near Tsunade's stamina....... bro you dont want me to list all of that now it would take up an entire post
2 feats from Tsunade which completely kills Minato's stamina feats are the fact that she MADE ONOKI'S DUST POWER MEGA BIG AND MAINTAIN Byakugou after that to tank another ultra large katon Tsunade was healing kages before and during the fight while fighting and even when being restored by Dan a little she can still heal everyone and summon GIANT SLUG...
i didn't even put in the entire Pein arc with her stamina glories, so by now even if Minato has sufficient energy he still losses to Tsunade.......

Ok i heard you said placed seal on Tsunade, people if he does that he's done for, thats the biggest mistake he could ever do, if a person who possess a contract seal is incorporated with FTG MARK THEY CAN SIMPLY PORT BACK TO THE USER didn't shikamaru's dad told everyone this, you and others are so quick to bash Tsunade and pettifog to unnecessary things without realizing the right thing.......(a contract seal is a summoning seal/reverse summoning)
The fact that Katsuyu fused with her master and can relay info in an instant indicates that if the seal is place on her she will know immediately, because of the chackra flowing in her body eccentrically....... i think i have made myself clear using manga scans, that no Minato fan can go around.........slug on her shoulder and Master becomes one when she absorbs Tsunade's chackra{fuses} the thousands of minis scatter all over the place are just sensors to record his vibratory pattern, if Minato use clones that only makes things worse on his reserves...... in essence seriously guys he just cant beat Tsunade, he can damage her badly, and she regenerates, he could used an unknown seal on her so can Tsunade being Mito's descendant, and ll that still aint good enough period, he needs something than rasengan its just the truth..................

 

[Rainbow Dash]

its your mind telling you that those people will win over Tsunade, i wont go into precise details but i can cover the top for you
Mu isn't a problem for Tsunade at ground level.... if he moves when being invisible there is a slight appearance of him, which means movements reduces his invincibility... Tsunade can make him move no doubt because her earthquakes will cause a lot of trouble for him to avoid, thats one thing for sure, so she will see him without the need of katsuyu, if the slug intervenes however, she can simple sense his vibrations on the ground and alert Tsunade simple as that......... Jinton issue, manga and databook made it clear she survives so even if you laugh at me, your being stupid because this is not my opinion its what the creators and editors stated, and i really dont give a damn trying to convince anybody, but if you still want to play blind and be a dumb ass thats fine with me, no one can go around kishi facts............
Now the only problem his is flying, but pretty soon she could force him into close range, combat leading to Mu's defeat... she can use her slug for far range attacks so Tsunade isn't limited in battle offensively at all

EI'S dad the only thing i will say to cut this short, the reason why Tsunade will win this guy, isn't because of her punches but because she's a medical ninja which can dislocated muscles and organs from working (cause internal damages/bleeding) and render most of his attacks useless, she can also immobilize him, with her scalpel for him to re-think using hell stab with his other hand, but more importantly, she has a summon, something EI'S dad dont acquire, so Tsunade will have katsuyu to buy her time and plan her next attack........


Pertatining to yagura this is out of the question, if your thinking TBB, manga states she survives that too, and even if you call me a reatrd and laugh and say GTFO, Tsunade is known as the strongest kunochi, there are 2 JINJURIKI TAILED BEAST WOMAN AMONG THE MEN, WHICH MEANS IF TSUNADE GOES 1ON 1 WITH ANYONE OF THEM SHE WINS, DESPITE BIJUU MODE OR KM MODE from Fu or Yugito.....

so yea Tsunade>Yagura too, i may not know that kid full potential but right now i dont want to go too much in-depth but instead give you a basic idea of what is going on

First things first, you said it yourself on ground isn't a problem. But what's to stop Muu from flying? NOTHING

I don't laugh at you for saying she can tank jinton. But I still think you have a small misconception. I agree that Tsunade can tank Jinton, but only ONCE. It's even stated that Byakugou takes up a lot of chakra just from tanking katon. Sure maybe she can tank Jinton once, but another Jinton isn't a problem from Muu.

The Third Raikage cannot be killed by Tsunade. The only thing Tsunade has that can even scratch A's dad is Katsuyu's Acid. But there is a problem... Everyone of Tsunades attacks are slow as a slug, literally. Katsuyu is an actual slug and is slower than a fat kid. Tsunade has shown ok speed feats, but clearly not on the level of the Third Raikage. If Naruto in KM had a hard time hitting A's dad, then Tsunade can't even land one blow, let alone touch him.

Yagura's Bijuu Bombs erase Katsuyu. Tsunades punches can't hurt BM cloaks. Tsunade cannot screw up Yagura's muscle movements because the anatomy of a Bijuu is different. Tsunades punches will just be redirected to her face with water mirror.

 

[zesto]

So you're saying you have manga evidence that shows Tsunade being able to hit Minato?

Instant telepathy is only as fast as the mind.....can Tsunade or a Slug think faster than the speed of light? nope....so it doesn't matter how instant their communication is, they won't have the time to react to him instantly popping up with a split second attack

your mind moves faster than the speed of light, i thought you knew that

Tsunade reacting to FTG is comparable to her reacting to Madara's Surprise attack.....which she failed at

she didn't know it was a clone bro, YOUR POINT? everyone was fooled and shock, you heard the man only he could saw through Hashirama's wood clones because of his sharigan, they all that they sealed him, so your post isn't relevant

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As I've said, Obito is shown to have one of the fastest reflexes in the manga, yet he couldn't keep up with Minato.....

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Tsunade has a hard time not getting hit with attacks

Minato dodged A.....who moves at lightning speed......he's going to dodge Tsunade

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if you were paying attention he simply ported to that knife.... thats all, acid slime melts knives take that into consideration and CTS bury them away, i have explained what happens when seals has place on her, especially when her slug has been summoned already....

 

[donut1939]

No not impressed. The battle would end up being something like madara vs hashi, except hashi can't madara at all. Madara would win that fight simply from hashi not being able to hit him. (Now to actually apply this). Basically she has no counter, for your slug argument, the problem is minato was a master of chakra manipulation and had the ability to mimic and give chakra to other people, so no Tsunade's slug can't sense it, and even if she did have a location, she doesn't have the reaction time to counter. That pretty much does it. Regardless of how much she has in her chakra tank, she can't take hit after hit, lose limb after limb, and honestly expect to continue to fight. I mean hell Naruto might as well be Monty Python by the time Minato would be through with her.

 

[Lightbringer]

your mind moves faster than the speed of light, i thought you knew that

no shit, but your mind still can't react to it.....if our minds could react to something that fast, we would be able to dodge bullets

she didn't know it was a clone bro, YOUR POINT? everyone was fooled and shock, you heard the man only he could saw through Hashirama's wood clones because of his sharigan, they all that they sealed him, so your post isn't relevant

you missed the point completely.....she has poor reaction time. Minato's FTG is just as unpredictable as that surprise attack by Madara.

if you were paying attention he simply ported to that knife.... thats all, acid slime melts knives take that into consideration and CTS bury them away, i have explained what happens when seals has place on her, especially when her slug has been summoned already....

porting to the knife still shows his reflexes, he managed to port right before getting hit by someone who moves as fast as lighting

Tsunade is pretty slow, he won't have a problem outmaneuver her

Slug....well Minato summons toad....gg

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Here is where the databook stands.

Old Hiruzen > pt 1 Kakashi = pt 1 kabuto > Tsunade

Need I say more?

 

[zesto]

No not impressed. The battle would end up being something like madara vs hashi, except hashi can't madara at all. Madara would win that fight simply from hashi not being able to hit him. (Now to actually apply this). Basically she has no counter, for your slug argument, the problem is minato was a master of chakra manipulation and had the ability to mimic and give chakra to other people, so no Tsunade's slug can't sense it, and even if she did have a location, she doesn't have the reaction time to counter. That pretty much does it. Regardless of how much she has in her chakra tank, she can't take hit after hit, lose limb after limb, and honestly expect to continue to fight. I mean hell Naruto might as well be Monty Python by the time Minato would be through with her.

your talking as if Minato wont suffer repercussions after landing few blows, he will tire faster than Tsunade which will SLOW HIS MOVEMENTS, i dont remember Minato Mimicking and loaning chackra to people but i'd like if you can find a scan as to this

 

[FourthLegacy]

Tsunade is very strong but not in second in place of Hokages.

She was a second option brooo.

 

[FourthLegacy]

your talking as if Minato wont suffer repercussions after landing few blows, he will tire faster than Tsunade which will SLOW HIS MOVEMENTS, i dont remember Minato Mimicking and loaning chackra to people but i'd like if you can find a scan as to this

Yes he can loan chakra, The kyuubi has said so..

o3o
somewhere in 610-now.
not gonna search.

Minato does not use a lot of chakra in Rasengan/FTG.
So no he would not need a lot of chakra to beat Tsunade.

 

[zesto]

Yes he can loan chakra, The kyuubi has said so..

o3o
somewhere in 610-now.
not gonna search.

Minato does not use a lot of chakra in Rasengan/FTG.
So no he would not need a lot of chakra to beat Tsunade.

OK i see where he can loan chackra but not mimic, so the other guy is just adding a power boost, it still doesn't change the fact

 

[donut1939]

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For Minato's ability to pass chakra, the Kyuubi directly states that it is the fourth's technique but naruto can do it on a bigger scale. It is stated earlier that to pass that chakra on you have to match it to each individual person, which is why it's a considerable feat

also as far as him slowing down, not really. He cut a Hachibi tail without a sweat, and the human body is far easier to penetrate than a tailed beast. Ergo it would be logical that even if Tsunade could regenerate wounds/slashes/cuts etc, it wouldn't be hard for him to lop off a limb or or something.

 

[KingHashirama]

tied with Minato.